Technically it's not exactly hologram. Hologram is 3D photography, while here it's 2D technique (involving computer 3D though).

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The implications are quite enormous if you think about it. Visual media in that detail is able to create hidden truths in our subconscious.

i once translated a pre-publication version of a book called The American Replacement of Nature
by a cat called William Irwin Thompson that was largely about this kind of phenomenon.
apparently the English-language version of the book got a lot of its teeth pulled during the copy-editing,
so the published version isn't as breathtakingly whoa-nelly as the copy i was given to work on,
but i bet it's still a great read. Thompson largely blames - dig this! - Walt Disney and his "imagineers"
for taking the art and technology of manipulation through images to such appalling heights.
his description of the Hall of Presidents at Disney World is brilliant: robot presidents come to life
one by one in a darkened theater to the sound of fife and drum, and the audience, disoriented by the spectacle,
"begin to sob in spasms of patriotism"

ahem, i mean: good book about scary ideas. see if you can find it

Thanks soulful one, I found it:

[www.amazon.com]

Yes this is interesting if not very scary stuff especially since it is probably required reading for every advertising exec in the biz. Some very scary things were happening to our advertisements in the 50's and 60's, so scary legislation was introduced to try to limit the amout of subconscious manipulation used by the industry at large. The recording industry to , to a lesser extent. For instance the anti-backward legislation that was passed here in the USA.

Funny you mention Disney, my ex-girlfriends grandfather was an artist extrodinaire for Disney and he showed us many many images that had hidden meaning for those willing to look a bit deeper. Alot of them were sexual of course but I will never forget his tour of some of the images of my youth. Boy was that a wake up call for me to look closer and filter out what was obviously put there to stick. Those artists had a blast with all the inside jokes and hidden meanings. He lived well into his 90's and always had a huge smile on his face, like he knew the joke was his. peace

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Thanks soulful one, I found it: [www.amazon.com]

odd - that subtitle sounds like the whole focus of the book is different from the version i translated.
i've ordered one of the cheap ones to see how it compares ... now back to our regularly scheduled hologram thread :E

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Technically it's not exactly hologram. Hologram is 3D photography, while here it's 2D technique (involving computer 3D though).

Thank you Dr. Kowalski, you're now on the patent application team. lol peace

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kowalski
Technically it's not exactly hologram. Hologram is 3D photography, while here it's 2D technique (involving computer 3D though).

Thank you Dr. Kowalski, you're now on the patent application team. lol peace

Nice, always been my dream!

Coachella 2013 Exclusively Hologram Lineup.

The whole hologram thing is lame.

are you kidding. the stones won't pay the money to have it done!!!

It would be interesting to see the hologram Elvis.

But would they do the young handsome Elvis, or the bloated/Vegas version?

Same for Jim Morrison...young and handsome, or fat and drunk?




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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

It's just motion capture of a living person transferred to a virtual Tupac wireframe + textures. The wireframe deforms like a human body deforms. That part has been done in movies for years now.

Then it's projected onto a screen that's tilted at 45 drgrees.

I'd rather see Marilyn Monroe than Tupac.

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The real difference, of course, here is the ability to take the entirety of an
artist's audio output in a certain time period, let's say for example,
Keith Richards 1968-1978 and process it to derive algorithms that would
allow you then to have "Keith Richards 1968-1978" play behind Adele.

That's the real story here, and when the controllers of Hendrix's estate
authorize new Jimi recordings on this basis, then we got a whole new
creature on our hands. Obviously not equal to the original, but would you
say without any redeeming entertainment value whatsoever? To have, for example,
new Hendrix-algorithm music as part of a future James Bond soundtrack?

Well, ready or not, its coming.

actually its kinda here. this excerpt from Wired is two years old...

Virtual Musicians, Real Performances: How Artificial Intelligence Will Change Music

Ever wonder how Jimi Hendrix would cover Lady Gaga? The day is
approaching when you should be able to find out.

Musicians’ opportunities to sell their recordings may be drying up due to
cultural shifts brought on by changing technology, but other aspects of
technology are creating a promising new market for music: the licensing of
the musical style or personality of recording artists.

Using complex software, North Carolina’s Zenph Sound Innovations models the
musical performances of musicians from Thelonius Monk to Rachmaninoff, based
on how they played in occasionally old, scratchy recordings. Using that
model, the company creates new recordings as they would be played by deceased
musicians, if they were around to record with today’s equipment, to critical
acclaim. And that’s just for starters.

Venture capital firm Intersouth Partners led a $10.7-million round of Series
A funding in the company in November, a move that saw former Intersouth
venture capital partner Kip Frey take over as the company’s CEO. He told us
on Monday that Zenph has ramped up to 15 employees in preparation for new
releases in its series of re-recordings.

