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Well, I've very carefully searched my (signed by Freddy) copy of the book and it only mentions delays caused by 10cc messing with the sound system(s) to implicity get the coveted sunset slot.
There's no substantive account of why there was a long delay after 10cc had finally gone off and The Rolling Stones starting their performance.
It does mention that when The Rolling Stones were ready to appear that Mick demanded (reasonably) that all the hangers on had to be cleared off the stage. He did make an exception for Paul & Linda McCartney.
No hint of an account of rogue, or otherwise, roadies chopping cables or similar. Nor even of Keith being so wasted that he could not appear.
Can anyone here tell the real tale behind the long gap, and provide me a pointer to proof. (Believe me, I've hunted hard!)
While you're waiting, enjoy this little article I found. [www.theguardian.com]
Captain Corella
Yeah that famous Kiel show ..
My friend was there travelling from Sweden, the lights went dark at 2.30 am in the morning and suddenly two cigarettes were gleaming in the dark.... And then ba ba ba... Honky Tonk Women starts....
Yes.
As AC/DC did in Toronto Sars festival 2003.
Good lord, enough already.
I was and AC/DC was definitely the highlight of the day. They did a raging set and then the Stones kept the crowd of a half million waiting, in the dark, for an hour. Killed the energy of the whole day with the unnecessary wait and then turned in a lackluster set culminating in a guest appearance by Justin Timberlake. It was the only Stones show I ever left half way through.
Too bad you missed the Young brothers onstage rocking out with The Stones.
I agree with AC/DC being the band of that day but...
Isn't this a thread about Knebworth?
Yes.
Can anyone here tell the real tale behind the long gap, and provide me a pointer to proof. (Believe me, I've hunted hard!)
Captain Corella
"How important?" Very.
We're being historians here. Getting the history of events right is important. There's a version of what happened that night that is unpleasant. If it's false (some sort of Urban Legend), then it's important to seek to set the record straight. Sadly, if it's true, then we need to acknowledge it.
So, again.. can anyone point me to a reliable account of what caused the long gap between 10cc and The Rolling Stones? (Not, I stress, the delayed start of 10cc, but the gap after they finished.)
Captain Corella
Missed this thread, been on holiday... so a bit late to the party
I was there . It was the longest, toughest day of this then 16 year old's life...and I was a big Skynyrd fan.
They were great, but they did not outperform the Stones.
By the time the time the Stones hit the stage I was dead on my feet...
...but the adrenaline fired me up and, as ever, it was the Stones buzz that dragged my weary legs back to Stevenage station for a kip on a luggage trolley.
[comfiest bed I've ever slept on ]
This. I was 16 too but got to sleep in a tent. Stevenage in the morning.....
How was Todd Rundgren?
It has been, since the 90s comeback I guess, but you cannot underestimate the hatred for the Stones from English rock hacks from the mid 70s till the 90s. The poor darlings had it bad to the point of unhealthy obsession. As a fan, I hated the hacks and their sloppy, pretentious and indulgent writing style even more.
The New Musical Express gave a particularly scathing review of the Stones' show at the Shepherds Bush Empire in 1999.
In regard to the tide-turning and the almost universal fawning the Stones now receive, this started a few years later, around the time of the Licks Tour and their fortieth anniversary. They're everyone's favourite grandparents' now, apparently.
Pretty much!
That NME review was brutal, though. I read it online, about a decade ago; but now I can't find it.
Skynyrd were great but it's a PR myth perpetuated by the band themselves that they blew the Stones off stage. Think about it - how could anyone blow the Stones off the stage at this point in their career.
Sloppy Stones with their incredible legacy of hits were already absolute legends. Those who perpetrate the Skynyrd 'blowing the Stones off stage' myth do it to create a talking point and to court controversy. I was there to witness it.
The fact that the Stones played a unique set that included 8 songs that had not been played on either their 75 Tour Of The Americas or their European jaunt in Spring was stunning enough. Then there was the fact that it was an open air concert with many people being left stranded because of their late arrival - what were they going to do? Not enjoy such a unique experience.
