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No, the best song since 1980 isn't Slave.

pray tell what is?!

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pepganzo
No, the best song since 1980 isn't Slave.

pray tell what is?!

I see. Playing 'keep away' while only giving half.

What ya think, Treacle? Is the best song since 1980 that's not Slave that Pep is thinking of Rock And A Hard Place?
Streets Of Love?
Following The River?
Sweet Neo Con?
Too Much Blood? Horrible wasn't it. I mean is that really true what they... oh wait, I've been listening to Too Much Blood lately.

If you think so

why does this thread exist?

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No. It was recorded in 1975, i.e., before 1980, and was widely bootlegged long before its official release in 1981 on Tattoo You. Real nice groove, but it ain't much of an actual song. But swap it and Worried About You for Cherry Oh Baby and Melody or Fool to Cry on Black and Blue, and you've got a much better album!

Get over yourself, Loving Cup is from 68, and it was on Exile 5 years later.

I also like how people say it's not much of a song, but it's better than this or that song, and it would improve Black and Blue.

You're making my point!

Right. Even though Loving Cup didn't appear on an album until Exile, they wrote it in '68 and played it at Hyde Park in '69. Because Hyde Park was heavily bootlegged, it was publicly available long before its official release.

Not really. It's not much of a song, but it would have improve Black and Blue because Cherry Oh Baby, Melody, and Fool to Cry are complete crap that never should have seen the light of day.

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Some songs should be left alone. With exception to the 1969 live version they've never played JJF worth a damn live. Yet they've done pretty good renditions of SFM over the years, especially on the LICKS tour.

Slave would not translate live, just like Sway didn't and a few others didn't. It's best left alone.

Yes, Rocks Off as well...much as I love the studio version.

Another one they've never done well is Heartbreaker!

Disagree.

Nah. Crap. It just doesn't translate live worth a damn. Another one of those songs where the studio version is the best version.

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nope - it's a mediocre jam

What about excellent jelly then?

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No. It was recorded in 1975, i.e., before 1980, and was widely bootlegged long before its official release in 1981 on Tattoo You. Real nice groove, but it ain't much of an actual song. But swap it and Worried About You for Cherry Oh Baby and Melody or Fool to Cry on Black and Blue, and you've got a much better album!

Get over yourself, Loving Cup is from 68, and it was on Exile 5 years later.

I also like how people say it's not much of a song, but it's better than this or that song, and it would improve Black and Blue.

You're making my point!

Right. Even though Loving Cup didn't appear on an album until Exile, they wrote it in '68 and played it at Hyde Park in '69. Because Hyde Park was heavily bootlegged, it was publicly available long before its official release.

Not really. It's not much of a song, but it would have improve Black and Blue because Cherry Oh Baby, Melody, and Fool to Cry are complete crap that never should have seen the light of day.

You're ability to pedal backwards in traffic is admirable!

Well, that settles it then - Loving Cup should've gone on BEGGARS BANQUET.

Great. Now it's even more screwed up. Mick said one thing, now others are something something else.

"Gimme a lil' bleeding drink..."

This is probably "one of those online threads" where I bet the
people who actually made the music, wrote it, created it, produced it,
played the instruments, recorded it, etc etc... are talking about when
they say they read this type of posts and scatch thier heads and think...
"whoa, we didnt think 1/1000 about any of this, as much as these people
posting this stuff online do".

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This is probably "one of those online threads" where I bet the
people who actually made the music, wrote it, created it, produced it,
played the instruments, recorded it, etc etc... are talking about when
they say they read this type of posts and scatch thier heads and think...
"whoa, we didnt think 1/1000 about any of this, as much as these people
posting this stuff online do".

Do you think that idea is unique to this thread? Scan the thread titles on page 1!

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Some songs should be left alone. With exception to the 1969 live version they've never played JJF worth a damn live. Yet they've done pretty good renditions of SFM over the years, especially on the LICKS tour.

Slave would not translate live, just like Sway didn't and a few others didn't. It's best left alone.

Yes, Rocks Off as well...much as I love the studio version.

Another one they've never done well is Heartbreaker!

Disagree.

Nah. Crap. It just doesn't translate live worth a damn. Another one of those songs where the studio version is the best version.

Bite your tongue! The breakdown is badass funk-ay!

I have got a problem with TATTOO YOU as a whole. That makes it their weakest album to me. Not only the verdict comparative slump, which I use regarding approximately four other albums, but to me an absolute slump.

There are songs on the album that more than others frustrate me. "Slave" is not one of those. But when "Waiting on A Friend" is a masterpiece of a song, and where there are other somewhat redeeming songs on the album, "Slave" is not one of those either. Not without some attraction, it is rather a relatively neutral song to me in the context of this album. Not boring, but neutral.

