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Three Stones talked about the December 2011 jam in February and March of this year:
Keith: It was a very back-to-basics sort of session. There was a lot of jamming. On the third day, Mick turned up, which was a real joy. Because I set it up really as a magnet, you know.
Mick: We played a lot of blues and outtakes of Some Girls and things like that. It went very well.
Ron: It was great, keeping our chops together, that's what we love. We're all happy - we were happy before Christmas. It's getting better each time.
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Max'sKansasCity
For fun... they should offer/sell a "fly on the wall" studio web cam, and turn it on from time to time, giving fans a look in, if/when they get a cool jam going..... I know, I know.... they wont... but they should.... for me at least. It doesnt have to be on all time.... just when they get rolling along like my Stones can and do.
at the risk of replying to a post of yours...didn't they film the London jam? Hopefully we will get just such a perspective as you wish.
Are we sure there ever was a jam? I haven't read, seen or heard even one statement about an actual jam -not by any of the Stones, not by Bill Wyman, not by any personel whom would have been present. The rehearsal space still is unknown, which is really rare, there's not a picture, nothing.
The jam to me sounds much more like a business meeting, with Jagger informing the others he isn't going to tour or record a new record.
Mathijs
This is the Daily Mail article from March that started the theory that the December jam was set up solely for the purpose of providing footage for an upcoming documentary;
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
followed by discussion in the sticky Stones Tour thread:
[www.iorr.org]
The Daily Mail clearly has its own spin on things, but can anyone identify the alleged location of the jam in the first paragraph?
"in a tall, red-brick building off the King’s Road in London, four old rockers sat aimlessly in a recording studio...."
Exactly what I mean: the source is the Daily Mail: a gossip paper known for avoiding printing facts. And even the Daily Mail doesn't mention anything about the Stones making any music. They where waiting 'aimlessly', and Jagger left after 'the camera's stopped rolling'. For what? interviews? Just some pictures for the 50 years book or documentary?
I just don't believe there really where any jam sessions at all.
Mathijs
Thats your problem, then. I had it confirmed by 3 sources when it actually happened (December 6-8, in a studio in Chelsea), and Jagger himself mentioned it in an interview afterwards, even mentioning rehearsing some 'Some Girls' era songs. The article mentions a 'session' - only YOU have twisted this into a photo session.
The Daily Mail carefully-cherrypicked take on things is irrelevant. Its not as if they sat in a studio 'aimlessly' for 3 days. Their target readership isnt interested in whether they were 'making music' or not. That wasn't the point of the article.
I did not twist it in to a photo session, it was a question I posed. What remarks do you have by bandmembers? The only one I know of is the one you just mentioned by Jagger. There's been no statement by Wood, Watts or Wyman that they actually played together that I know off, except for a brief session by Ben Waters, Wood and Watts.
Thing is, it would be a first in 30 years or more that they would actually play without the standard group of people around them, like techs etc. And I just don't believe that.
Mathijs
It basically follows on from Keith's interview a few weeks earlier that he was getting the band together to get the feel of playing together again. In case anyone hadnt noticed, they're a bit out of practice!
Ben Waters was there when they played together. Why on earth would he be there if no music was being played? As for the remark about technicians - how do you know they werent there? How do you disprove a negative? Whether it was 'staged' for a documentary or not, I dont know and don't care - but they DID 'play' together. Thats the point. Jagger wasnt available to begin with as he had a prior commitment in Paris. Why do you need a statement of verification from the entire band when Jagger himself even admitted it several weeks later?
Anyway - here's a quote from Keith which backs up what I said. Hope that helps.
[entertainment.stv.tv]
It just doesn't add up! So let's just say they had a band meeting discussing the future of the Stones. Richards states beforehand he will get the band together, but doesn't speak of any rehearsals afterwords. And to add -much if what Richards states the last couple of years hasn't made any sense. Then Jagger mentions afterwords it was all nice and whatever. Of course he would say that, what else has he said the last 20 years!
There has been no word from Wyman, who'd surely would state something if he'd played with them. 'it was nice', 'I hated it', what ever. No word! Same for Watts and Wood: not a single word. Why was Ben Waters there? I don't know. Invited by Watts to kill the time waiting for Jagger?