Exactly. Bang on the money there Doxa.
A silly idea. The Stones were the main attraction, LS a warmup band whose music was unknown to 90% of the audience. The audience was simply indifferent to the band. The reaction to the Stones was ecstatic. And yes, I was there.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
SweetThing
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Date: July 10, 2012 00:32
Not being there, but I don't doubt, LS, (or The Who, or AC DC etc) "blew the Stones off the Stage" any given night. Why wouldn't they (or someone else) have done this? It only stands to reason.
Jagger, and I think even Richards although I can't be sure, have long acknowledged the "World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band" bit was promotion in their minds (at least in terms of being the "best" every night).
In the end, the Stones are long distance runners, and come out on top in simply an overwhelming number of (measurable) categories for anyone so inclined to take objective measure.
Fans and critics are going to often enough prefer others for whatever their reasons. Put it this way... this story at Knebworth is a real highlight in LS history, and not much more than a footnote in Stones history.
Jagger, and I think even Richards although I can't be sure, have long acknowledged the "World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band" bit was promotion in their minds (at least in terms of being the "best" every night).
In the end, the Stones are long distance runners, and come out on top in simply an overwhelming number of (measurable) categories for anyone so inclined to take objective measure.
Fans and critics are going to often enough prefer others for whatever their reasons. Put it this way... this story at Knebworth is a real highlight in LS history, and not much more than a footnote in Stones history.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
CaptainCorella
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Date: August 29, 2024 13:58
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Wendy
The 1976 Rolling Stones Knebworth commemorative set includes for the next two weeks only the Knebworth 1976 festival T shirt. All the items, including the 6 CDs and 3 DVDs the set includes can be viewed on the following page
[www.rockmusicmemorabilia.com]
And the book written by the promoter (inc with the set) tells you the real reason they were so late on stage!
Well, I've very carefully searched my (signed by Freddy) copy of the book and it only mentions delays caused by 10cc messing with the sound system(s) to implicity get the coveted sunset slot.
There's no substantive account of why there was a long delay after 10cc had finally gone off and The Rolling Stones starting their performance.
It does mention that when The Rolling Stones were ready to appear that Mick demanded (reasonably) that all the hangers on had to be cleared off the stage. He did make an exception for Paul & Linda McCartney.
No hint of an account of rogue, or otherwise, roadies chopping cables or similar. Nor even of Keith being so wasted that he could not appear.
Can anyone here tell the real tale behind the long gap, and provide me a pointer to proof. (Believe me, I've hunted hard!)
While you're waiting, enjoy this little article I found. [www.theguardian.com]
Captain Corella
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: August 29, 2024 14:23
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CousinCQuote
Naturalust
Drugs were likely involved in ANY event the Stones performed at in the 70's and 80's. "Over refreshed"? I can't even begin to get a visual of that one. Dead drunk maybe, probably just waiting for Freddie Sessler to show up with the coke....
What complete @#$%& for sabotaging another act to cover themselves. I wonder who's idea that was? A low point for this band.
I think Keith was kinda overdosed on smack. I was on part of the 76 tour and things like that happened a few times. Either too much or the stuff hadn't arrived, which could be even worse. I remember that at the beginning of the tour in the north of Germany.
After the off. tour I was in London when Knebworth happened. Couldn't make it to the gig but heard a lot about it later from people I knew.
You have to consider that Knebworth was very important to the Stones.
Their London Earls Court shows have had very bad reviews mainly because of bad sound and in those days the London gigs were the most important of a tour.
So the Stones were under pressure! They needed a good gig and especially good critics!
While they had done some rehearsing they still came out of a post-tour break and then keith was in a very bad shape. They tried to get more coke to make him wake up but somehow it all went wrong because of traffic, etc.
So the only option was to provide a break. And as it was more of a festival, things like these happened quite often in the 60/70's. Talk about competition . .
Yeah that famous Kiel show ..
My friend was there travelling from Sweden, the lights went dark at 2.30 am in the morning and suddenly two cigarettes were gleaming in the dark.... And then ba ba ba... Honky Tonk Women starts....
