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otonneau
Sad sad sad... re-read your posts and mine, and perhaps you'll see where the witch-hunt is: in Armstrong accusing everybody of plotting his downfall and being jealous and whatnot (for which he has NO evidence), and NOT in the USADA presenting a detailed and argued 1000 pages report.
As for our conversation, you are accusing me of being anti-US and a witch-hunter, while I've not accused you of anything and just tried to present arguments which you have not discussed in the least detail. Who has a cool, calm, collected attitude here? I don't think it is you whose fonts are growing ever wider and who answer arguments with photographs...
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jpasc95
It's quite clever from you Maxou cos you probably know that the ICU will never delete his 7 victories in Tour de France.
Indeed, LA has given lots of money to this organization, so you understand that it would be unfaithful to confirm the USADA report by withdrawing his titles.
The ICU just said that they will never refute the American report.
All this is disgusting and has the smell of shame !
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mr_dja
While I have only a small amount of specific knowledge on Lance Armstrong, I do find this thread kind of funny to read the outrage of some of the posters against Armstrong over his alleged cheating (Like Max, I believe in innocence until proven guilty as opposed to innocence until supposed guilty).
This is a Rolling Stones board right?
Mick Jagger = Cheater
Bill Wyman = Cheater
Brian Jones = Cheater
Keith Richards = Cheater
Ronnie Wood = Cheater (I think but, I wouldn't try to argue about it.)
Mick Taylor = Haven’t a clue
Charlie Watts = Non-Cheater (At least from what I’ve ever heard)
Now, if I were to extend the definition of "cheating" to include not only how these guys treated the women they were with but also how they treated various laws concerning say, drug possession and use, Charlie and Mick Taylor would lose any exemptions that they might have now.
Interesting how so many are willing to crucify an athletic entertainer while viewing selected music entertainers with a different set of standards.
Happy Witch Hunting Y'all!
Peace,
Mr DJA
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mr_dja
Interesting how so many are willing to crucify an athletic entertainer while viewing selected music entertainers with a different set of standards.
Well, I think the difference is clear...Keith (whomever) never denied taking substances.
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mr_dja
Interesting how so many are willing to crucify an athletic entertainer while viewing selected music entertainers with a different set of standards.
Well, I think the difference is clear...Keith (whomever) never denied taking substances.
Ehem, there's one major difference, and that's that we; or me at least, is interested in the music coming out of the speakers, when it comes to entertainers. I don't care what running through their blood, only interested in how they play.
You can't say the same about an athlete; as being clean of drugs is the absolute most important rule for him/her to be competing against other in the first place.....it's the competition that's important in sports. Somebody doping themselves makes the competing irrelevant
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mr_dja
Interesting how so many are willing to crucify an athletic entertainer while viewing selected music entertainers with a different set of standards.
Well, I think the difference is clear...Keith (whomever) never denied taking substances.
Ehem, there's one major difference, and that's that we; or me at least, is interested in the music coming out of the speakers, when it comes to entertainers. I don't care what running through their blood, only interested in how they play.
You can't say the same about an athlete; as being clean of drugs is the absolute most important rule for him/her to be competing against other in the first place.....it's the competition that's important in sports. Somebody doping themselves makes the competing irrelevant
Taking drugs in sports is real cheating ! not in music cos it doesn't help you to play better, it only helps you to keep awake longer. It was also a matter of way of living especially in rocknroll world.
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stonesrule
This particular comparison between athletes and Rolling Stones (ie: Keith) is ludicrous.
And think of the magnificent athletes we saw at the Olympics in London.,,From runners to mountain bike riders to swimmers and on and on.
In no way can the Lance Armstrong the Liar and Cheat be compared to them.
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Lance Armstrong did compete on the Olympics a few years back
and got a bronze medal. This medal could also be taken aways
very soon.
Nike just dropped LA's sponsorship.
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mr_dja
I don't know Max... Many of the posters on the board don't use English as a primary language. Maybe if you translated it into a few other languages it wouldn't be so hard for people to understand.
It is a shame though that in the court of public appeal one is guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around.
I just had a thought... I think it was you who mentioned if this was a European athlete the feelings might be different. What about a European television star? Wasn't there a big thread recently about a TV star who allegedly molested young girls but, since he had done such good charity work and couldn't defend himself people said to leave it alone? In the LA case we have a US athlete who allegedly cheated yet even though he's done great charity work, since he's decided to quit fighting, he needs to be destroyed. I know it's not exactly the same but it does seem kind of curious the seemingly double standard.
Peace,
Mr DJA
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mr_dja
Wasn't there a big thread recently about a TV star who allegedly molested young girls but, since he had done such good charity work and couldn't defend himself people said to leave it alone?