The only thing we know is that after the supposed sessions it was suddenly announced officially that there would be no tour this year, and no album. So Jagger jams with the band for an hour, long enough and sufficient enough to decide there will be no tour. It doesn't sound plausible to me.
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They said: no tour, yes. But did they say : no show?
Well well, better keep my bookings for Hyde Park. Hope they are having fun in NYC!
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Best news was that Keith was playing well.
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For fun... they should offer/sell a "fly on the wall" studio web cam, and turn it on from time to time, giving fans a look in, if/when they get a cool jam going..... I know, I know.... they wont... but they should.... for me at least. It doesnt have to be on all time.... just when they get rolling along like my Stones can and do.
at the risk of replying to a post of yours...didn't they film the London jam? Hopefully we will get just such a perspective as you wish.
Are we sure there ever was a jam? I haven't read, seen or heard even one statement about an actual jam -not by any of the Stones, not by Bill Wyman, not by any personel whom would have been present. The rehearsal space still is unknown, which is really rare, there's not a picture, nothing.
The jam to me sounds much more like a business meeting, with Jagger informing the others he isn't going to tour or record a new record.
Mathijs
This is the Daily Mail article from March that started the theory that the December jam was set up solely for the purpose of providing footage for an upcoming documentary;
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
followed by discussion in the sticky Stones Tour thread:
[www.iorr.org]
The Daily Mail clearly has its own spin on things, but can anyone identify the alleged location of the jam in the first paragraph?
"in a tall, red-brick building off the King’s Road in London, four old rockers sat aimlessly in a recording studio...."
Exactly what I mean: the source is the Daily Mail: a gossip paper known for avoiding printing facts. And even the Daily Mail doesn't mention anything about the Stones making any music. They where waiting 'aimlessly', and Jagger left after 'the camera's stopped rolling'. For what? interviews? Just some pictures for the 50 years book or documentary?
I just don't believe there really where any jam sessions at all.
Mathijs
Thats your problem, then. I had it confirmed by 3 sources when it actually happened (December 6-8, in a studio in Chelsea), and Jagger himself mentioned it in an interview afterwards, even mentioning rehearsing some 'Some Girls' era songs. The article mentions a 'session' - only YOU have twisted this into a photo session.
The Daily Mail carefully-cherrypicked take on things is irrelevant. Its not as if they sat in a studio 'aimlessly' for 3 days. Their target readership isnt interested in whether they were 'making music' or not. That wasn't the point of the article.
I did not twist it in to a photo session, it was a question I posed. What remarks do you have by bandmembers? The only one I know of is the one you just mentioned by Jagger. There's been no statement by Wood, Watts or Wyman that they actually played together that I know off, except for a brief session by Ben Waters, Wood and Watts.
Thing is, it would be a first in 30 years or more that they would actually play without the standard group of people around them, like techs etc. And I just don't believe that.
Mathijs
It basically follows on from Keith's interview a few weeks earlier that he was getting the band together to get the feel of playing together again. In case anyone hadnt noticed, they're a bit out of practice!
Ben Waters was there when they played together. Why on earth would he be there if no music was being played? As for the remark about technicians - how do you know they werent there? How do you disprove a negative? Whether it was 'staged' for a documentary or not, I dont know and don't care - but they DID 'play' together. Thats the point. Jagger wasnt available to begin with as he had a prior commitment in Paris. Why do you need a statement of verification from the entire band when Jagger himself even admitted it several weeks later?
Anyway - here's a quote from Keith which backs up what I said. Hope that helps.
[entertainment.stv.tv]
It just doesn't add up! So let's just say they had a band meeting discussing the future of the Stones. Richards states beforehand he will get the band together, but doesn't speak of any rehearsals afterwords. And to add -much if what Richards states the last couple of years hasn't made any sense. Then Jagger mentions afterwords it was all nice and whatever. Of course he would say that, what else has he said the last 20 years!
There has been no word from Wyman, who'd surely would state something if he'd played with them. 'it was nice', 'I hated it', what ever. No word! Same for Watts and Wood: not a single word. Why was Ben Waters there? I don't know. Invited by Watts to kill the time waiting for Jagger?