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Zotz
()
Date: August 29, 2024 17:50
Supposedly at Knebworth, Keith and Billy had a punch out backstage before the concert, something about Billy playing too loud and Mick had been drinking one too many before going on stage.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
powerage78
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Date: August 29, 2024 17:56
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ChrisG
Also Lynryd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage.
Yes.
As AC/DC did in Toronto Sars festival 2003.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Kurt
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Date: August 29, 2024 18:41
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powerage78Quote
ChrisG
Also Lynryd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage.
Yes.
As AC/DC did in Toronto Sars festival 2003.
Good lord, enough already.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
rbk
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Date: August 29, 2024 19:44
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Hairball
Many people claim ACDC 'blew the Stones off the stage' at the SARS benefit.
I'm not a huge ACDC fan in the first place, but even if I was, I find this hard to believe.
Was anybody here at SARS who can chime in regarding this myth?
I was and AC/DC was definitely the highlight of the day. They did a raging set and then the Stones kept the crowd of a half million waiting, in the dark, for an hour. Killed the energy of the whole day with the unnecessary wait and then turned in a lackluster set culminating in a guest appearance by Justin Timberlake. It was the only Stones show I ever left half way through.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Kurt
()
Date: August 29, 2024 19:56
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rbkQuote
Hairball
Many people claim ACDC 'blew the Stones off the stage' at the SARS benefit.
I'm not a huge ACDC fan in the first place, but even if I was, I find this hard to believe.
Was anybody here at SARS who can chime in regarding this myth?
I was and AC/DC was definitely the highlight of the day. They did a raging set and then the Stones kept the crowd of a half million waiting, in the dark, for an hour. Killed the energy of the whole day with the unnecessary wait and then turned in a lackluster set culminating in a guest appearance by Justin Timberlake. It was the only Stones show I ever left half way through.
Too bad you missed the Young brothers onstage rocking out with The Stones.
I agree with AC/DC being the band of that day but...
Isn't this a thread about Knebworth?
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
CaptainCorella
()
Date: August 29, 2024 22:15
Quote
Kurt
Isn't this a thread about Knebworth?
Yes.
Can anyone here tell the real tale behind the long gap, and provide me a pointer to proof. (Believe me, I've hunted hard!)
Captain Corella
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: August 29, 2024 23:16
Sorry Kurt 
But one truth (or two) is always worth remembering.
Back to Knebworth.
But one truth (or two) is always worth remembering.
Back to Knebworth.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
astmalia
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Date: August 30, 2024 10:35
How important must The Rolling Stones be that for nearly half a century there are still discussions as to why their performance started a few hours late.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
CaptainCorella
()
Date: August 30, 2024 13:39
Quote
astmalia
How important must The Rolling Stones be that for nearly half a century there are still discussions as to why their performance started a few hours late.
"How important?" Very.
We're being historians here. Getting the history of events right is important. There's a version of what happened that night that is unpleasant. If it's false (some sort of Urban Legend), then it's important to seek to set the record straight. Sadly, if it's true, then we need to acknowledge it.
So, again.. can anyone point me to a reliable account of what caused the long gap between 10cc and The Rolling Stones? (Not, I stress, the delayed start of 10cc, but the gap after they finished.)
Captain Corella
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: September 2, 2024 10:01
Quote
KurtQuote
powerage78Quote
ChrisG
Also Lynryd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage.
Yes.
As AC/DC did in Toronto Sars festival 2003.
Good lord, enough already.
Missed this thread, been on holiday... so a bit late to the party
I was there . It was the longest, toughest day of this then 16 year old's life...and I was a big Skynyrd fan.
They were great, but they did not outperform the Stones.
By the time the time the Stones hit the stage I was dead on my feet...
...but the adrenaline fired me up and, as ever, it was the Stones buzz that dragged my weary legs back to Stevenage station for a kip on a luggage trolley.
