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DandelionPowderman
Keith lost his balls? He invited to rehearsal, now the snowball is rolling.

Well, that is how he presented the three-day jam, and I am not quite convinced what was the actual deal there. Anyway, even if that Keith version hold true, it sounds like he had the responsibility to show that he can still make it, get the band together, and especially convince Jagger of his good will.., But that rehearsal set the snowball rolling? I don't think so. It is about a year when Jagger already said that the people will be exhausted for Stones stuff after this year. I think he pretty well knew what will or might happen this year (or so). I interpret the London-jam as a move within an alraedy skectched plan. Maybe it was Keith's duty to arrange it in the 'big' skectchy plan.

But as far the jam goes - or the studio sessions soon - sometimes I feel like the hungry and eager Stones fans are so pleased to hear anything 'positive', that some kind or reality check is needed sometimes (and people like Keith and Ronnie are too tempted to resist to not tell the wanted thing, even if there is no actual substance). These guys have been pro musician for their entire lifes, and spent years in studio, stages and, jams and rehaersals or wherever making and living music. For them to take three days of their lifes and jam together is not such a big deal that music history is immedietily written. Actually it sounds absurd that a semi-retired musician makes a public announcement (well, that what it is if one is interviewed to the biggest music magazine in the world) that he is going to jam three days with his old pals. A wonder he didn't invite Queen to wittness this Miracle - that as DandelioPowdeerman seems to indicate is a not just a proof of Keith's dedication and hard labour but of leadership over the Rolling Stones too... )

It is great that Keith is sober, and perhaps that actually explains his recent (good) behavior. I hope he had been sober while "wrote" the book. I wish to have read that book. And even more, to hear some more notes from his guitar...

- Doxa

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Gazza
Further to the 'London Jam didn't happen' doubters...

One of the guys who gave me the info read this thread and asked me to pass on the following :

You can tell these disbelievers that it took place in a studio bang next door to The 606 club in Lots road Chelsea, the place is/was (think it might have moved now) run by Jeremy Stacey, drummer with the High Flying Birds amongst others. It wasn't a cynical get together to benefit the documentary, it wasn't even filmed!!! It was 100% Keith's idea and came as a total surprise to the others who all had other plans, I think the line he put out about it being a 'magnet' for Mick is just about right.

Someone said on the thread that they couldn't have done the jam without their usual technicians, well they did, No Pierre (think he's doing the NY thing though) & No Dave Rouze, they used 1 local guitar tech and a studio engineer, very un-Stones like I know, I think it was a huge shock to those guys who've always had the gig since Steel Wheels. I believe the thinking was that it was not worth flying them in (first class) for just a few days. As for Ben Waters, everyone in the band who has played with him or heard him has been impressed and also I think there is something Stu like about him that they like and of course they needed/wanted a piano player and they were not going to pay for Chuck!


The current get-together is a band decision - unlike the London one, which was Keith's.


A quick google search indicates that Jeremy Stacy does indeed have a studio at Lots Road, Chelsea called Snake Ranch.

Wyman has previously used this studio in late 2000 and early 2003 for sessions with The Rhythm Kings.

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Keith lost his balls? He invited to rehearsal, now the snowball is rolling.

Well, that is how he presented the three-day jam, and I am not quite convinced what was the actual deal there. Anyway, even if that Keith version hold true, it sounds like he had the responsibility to show that he can still make it, get the band together, and especially convince Jagger of his good will.., But that rehearsal set the snowball rolling? I don't think so. It is about a year when Jagger already said that the people will be exhausted for Stones stuff after this year. I think he pretty well knew what will or might happen this year (or so). I interpret the London-jam as a move within an alraedy skectched plan. Maybe it was Keith's duty to arrange it in the 'big' skectchy plan.

But as far the jam goes - or the studio sessions soon - sometimes I feel like the hungry and eager Stones fans are so pleased to hear anything 'positive', that some kind or reality check is needed sometimes (and people like Keith and Ronnie are too tempted to resist to not tell the wanted thing, even if there is no actual substance). These guys have been pro musician for their entire lifes, and spent years in studio, stages and, jams and rehaersals or wherever making and living music. For them to take three days of their lifes and jam together is not such a big deal that music history is immedietily written. Actually it sounds absurd that a semi-retired musician makes a public announcement (well, that what it is if one is interviewed to the biggest music magazine in the world) that he is going to jam three days with his old pals. A wonder he didn't invite Queen to wittness this Miracle - that as DandelioPowdeerman seems to indicate is a not just a proof of Keith's dedication and hard labour but of leadership over the Rolling Stones too... )

It is great that Keith is sober, and perhaps that actually explains his recent (good) behavior. I hope he had been sober while "wrote" the book. I wish to have read that book. And even more, to hear some more notes from his guitar...