Compared with songs on other issues, there are lots which I prefer to "Slave". Nonetheless, it is OK or almost OK. Put in another context, it is possible, maybe even probable, that I could have liked it more. I do not want to knock it. And I find it pleasing that others like it higher than me, a fact that is creditable to the band.

Besides; Stones songs that I am reserved to studio versions of, might be experienced by me in another light if I heard another version. "Hang Fire" is a good example of that. So I will be glad to hear "Slave" live, if the band can manage. In fact, I would rather hear "Slave" live than almost any warhorse that I love and have loved higher both studio version and live versions of, and consequently more than I have liked "Slave".



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I have got a problem with TATTOO YOU as a whole. That makes it their weakest album to me. Not only the verdict comparative slump, which I use regarding approximately four other albums, but to me an absolute slump.

There are songs on the album that more than others frustrate me. "Slave" is not one of those. But when "Waiting on A Friend" is a masterpiece of a song, and where there are other somewhat redeeming songs on the album, "Slave" is not one of those either. Not without some attraction, it is rather a relatively neutral song to me in the context of this album. Not boring, but neutral.

Compared with songs on other issues, there are lots which I prefer to "Slave". Nonetheless, it is OK or almost OK. Put in another context, it is possible, maybe even probable, that I could have liked it more. I do not want to knock it. And I find it pleasing that others like it higher than me, a fact that is creditable to the band.

Besides; Stones songs that I am reserved to studio versions of, might be experienced by me in another light if I heard another version. "Hang Fire" is a good example of that. So I will be glad to hear "Slave" live, if the band can manage. In fact, I would rather hear "Slave" live than almost any warhorse that I love and have loved higher both studio version and live versions of, and consequently more than I have liked "Slave".

but the question is, is this the best stones song since 1980?

Are you kidding me Slave? Nope, I'll say Voodoo Lounge what a great cd filled with jems.



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No!

It was a respectful way of saying: And far from it!

How Can I Stop
Continental Drift
Feel On Baby
She Was Hot
Worried About You
Waiting On A Friend
Slipping Away

These songs all aspire to being the best since 1980, imo.

No but I think they shoulda finished it off and put it on the "Black And Blue" LP that it originated from..that woulda gave that release a little extra "oomph"!



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More Hot Rocks
why does this thread exist?

Strictly for sober thoughtful discussion. Annoying you immensely is only a highly useful side-benefit.

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This is probably "one of those online threads" where I bet the
people who actually made the music, wrote it, created it, produced it,
played the instruments, recorded it, etc etc... are talking about when
they say they read this type of posts and scatch thier heads and think...
"whoa, we didnt think 1/1000 about any of this, as much as these people
posting this stuff online do".

Do you think that idea is unique to this thread? Scan the thread titles on page 1!

Thats what she said.

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Max'sKansasCity
This is probably "one of those online threads" where I bet the
people who actually made the music, wrote it, created it, produced it,
played the instruments, recorded it, etc etc... are talking about when
they say they read this type of posts and scatch thier heads and think...
"whoa, we didnt think 1/1000 about any of this, as much as these people
posting this stuff online do".

Do you think that idea is unique to this thread? Scan the thread titles on page 1!

Thats what she said.

I know, right?!

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO AAAAAAAAAAT!

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DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO AAAAAAAAAAT!

Why unearth this thread?

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DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO AAAAAAAAAAT!

Why unearth this thread?

It's become topical again with respect to Rene's thread.

Don't read it if your going to get annoyed.

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Don't read it if your going to get annoyed.

Thanks for the smart answer.
I read because I though it was interesting.
I think thread pollution annoy everybody to be honest.



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Don't read it if your going to get annoyed.

Thanks for the smart answer.
I think it annoy everybody to be honest.

I for one appreciate your honesty. DO AAAAAAAAAT!

Since I have written about "Slave" in both threads, and better of my own view on the individual song in this thread, I will give one extended answer to the question, apart from the one I gave above:

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but the question is, is this the best stones song since 1980?

The very same album TATTOO YOU features one song that I deeply love, and which is already there to me better than "Slave". That is "Waiting on a Friend". That song would have been good enough for any album, provided only in case it had suited in the style of such an album. Not saying that "Waiting on a Friend" is the best song since 1980 though.

keith's solo is rocking...kinda 'grew out' of the riff as i got older.

where there are others post '80 I never tire off.


like hang fire, let me go, ect

my personal favourite opening post start me up is YGMR!



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Since I have written about "Slave" in both threads, and better of my own view on the individual song in this thread, I will give one extended answer to the question, apart from the one I gave above:

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but the question is, is this the best stones song since 1980?

The very same album TATTOO YOU features one song that I deeply love, and which is already there to me better than "Slave". That is "Waiting on a Friend". That song would have been good enough for any album, provided only in case it had suited in the style of such an album. Not saying that "Waiting on a Friend" is the best song since 1980 though.

OK, don't leave us hanging then...what is?