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Everything off Babylon is better than anything on Tattoo Poo. Babylon is the sound of Mick masturbating - which is so much better than listening to the Stones.

Right?

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Mathijs
No one seems bothered about the fact that the only thing added to Slave after 1980 is the sax.

Mathijs

No new vocals after 1980?

According to Chris Kimsey, Slave was revisted in '79 when all the vocals and guitar dubs by Ron Wood where done. This is the long outtake that is available, running a tad slow. They took this version in '81, wiped Wood's guitar, and added Rollin's sax.

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Doxa
It is the thrill of the moment... listening some individual song and sensing that "this is it", it can't be any better... Same like comparing their recent bootlegs downloads to each other - is LA FRIDAY actually better than BRUSSELS AFFAIR or HAMPTON '81? Absurd. When listening through any of them, that's as great as rock music ever can be.

Besides, I think the real greatness of The Rolling Stones derives from their not so well-known, non upfront or "non-warhorses" material. That's where their unique charm and sound is best. Things like "Winter", "Slave", etc. Funny, some time I ago I was walking in some shopping centre, and from the speakers I could hear some very familar-sounding noise. I just heard somehow the sound but couldn't recognize the song. Then I needed to find a place I could hear it better, which I did. Of all songs, it was "One More Try" and it sounded simply awesome. So much pure joy and feel in that song. At that moment it felt like being the greatest Rolling Stones song ever...

- Doxa

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Come On
Everything is turning to gould ... ... ...

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tipps
It is a good dance tune, they just put it on to fill in the lp and disco was in in the 80s. And Mick does like disco at that time.

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It is a good dance tune, they just put it on to fill in the lp and disco was in in the 80s. And Mick does like disco at that time.

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On reflection Tattoo You is a bloody good album. Hence the reason I went out and had it tattooed on my forearm all those years ago!

Yes it is. It is funny album because it doesn't fit very well to anything. I mean, it is very difficult to write it as some kind of big or relevant or important album. It doesn't have any good 'story' over it. We know its "copy and paste" nature - which made it kind of retro album already in 1981, and not adding anything new and exciting to Stones vocabulary. It doesn't generally mean anything in the 80's music scene. Just an album of old farts who had done their really relevant music years earlier (and, as we have recently seen, not even SOME GIRLS is that big album as we have tend to think)

But it is just incredibly great album by its own terms. I have always have mixed emotions about its true value since it was my first Stones album and the very reason why I was once hooked. For years I thought that I am way too subjective about it, but now when the years go by, it starts to look like that the album is like a good wine; the older it is, the better it is (and the fact that the Stones make its value easier to seen by releasing mediocre albums one after other ever since). It is a shining star in Stones productivity during the 80's by a mile, and I think it seriously challenges SOME GIRLS and GOATS HEAD SOUP from the title of best post-EXILE album.

TATTOO YOU, if any album, is a masterpiece by accident.

- Doxa

The funny thing with this "Cut and paste-job" is that the sound is almost consistant throughout the album, even though it's recorded during different periods and in different studios.

The guitars on SMU, Hang Fire, Slave, Little T+A, Black Limousine, Worried About You and Tops, for instance, sound like they're from the same recording session.

Some ace-work from Chris Kimsey made this album brilliant, as well as Mick's new vocals.

The dynamics in the album have been discuss on countless occasions, but needs to be mentioned: The rocking A-side and the more mellow B-side - genius!

My first Stones album, and still one of my favorites

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Doxa

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crumbling_mice
On reflection Tattoo You is a bloody good album. Hence the reason I went out and had it tattooed on my forearm all those years ago!