- Doxa

Why wouldn't you believe the info Gazza provided?

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Gazza
Further to the 'London Jam didn't happen' doubters...

One of the guys who gave me the info read this thread and asked me to pass on the following :

You can tell these disbelievers that it took place in a studio bang next door to The 606 club in Lots road Chelsea, the place is/was (think it might have moved now) run by Jeremy Stacey, drummer with the High Flying Birds amongst others. It wasn't a cynical get together to benefit the documentary, it wasn't even filmed!!! It was 100% Keith's idea and came as a total surprise to the others who all had other plans, I think the line he put out about it being a 'magnet' for Mick is just about right.

Someone said on the thread that they couldn't have done the jam without their usual technicians, well they did, No Pierre (think he's doing the NY thing though) & No Dave Rouze, they used 1 local guitar tech and a studio engineer, very un-Stones like I know, I think it was a huge shock to those guys who've always had the gig since Steel Wheels. I believe the thinking was that it was not worth flying them in (first class) for just a few days. As for Ben Waters, everyone in the band who has played with him or heard him has been impressed and also I think there is something Stu like about him that they like and of course they needed/wanted a piano player and they were not going to pay for Chuck!


The current get-together is a band decision - unlike the London one, which was Keith's.


A quick google search indicates that Jeremy Stacy does indeed have a studio at Lots Road, Chelsea called Snake Ranch.

Wyman has previously used this studio in late 2000 and early 2003 for sessions with The Rhythm Kings.

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Doxa

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Doxa

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DandelionPowderman
Keith lost his balls? He invited to rehearsal, now the snowball is rolling.

Well, that is how he presented the three-day jam, and I am not quite convinced what was the actual deal there. Anyway, even if that Keith version hold true, it sounds like he had the responsibility to show that he can still make it, get the band together, and especially convince Jagger of his good will.., But that rehearsal set the snowball rolling? I don't think so. It is about a year when Jagger already said that the people will be exhausted for Stones stuff after this year. I think he pretty well knew what will or might happen this year (or so). I interpret the London-jam as a move within an alraedy skectched plan. Maybe it was Keith's duty to arrange it in the 'big' skectchy plan.

But as far the jam goes - or the studio sessions soon - sometimes I feel like the hungry and eager Stones fans are so pleased to hear anything 'positive', that some kind or reality check is needed sometimes (and people like Keith and Ronnie are too tempted to resist to not tell the wanted thing, even if there is no actual substance). These guys have been pro musician for their entire lifes, and spent years in studio, stages and, jams and rehaersals or wherever making and living music. For them to take three days of their lifes and jam together is not such a big deal that music history is immedietily written. Actually it sounds absurd that a semi-retired musician makes a public announcement (well, that what it is if one is interviewed to the biggest music magazine in the world) that he is going to jam three days with his old pals. A wonder he didn't invite Queen to wittness this Miracle - that as DandelioPowdeerman seems to indicate is a not just a proof of Keith's dedication and hard labour but of leadership over the Rolling Stones too... )

It is great that Keith is sober, and perhaps that actually explains his recent (good) behavior. I hope he had been sober while "wrote" the book. I wish to have read that book. And even more, to hear some more notes from his guitar...

- Doxa

Why wouldn't you believe the info Gazza provided?

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Gazza
Further to the 'London Jam didn't happen' doubters...

One of the guys who gave me the info read this thread and asked me to pass on the following :

You can tell these disbelievers that it took place in a studio bang next door to The 606 club in Lots road Chelsea, the place is/was (think it might have moved now) run by Jeremy Stacey, drummer with the High Flying Birds amongst others. It wasn't a cynical get together to benefit the documentary, it wasn't even filmed!!! It was 100% Keith's idea and came as a total surprise to the others who all had other plans, I think the line he put out about it being a 'magnet' for Mick is just about right.

Someone said on the thread that they couldn't have done the jam without their usual technicians, well they did, No Pierre (think he's doing the NY thing though) & No Dave Rouze, they used 1 local guitar tech and a studio engineer, very un-Stones like I know, I think it was a huge shock to those guys who've always had the gig since Steel Wheels. I believe the thinking was that it was not worth flying them in (first class) for just a few days. As for Ben Waters, everyone in the band who has played with him or heard him has been impressed and also I think there is something Stu like about him that they like and of course they needed/wanted a piano player and they were not going to pay for Chuck!


The current get-together is a band decision - unlike the London one, which was Keith's.


A quick google search indicates that Jeremy Stacy does indeed have a studio at Lots Road, Chelsea called Snake Ranch.

Wyman has previously used this studio in late 2000 and early 2003 for sessions with The Rhythm Kings.