Zenph also plans explore a variety of new markets, including licensing clear
versions of muddy recordings to films and software that could eventually let
musicians jam with virtual versions of famous musicians. Picture an Eric
Clapton plug-in that reinterprets your solo to sound like it was played by
“Old Slowhand” himself.

Zenph’s specially designed robotic pianos take high-resolution MIDI files
created by software that simulates the style of classical and jazz performers
from days gone by and them into sound by literally depressing the keys using
between 12 and 24 high-resolution MIDI attributes. So far, the company offers
new albums by legends including Art Tatum, Sergei Rachmaninoff and Glenn
Gould, and up next is jazz pianist Oscar Peterson.

These robotic pianos have wowed crowds in “live” settings at Carnegie Hall,
Steinway Hall and on the Live from Lincoln Center show, with their
note-for-note renditions of performances of the past. Zenph plans to take
them on three tours later this year. Its engineers have nearly completed work
on a playerless double bass, and plans to work on the saxophone model next,
with the ultimate goal of creating every instrument in a typical jazz band —
then guitar, and so on. However, due to the complexity of playing those
instruments, Zenph plans to simulate them being played in software and
reproduce the sound with speakers.

As things stand now, Zenph’s technology looks at actual old recordings to
find out how a performer played a certain song, and is not capable of
figuring out how a musician would play a new part. “We hope — but we can’t
demonstrate today — that after we’ve done several re-performances of a given
artist, we will understand enough about that individual’s musical style to be
able to suggest how that style might manifest itself in the performance of a
work that the artist never actually performed,” said Frey, clarifying that
today Zenph’s software only reproduces performances, it doesn’t create them.

Of course, causing a musician’s musical style to inhabit a device would
require a new type of licensing deal. If Courtney Love blew her gasket when
Kurt Cobain started rapping in Guitar Hero, just think how she would react to
a virtual version of her ex-husband playing on albums without the proper
permission.

Once Zenph secures the necessary rights to make these re-recordings through
one-off licensing deals with an artist, or his or her representatives or
estate, it creates a new sound-recording copyright, which won’t expire for
decades. This creates the opportunity to license perfect-sounding recordings
from the past for use in films and television shows. A scene featuring
Thelonius Monk playing in a club, for instance, could feature newly recorded
music reconstructed from a hissy live recording using Zenph’s existing
technology.

Taking these pianos on tour, on the other hand, is no small feat. “The
problem is moving the pianos around,” said Frey, “it’s not like you can just
go grab any piano in any city.”

His long-term vision for Zenph involves solving one aspect of that problem by
modeling instruments virtually, so that computers can generate music in the
style of a variety of musicians all on their own, without expensive hardware.
This would allow amateur musicians to play along with virtual versions of
famous performers, and let fans choose which performer plays a certain part
and even what mood they should be in as they play.

“It introduces a whole bunch of interesting intellectual-property issues, but
eventually, you ought to be able to, in essence, cast your own band,” said
Frey. “You should be able to write a piece of music and for the drum piece,
have Keith Moon, and for the guitar piece, you can have Eric Clapton — that
is a derivation of understanding each of those artists’ styles as a digital
signature. That’s further down the road, but initially, you’re going to have
the ability for artist to create music and have the listener manipulate how
they want to hear it — [for example] sadder.”

Clearly, the licensing of musical personalities has the potential to create a
new revenue stream for artists and their estates, but because there’s no
compulsory license for this sort of thing — and there shouldn’t be, because
artists or their estates should have control over what their personalities do
— each deal must be negotiated individually.

But if Zenph and other companies succeed in the quest to create virtual
musical personalities, the market will likely create licensing mechanisms
that allow a wide range of artists and labels to license their personalities
to interactive music formats, potentially resulting in wrangling over music
licensing. The problem has philosophical overtones: If a machine has to
license a certain performer’s style, why doesn’t a human? Licensing the style
or personality of performers would open a strange can of worms, even if the
intent is just to fairly compensate those involved.

“The idea of extending copyright in general I’m not much in favor of, but the
idea of extending copyright to style is incredibly distasteful to me,” said
Eric Singer, creator of the League of Electronic Musical Urban Robots, or
LEMUR. “It basically means that the entire history of music, where people
have listened to other musicians and been influenced by their style is
basically up for grabs. Whether a brain is doing it or a computer is doing
it, how are they going to make that distinction?”

Whatever licensing is involved, it would involve a new right that falls
outside of current copyright law (updated). Frey clarified, “Copyright
protection is reserved solely for original works of authorship that are fixed
in tangible mediums of expression, such as books or recordings. From a legal
perspective, there is no way that whatever rights might be relevant to this
hypothetical notion about artistic style would fit within the logical
framework of copyright, and Zenph would never propose that copyright be
extended in this direction.” (We should also make clear that Zenph negotiates
deals with artists or their estates for each re-recording and would be
required to do so in the future, so it should not be seen as subverting
copyright law or hijacking artists’ performances.)