Yes it is. It is funny album because it doesn't fit very well to anything. I mean, it is very difficult to write it as some kind of big or relevant or important album. It doesn't have any good 'story' over it. We know its "copy and paste" nature - which made it kind of retro album already in 1981, and not adding anything new and exciting to Stones vocabulary. It doesn't generally mean anything in the 80's music scene. Just an album of old farts who had done their really relevant music years earlier (and, as we have recently seen, not even SOME GIRLS is that big album as we have tend to think)

But it is just incredibly great album by its own terms. I have always have mixed emotions about its true value since it was my first Stones album and the very reason why I was once hooked. For years I thought that I am way too subjective about it, but now when the years go by, it starts to look like that the album is like a good wine; the older it is, the better it is (and the fact that the Stones make its value easier to seen by releasing mediocre albums one after other ever since). It is a shining star in Stones productivity during the 80's by a mile, and I think it seriously challenges SOME GIRLS and GOATS HEAD SOUP from the title of best post-EXILE album.

TATTOO YOU, if any album, is a masterpiece by accident.

- Doxa

The funny thing with this "Cut and paste-job" is that the sound is almost consistant throughout the album, even though it's recorded during different periods and in different studios.

The guitars on SMU, Hang Fire, Slave, Little T+A, Black Limousine, Worried About You and Tops, for instance, sound like they're from the same recording session.

Some ace-work from Chris Kimsey made this album brilliant, as well as Mick's new vocals.

The dynamics in the album have been discuss on countless occasions, but needs to be mentioned: The rocking A-side and the more mellow B-side - genius!

My first Stones album, and still one of my favorites

Yeah. The miracle of TATTOO YOU is that how consistent and coherent it sounds. Like you said, like the guitars coming from the same session. And the songs fiiting so well to each other. But still there is so much diversity and depth in it. Maybe it is the very reason that the songs derive from different sessions (even eras) that makes TATTOO YOU so interesring to listen to. They are not just stuck to a certain set of current ideas.

There is another reason I think that makes TATTOO YOU expectional. That of not having a single vision to offer. No, they rely on material they think for whatever reasons was not good or suitable enough to release before. I think there is a bit EXILE-like philosophy there: they are just relying on their own instincts, and not desperately trying to follow certain trends, or making easy shots. They trust on their own muse. For that reason I think there is maturity in the album. The material is not actually "easy" or relying on the obvious. It is not going through the motions like they have done since STEEL WHEELS or so, that is, they don't sound at all like copying themselves: no, all the songs and sounds sound so genuine and honest. They feel and breathe the songs, the music. And the fact that they have a nerve to release a long jam like "Slave" in it, speaks volumes of their artistic braveness there.

Also in the microcosmos of the songs there is so much depthness and space and time enough to develop the ideas. Every little details sound so delicious sound-and lyricalwise. Jagger's vocals are simply phenomenal. He really carries the songs and tell tales with his voice and words. So rich voice, and never sings the verse or even chorus simlar way - always find a new angle, or little variation to keep it intersting. Yeah, "Worried About Tou" and "Tops" might be the obvious ones in that sense but also the vocals in "Slave" are simply wonderful. He knows how to add his bit. Also when doing little is very effective. The guy had the intuitions absolutely right at the time.

- Doxa

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On reflection Tattoo You is a bloody good album. Hence the reason I went out and had it tattooed on my forearm all those years ago!

Yes it is. It is funny album because it doesn't fit very well to anything. I mean, it is very difficult to write it as some kind of big or relevant or important album. It doesn't have any good 'story' over it. We know its "copy and paste" nature - which made it kind of retro album already in 1981, and not adding anything new and exciting to Stones vocabulary. It doesn't generally mean anything in the 80's music scene. Just an album of old farts who had done their really relevant music years earlier (and, as we have recently seen, not even SOME GIRLS is that big album as we have tend to think)

But it is just incredibly great album by its own terms. I have always have mixed emotions about its true value since it was my first Stones album and the very reason why I was once hooked. For years I thought that I am way too subjective about it, but now when the years go by, it starts to look like that the album is like a good wine; the older it is, the better it is (and the fact that the Stones make its value easier to seen by releasing mediocre albums one after other ever since). It is a shining star in Stones productivity during the 80's by a mile, and I think it seriously challenges SOME GIRLS and GOATS HEAD SOUP from the title of best post-EXILE album.

TATTOO YOU, if any album, is a masterpiece by accident.

- Doxa

The funny thing with this "Cut and paste-job" is that the sound is almost consistant throughout the album, even though it's recorded during different periods and in different studios.