The only thing we know is that after the supposed sessions it was suddenly announced officially that there would be no tour this year, and no album. So Jagger jams with the band for an hour, long enough and sufficient enough to decide there will be no tour. It doesn't sound plausible to me.
Mathijs
Well, we have these statements:
Keith: It was a very back-to-basics sort of session. There was a lot of jamming. On the third day, Mick turned up, which was a real joy. Because I set it up really as a magnet, you know.
Mick: We played a lot of blues and outtakes of Some Girls and things like that. It went very well.
Ron: It was great, keeping our chops together, that's what we love. We're all happy - we were happy before Christmas. It's getting better each time.
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Cocaine Eyes
I just googled all of the NYC newpapers and there's nothing out new, today. Waiting patiently on the floor.............
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I just googled all of the NYC newpapers and there's nothing out new, today. Waiting patiently on the floor.............
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3DTeafoe
On his Facebook page, Ethan Russell says he's on his way to NYC. I wonder if there is a connection. Just thinkin'...
(He has an exhibit opening at the Morrison Gallery on May 4th.)
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Max'sKansasCity
For fun... they should offer/sell a "fly on the wall" studio web cam, and turn it on from time to time, giving fans a look in, if/when they get a cool jam going..... I know, I know.... they wont... but they should.... for me at least. It doesnt have to be on all time.... just when they get rolling along like my Stones can and do.
at the risk of replying to a post of yours...didn't they film the London jam? Hopefully we will get just such a perspective as you wish.
Are we sure there ever was a jam? I haven't read, seen or heard even one statement about an actual jam -not by any of the Stones, not by Bill Wyman, not by any personel whom would have been present. The rehearsal space still is unknown, which is really rare, there's not a picture, nothing.
The jam to me sounds much more like a business meeting, with Jagger informing the others he isn't going to tour or record a new record.
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didn't they film the London jam?
does anybody know this?
I think this reported earlier by Gazza?
Not by me, it wasnt, Tele.
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Stoneage
Why all this secrecy? I understand it from a security point of view but this seems to go beyond that.
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Cocaine Eyes
I just googled all of the NYC newpapers and there's nothing out new, today. Waiting patiently on the floor.............
I did the same, no photos yet.
I would also suggest reading the gossip columns even if it's a one sentence blurb.
Here are the links for NYC's newspapers that have reported on The Stones in the past
[www.nydailynews.com]
[www.nypost.com]
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Any pictures from the London session? We have pictures of basically every fart Jagger, Richards and Wood have laid for the last 5 years.
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No, no fart pix
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Stoneage
Don't think so. But maybe I'm wrong, UGRollme. As far as I know, none of the four are Springsteen fans.
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In Toronto, they used to advertise where they would be rehearsing. I recall (perhaps it was three tours ago?? I've lost track at this point) it was on the front page of all three big Toronto newspapers (The Star, The Sun, The Globe & Mail) that they'd be rehearsing at The Masonic Temple. Now it's called The Concert Hall.
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GumbootCloggerooYou have it backwards. It used to be The Concert Hall but now it's The Masonic Temple.Quote
Cocaine Eyes
In Toronto, they used to advertise where they would be rehearsing. I recall (perhaps it was three tours ago?? I've lost track at this point) it was on the front page of all three big Toronto newspapers (The Star, The Sun, The Globe & Mail) that they'd be rehearsing at The Masonic Temple. Now it's called The Concert Hall.
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In Toronto, they used to advertise where they would be rehearsing. I recall (perhaps it was three tours ago?? I've lost track at this point) it was on the front page of all three big Toronto newspapers (The Star, The Sun, The Globe & Mail) that they'd be rehearsing at The Masonic Temple. Now it's called The Concert Hall.
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In Toronto, they used to advertise where they would be rehearsing. I recall (perhaps it was three tours ago?? I've lost track at this point) it was on the front page of all three big Toronto newspapers (The Star, The Sun, The Globe & Mail) that they'd be rehearsing at The Masonic Temple. Now it's called The Concert Hall.
Sonic Temple? I enjoyed that album. Has some kickin' tunes on it.