[comfiest bed I've ever slept on ]
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
EddieByword
()
Date: September 2, 2024 10:07
Quote
SpudQuote
KurtQuote
powerage78Quote
ChrisG
Also Lynryd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage.
Yes.
As AC/DC did in Toronto Sars festival 2003.
Good lord, enough already.
Missed this thread, been on holiday... so a bit late to the party
I was there . It was the longest, toughest day of this then 16 year old's life...and I was a big Skynyrd fan.
They were great, but they did not outperform the Stones.
By the time the time the Stones hit the stage I was dead on my feet...
...but the adrenaline fired me up and, as ever, it was the Stones buzz that dragged my weary legs back to Stevenage station for a kip on a luggage trolley.
[comfiest bed I've ever slept on ]
This. I was 16 too but got to sleep in a tent. Stevenage in the morning.....
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: September 2, 2024 11:30
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
exhpart
()
Date: September 2, 2024 12:42
I was there. LS were good and must have been a tough gig for them - middle of the afternoon with 250,000 people waiting for the Stones. 10cc as I remember were a bore. Stones on around 11.30 and finished up at 2 in the morning. They were great and its been a great story for me for 48 years. I definitely wouldn't say Skynyrd blew them off their own stage.
P.S. isn't there some audio of Mick to Keith "wake up Keith it's not a dream this is real"?
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P.S. isn't there some audio of Mick to Keith "wake up Keith it's not a dream this is real"?
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Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 2, 2024 13:17
Quote
exhpart
I was there. LS were good and must have been a tough gig for them - middle of the afternoon with 250,000 people waiting for the Stones. 10cc as I remember were a bore. Stones on around 11.30 and finished up at 2 in the morning. They were great and its been a great story for me for 48 years. I definitely wouldn't say Skynyrd blew them off their own stage.
P.S. isn't there some audio of Mick to Keith "wake up Keith it's not a dream this is real"?
How was Todd Rundgren?
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: September 2, 2024 13:22
I have always taken the story of "Lynyrd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage" just a fabrication of English rock journalism to bash the Stones. The big and bad Stones were during the 70's an easy and obvious target to show one's credentials as a serious, critical rock journalist... Surely an uprising new and hot band blowing off the degenerated old semi-gods is a cool, romantic story. Of course, stories like that will spread, be repeated and make history books. So those will be seen as some sort of facts in people's mind. Most likely - as pointed here - the actual experience of many people who actually were there is pretty different.
- Doxa
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- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-02 15:41 by Doxa.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: September 2, 2024 15:12
Tempting to adapt the story when you're a Stones fan... Here, no doubt about it, LS hasn't forgotten the Stones. Not sure that's enough.
As for the rock press, it has calmed down over the last 30 years at the very least. It is totally and utterly complacent with the Stones.
As for the rock press, it has calmed down over the last 30 years at the very least. It is totally and utterly complacent with the Stones.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Tumlin73
()
Date: September 2, 2024 15:30
I was at Knebworth and it’s one of my favourite concerts ever. Boiling hot weekend, found £20 note on the floor and ended up spraining my ankle.
I managed to make my way to the front halfway through the Stones concert and to me it seemed satanic and evil in a music/concert kind of way.
I believe it was the Stones longest show UK concert, and nobody blew the Stones off that day.
I managed to make my way to the front halfway through the Stones concert and to me it seemed satanic and evil in a music/concert kind of way.
I believe it was the Stones longest show UK concert, and nobody blew the Stones off that day.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
MadMetaphoricalMax
()
Date: September 2, 2024 15:41
Quote
powerage78
Tempting to adapt the story when you're a Stones fan... Here, no doubt about it, LS hasn't forgotten the Stones. Not sure that's enough.
As for the rock press, it has calmed down over the last 30 years at the very least. It is totally and utterly complacent with the Stones.
It has been, since the 90s comeback I guess, but you cannot underestimate the hatred for the Stones from English rock hacks from the mid 70s till the 90s. The poor darlings had it bad to the point of unhealthy obsession. As a fan, I hated the hacks and their sloppy, pretentious and indulgent writing style even more.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: September 2, 2024 15:48
You're right and I'm not saying otherwise.