For governing the use of artists’ personalities, perhaps the “right of
publicity,” which governs how a person’s likeness and persona can be used,
would be the place to start. However it happens, the laws will need to catch
up in the years to come, because virtual musicians are already real, and
they’re only getting realer.

Report: Tupac hologram could go on tour


With Tupac Shakur’s reincarnation at the closing night of the Coachella
Valley Music and Arts Festival on Sunday night continuing to dominate
headlines on the blogosphere, the inevitable question of what’s next for the
“performer” has become a steady buzz. Now it seems that the ghostly image of
the rapper, murdered more than 15 years ago, could hit the road for a tour.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting representatives for Dr. Dre and Snoop
Dogg, who anchored the closing night of first weekend of the annual three-day
festival, are discussing the logistics for a possible tour involving the two
as well as the virtual image of Tupac.

Although a rep for Snoop Dogg said the rapper was unavailable for comment, a
source close to Dre's camp said the veteran rapper was contemplating how to
further use the technology — which reportedly costs in the six-figure range —
for a possible tour and that a number of promoters were invited to the
Coachella set to see how Tupac’s appearance played out.

The Journal said one possiblity could be a stadium tour featuring a cast of
hip-hop heavyweights including Eminem, 50 Cent and Wiz Khalifa, who all made
real-life guest appearances during Dre and Snoop’s set, or a smaller tour
featuring the two headliners and virtual 2Pac.

Keen to find out more about this technology, we got in touch with Joel
Solloway, a hologram expert who has been working in special event design and
production for over 20 years.

Solloway used to be a partner working on holographic staging with Musion, the
company who staged Tupac’s Coachella performance, but he sold his interest
in that partnership after the business “paid way too much for their license
which just covered the inflated price of projection foil.”

Since he left Musion he has partnered with European companies, who like
Musion have perfected the art of volumetric holography. In addition to large
format holographic design, he works creating and designing content for
holographic displays utilized for retail environments, trade shows, museums
and other visual exhibits. Oh, and he also announced on Twitter late last
year that he’s “Working on an international project specific to the world of
rock n roll. A very big deal”

Solloway is the holographic technology guru working on the highly anticipated
One Great Night On Earth festival. The festival’s Project Director, Lyndel
Moore, told us earlier this month that Joel contacted them with his proposal
to resurrect a famous lead singer on stage at the festival through his
friendship with Chip Monck, the festival’s Director of Production, who
also worked on a few other huge music events including Woodstock, Monterey
Pop Festival, and the Rolling Stones American tours in 1969 and 1972.

One Great Night On Earth decided that the hologram was “cheesy, there was no
way we were going to do it” but as we have seen at Coachella this technology
can be staggeringly impressive if it’s done right. Lyndel Moore told us that
“Originally we thought we’d need some ground breaking piece because we didn’t
quite know the full ilk of our lineup, but at this stage we don’t know if we
can fit it in. If it doesn’t happen in year one it will definitely happen in
year two”.

The identity of the famous rock star the festival will be bringing back to life is strictly under wraps for now...

(its funny that my first thought was Hendrix. Jimi is now my second and third
thoughts too.)



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ROCKMAN

so from that i take it that your friends, who are friends with Chip, have
confirmed its Jimi they're resurrecting. thanks for the leak!

ROCKMAN

Who needs a virtual-audio Elvis to cover Nirvana? The right human being can do it very effectively:

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... “Working on an international project specific to the world of
rock n roll. A very big deal” ...
Joel contacted them with his proposal to resurrect a famous lead singer on stage at the festival...
(its funny that my first thought was Hendrix. Jimi is now my second and third
thoughts too.)

i know music terms get thrown around carelessly, but is "lead singer" the way anyone refers to Hendrix?
i have five or six different guesses about singers they might have in mind,
especially if the term rock & roll isn't being used very precisely -
and hopefully it'll be someone who wouldn't mind it too much, if they had any say in it :E



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... “Working on an international project specific to the world of
rock n roll. A very big deal”[/b] ...
Joel contacted them with his proposal to resurrect a famous lead singer on stage at the festival...
(its funny that my first thought was Hendrix. Jimi is now my second and third
thoughts too.)

i know music terms get thrown around carelessly, but is "lead singer" the way anyone refers to Hendrix?
i have five or six different guesses about singers they might have in mind,
especially if the term rock & roll isn't being used very precisely -
and hopefully it'll be someone who wouldn't mind it too much, if they had any say in it :E

Elvis is a singer - but not a "lead singer" as the term is usually understood.