Hey, I have never doubted that the (playing) session didn't happen, but of its nature (was it totally Keith's "magnet" idea or arranged for a documentary, etc,). This quote by Gazza is news to me - it seemingly is from the "Stones are in New York" thread I just started to read (since 1st of May party I've been... hmm a bit out..).

Well, that the letter from "inside" does not give much options of its nature. And it fits pretty well to my speculations...

And generally, who am I to doubt Gazza's words...

- Doxa

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Ha ha, I forgot that you Finns really let it loose during the May 1st Good one?

However, read the info from the insider again. It says: "100% Keith's idea", "the magnet description is just about right" and "It was Keith's decision"

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Ha ha, I forgot that you Finns really let it loose during the May 1st Good one?

However, read the info from the insider again. It says: "100% Keith's idea", "the magnet description is just about right" and "It was Keith's decision"

Hmm... coming to my senses (okay, okay, it's all relative...) but yeah, it was a good one...

Check my edits to my post - I have always speculated that as a starting point, and I don't have any reasons to doubt why it wasn't Keith brain child 100%. I just saw it also possible that it might have some other motives as well.

But in any case, I see that as Keith's move he needed to do in order to make anything possible. To me it sounds like that he has something to prove for Jagger now. That he still somehow 'has it' and is able to take responsibilities. And Jagger makes decisions from that base (if he feels like doing anything with Keith any longer; is he able to count on him musically, socially, etc). Or something like that. Even the idea of setting "magnet" sounds that Richards is very insecure of having real effect upon or power over the other guy(s). The time when sending faxes - stating "be there or you are out" - was enough, is over.

Anyway, of course I'd love to believe this all will lead to marvellous results (or at least to something in terms of recordings or live performances). I think you agree with me with that... But if the speed is what it is now, it will be 60th Anniversary when the old diesel motor is finally running steadily again... if anything, one result of December session was that 2012 performances were out of question, and now it is 2013 in their talks now. They are really taking small steps at the moment, and I think whatever the results will be, they are not similar to anything we have used to (in my case, that is probably not a bad thing at all).

- Doxa

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The writers must be having a tough time focusing on this weeks show when the possibilities of skits that roast Keith keep popping in their heads- could this be Micks payback to Keith?


Interesting thing will be how do they make fun of Keith? Drugged out jokes? That's lame.

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The writers must be having a tough time focusing on this weeks show when the possibilities of skits that roast Keith keep popping in their heads- could this be Micks payback to Keith?


Interesting thing will be how do they make fun of Keith? Drugged out jokes? That's lame.

It's been done already:

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Ha ha, I forgot that you Finns really let it loose during the May 1st Good one?

However, read the info from the insider again. It says: "100% Keith's idea", "the magnet description is just about right" and "It was Keith's decision"

Hmm... coming to my senses (okay, okay, it's all relative...) but yeah, it was a good one...

Check my edits to my post - I have always speculated that as a starting point, and I don't have any reasons to doubt why it wasn't Keith brain child 100%. I just saw it also possible that it might have some other motives as well.

But in any case, I see that as Keith's move he needed to do in order to make anything possible. To me it sounds like that he has something to prove for Jagger now. That he still somehow 'has it' and is able to take responsibilities. And Jagger makes decisions from that base (if he feels like doing anything with Keith any longer; is he able to count on him musically, socially, etc). Or something like that. Even the idea of setting "magnet" sounds that Richards is very insecure of having real effect upon or power over the other guy(s). The time when sending faxes - stating "be there or you are out" - was enough, is over.

Anyway, of course I'd love to believe this all will lead to marvellous results (or at least to something in terms of recordings or live performances). I think you agree with me with that... But if the speed is what it is now, it will be 60th Anniversary when the old diesel motor is finally running steadily again... if anything, one result of December session was that 2012 performances were out of question, and now it is 2013 in their talks now. They are really taking small steps at the moment, and I think whatever the results will be, they are not similar to anything we have used to (in my case, that is probably not a bad thing at all).

- Doxa

Power over the other guys? why would he have power over them?
I don´t see calling the other bandmembers (or let somebody call them) as such a great deed that he needs such admiration for that.

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Gazza
Who could forget that explosive 10 minutes at the MTV VMA's in 1994?

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Doxa

Well, I read LIFE and there the man stated that he is "natural leader", and if he had been a soldier, he would have been a general. What he learned from Boy Scouts was basically the skills needed to run a rock band.

- Doxa

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Plundered anybody?

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Edith Grove
I just hope I can stay up late enough to see this.

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Gazza
Who could forget that explosive 10 minutes at the MTV VMA's in 1994?

Wasn´t Sprinsteen billed after them as closing act?