I can't remember a negative review of a Stones concert in 30 years, even when Keith or Ronnie were bad. And never a word about the evolution of Keih's playing quality (taboo subject). And I'm not even talking about the interviews...
I can't remember a negative review of a Stones concert in 30 years, even when Keith or Ronnie were bad. And never a word about the evolution of Keih's playing quality (taboo subject). And I'm not even talking about the interviews...
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
exhpart
()
Date: September 2, 2024 16:07
Todd Rundgren was shit. But Hot Tuna fantastic. Don Harrison Band even better
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-02 17:01 by exhpart.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: September 2, 2024 16:20
Quote
MadMetaphoricalMaxQuote
powerage78
Tempting to adapt the story when you're a Stones fan... Here, no doubt about it, LS hasn't forgotten the Stones. Not sure that's enough.
As for the rock press, it has calmed down over the last 30 years at the very least. It is totally and utterly complacent with the Stones.
It has been, since the 90s comeback I guess, but you cannot underestimate the hatred for the Stones from English rock hacks from the mid 70s till the 90s. The poor darlings had it bad to the point of unhealthy obsession. As a fan, I hated the hacks and their sloppy, pretentious and indulgent writing style even more.
The New Musical Express gave a particularly scathing review of the Stones' show at the Shepherds Bush Empire in 1999.
In regard to the tide-turning and the almost universal fawning the Stones now receive, this started a few years later, around the time of the Licks Tour and their fortieth anniversary. They're everyone's favourite grandparents' now, apparently.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: September 2, 2024 16:30
One bad review so...
Stones : untouchable, worldly, chic.
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Stones : untouchable, worldly, chic.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-02 16:36 by powerage78.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: September 2, 2024 16:32
Quote
powerage78
One bad review so...
Untouchable, worldly, chic.
Pretty much!
That NME review was brutal, though. I read it online, about a decade ago; but now I can't find it.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 2, 2024 18:08
Quote
DaveG
According to LYNRD SKYNRD, they "blew the Stones off the stage". Would anyone who was there offer an opinion? (Probably this has been rehashed many times here)
Skynyrd were great but it's a PR myth perpetuated by the band themselves that they blew the Stones off stage. Think about it - how could anyone blow the Stones off the stage at this point in their career.
Sloppy Stones with their incredible legacy of hits were already absolute legends. Those who perpetrate the Skynyrd 'blowing the Stones off stage' myth do it to create a talking point and to court controversy. I was there to witness it.
The fact that the Stones played a unique set that included 8 songs that had not been played on either their 75 Tour Of The Americas or their European jaunt in Spring was stunning enough. Then there was the fact that it was an open air concert with many people being left stranded because of their late arrival - what were they going to do? Not enjoy such a unique experience.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 2, 2024 18:15
Quote
Doxa
I have always taken the story of "Lynyrd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage" just a fabrication of English rock journalism to bash the Stones. The big and bad Stones were during the 70's an easy and obvious target to show one's credentials as a serious, critical rock journalist... Surely an uprising new and hot band blowing off the degenerated old semi-gods is a cool, romantic story. Of course, stories like that will spread, be repeated and make history books. So those will be seen as some sort of facts in people's mind. Most likely - as pointed here - the actual experience of many people who actually were there is pretty different.
- Doxa
Exactly. Bang on the money there Doxa.
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 2, 2024 18:17
Also there was a very unusual Keith guitar heavy mix if you were stood slightly to the right. I recorded the show and you can hear some of it on mash up of the available recordings - [iorr.org]
Re: Knebworth - the real reason they were late
Posted by:
walkingthedog
()
Date: September 2, 2024 22:41
Quote
ChrisG
Also Lynryd Skynyrd blew the Stones off their own stage.
A silly idea. The Stones were the main attraction, LS a warmup band whose music was unknown to 90% of the audience. The audience was simply indifferent to the band. The reaction to the Stones was ecstatic. And yes, I was there.
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