Hendrix would surely be described as a guitarist, not a singer, lead or otherwise...

I wouldn't guess either of those two.

as if people don't give slightly misleading clues when they're trying to
hype something without giving it all away. (check out this group The
Rolling Stones for example). I mean, Jimi was his group's lead vocalist...

but yeah, of course, Hendrix is not a sure bet.

still, its gotta be someone whose estate handlers would be willing to
take a risk on something potentially legacy-tarnishing like this, and
someone who both young people and the straight media today generally still
regard as an icon, and someone who impacts very highly visually.

the estates of lennon and elvis would say no, at least at this point.
michael jackson and marley seem too big still for this aussie crew to
have landed. neither jim morrison nor cobain i don't think are headline
grabbing enough. so besides hendrix, who does that leave? janis and freddy
mercury are the only ones who come to mind, but are they big enough? lotza
kids still wear hendrix t-shirts, not so much Janis or freddy. so i still say
hendrix is the favorite, based mostly on the reputation his estate has for
saying "yes" fairly easily.



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Coachella 2013 Exclusively Hologram Lineup.

That is HILARIOUS!

on second 4th thought, queen/freddy mercury has to be in the mix as much as
hendrix. if queen is willing to play shows with adam lambert (not that there's
anything wrong with that) why not trot out holographic freddy to do a few
numbers too?

just like dr. dre's involvement gave the tupac thing credibility, the
involvement of brian may and company would substantially boost ghost-freddy.



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(freddy mercury is now the clear favorite, with jimi starting to fade: )

If you can't actually see Queen live, members Brian May and Roger Taylor hope
that you will settle for their new touring tribute show, The Queen
Extravaganza.

Taylor's idea was to the create the ultimate Queen concert experience in an
electrifying road show that celebrates the band's music and legacy performed
by some of the best new music talent out there today. Taylor personally
takes the role of producer and music director.

To guarantee the touring show matches the fabled design and excitement of
Queen at its live best, Taylor has enlisted a heavyweight production team
headed by stage designer Mark Fisher. Fisher has been responsible for some of
the most memorable rock concerts ever staged, including The Wall for Pink
Floyd, every Rolling Stones show since 1989, and, working with lighting
designer Willie Williams, every U2 concert.

The Queen Extravaganza touring band, four vocalists and five musicians (two
guitars, bass, drums and keyboards), were hired after an intensive 12 week
online audition search. The buzz surrounding the public auditions sparked
worldwide interest with video submissions generating more than 10 million
views.

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FYI, I tried a lot of other morphs at this site, and NONE of them worked
nearly as well as Jimi and Rihanna. They have amazingly similar facial
structure.

I know, I know, she has no talent or influence or impact whatsoever compared
to jimi. and she has not singlehandedly changed the course of contemporary
music. and she will of course be totally forgotten in two or three years...

but she does kinda look like jimi ya gotta admit

superrevvy. can you morph Rihanna's face onto every single famous person and report back to us? Thanks a lot!

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superrevvy. can you morph Rihanna's face onto every single famous person and report back to us? Thanks a lot!

i already tried (as i already said). she doesnt morph well with anybody
but jimi, stonesrule gumboot

(morphing, cloning, hologramming being totally on topic in this thread
by the way)

(not to mention that she and jimi have been sub-topics on this thread all
along. and wasnt it you that started the rihanna sub-topic on this
thread?)



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A couple of years ago I took my kids to Disney World and we were all entertained by the "Hall of Presidents" show. That makes twice in the last 40 years for me. I'd be willing to bet that will be the maximum number of hologram concerts I see in the next 40 years.

Time might change me but I really can't see myself choosing to see a holographic recreation of the Beatles at Shea stadium (or the new Shea) over a DVD of the same event in the comfort of my own home.

On some levels it really is an interesting concept which it will be interesting to see how far "they" take it. Right now we're talking about uses in a pop music format. I wonder if we'll get to see holograms of legendary Shakespearian actors performing on the stage. Classic opera & musical theater? Historical events? Wanna see the gladiators fighting lions in the Coliseum? Druids on parade at Stonehenge? Plato? Socrates? In all cases, I still think I'd stay home & watch on TV.

Where it will become truly interesting is when the technology becomes compact & affordable enough for small scale and home viewing. Forget about 3D HDTV & Blue Ray, imagine when you'll have the option to see a Stones "B" Stage performance in your living room. Imagine interactive classroom/educational opportunities with Albert Einstein or Isaac Newton at your local college lecture hall. Hmmm... Just how do I buy stock in this technology?

Peace,
Mr DJA

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(not to mention that she and jimi have been sub-topics on this thread all
along. and wasnt it you that started the rihanna sub-topic on this
thread?)

Uh, you mentioned her name before I did. Therefore, you started it! Poopy pants.