The guitars on SMU, Hang Fire, Slave, Little T+A, Black Limousine, Worried About You and Tops, for instance, sound like they're from the same recording session.

Some ace-work from Chris Kimsey made this album brilliant, as well as Mick's new vocals.

The dynamics in the album have been discuss on countless occasions, but needs to be mentioned: The rocking A-side and the more mellow B-side - genius!

My first Stones album, and still one of my favorites

Yeah. The miracle of TATTOO YOU is that how consistent and coherent it sounds. Like you said, like the guitars coming from the same session. And the songs fiiting so well to each other. But still there is so much diversity and depth in it. Maybe it is the very reason that the songs derive from different sessions (even eras) that makes TATTOO YOU so interesring to listen to. They are not just stuck to a certain set of current ideas.

There is another reason I think that makes TATTOO YOU expectional. That of not having a single vision to offer. No, they rely on material they think for whatever reasons was not good or suitable enough to release before. I think there is a bit EXILE-like philosophy there: they are just relying on their own instincts, and not desperately trying to follow certain trends, or making easy shots. They trust on their own muse. For that reason I think there is maturity in the album. The material is not actually "easy" or relying on the obvious. It is not going through the motions like they have done since STEEL WHEELS or so, that is, they don't sound at all like copying themselves: no, all the songs and sounds sound so genuine and honest. They feel and breathe the songs, the music. And the fact that they have a nerve to release a long jam like "Slave" in it, speaks volumes of their artistic braveness there.

Also in the microcosmos of the songs there is so much depthness and space and time enough to develop the ideas. Every little details sound so delicious sound-and lyricalwise. Jagger's vocals are simply phenomenal. He really carries the songs and tell tales with his voice and words. So rich voice, and never sings the verse or even chorus simlar way - always find a new angle, or little variation to keep it intersting. Yeah, "Worried About Tou" and "Tops" might be the obvious ones in that sense but also the vocals in "Slave" are simply wonderful. He knows how to add his bit. Also when doing little is very effective. The guy had the intuitions absolutely right at the time.

- Doxa

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Mathijs
No one seems bothered about the fact that the only thing added to Slave after 1980 is the sax.

According to Chris Kimsey, Slave was revisted in '79 when all the vocals and guitar dubs by Ron Wood where done. This is the long outtake that is available, running a tad slow. They took this version in '81, wiped Wood's guitar, and added Rollin's sax.

Mathijs

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Rip This
..open the 2013 tour with Slave....make it the modern day version of 75/76 when they opened with another great groove...Honkey Tonk Women...best opener ever.

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Stoneage
Just to stir it up a bit. Every good album needs a hit song. SMU does the trick on TY. Without SMU TY would have been a mediocre album.

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On reflection Tattoo You is a bloody good album. Hence the reason I went out and had it tattooed on my forearm all those years ago!

Yes it is. It is funny album because it doesn't fit very well to anything. I mean, it is very difficult to write it as some kind of big or relevant or important album. It doesn't have any good 'story' over it. We know its "copy and paste" nature - which made it kind of retro album already in 1981, and not adding anything new and exciting to Stones vocabulary. It doesn't generally mean anything in the 80's music scene. Just an album of old farts who had done their really relevant music years earlier (and, as we have recently seen, not even SOME GIRLS is that big album as we have tend to think)

But it is just incredibly great album by its own terms. I have always have mixed emotions about its true value since it was my first Stones album and the very reason why I was once hooked. For years I thought that I am way too subjective about it, but now when the years go by, it starts to look like that the album is like a good wine; the older it is, the better it is (and the fact that the Stones make its value easier to seen by releasing mediocre albums one after other ever since). It is a shining star in Stones productivity during the 80's by a mile, and I think it seriously challenges SOME GIRLS and GOATS HEAD SOUP from the title of best post-EXILE album.

TATTOO YOU, if any album, is a masterpiece by accident.

- Doxa

The funny thing with this "Cut and paste-job" is that the sound is almost consistant throughout the album, even though it's recorded during different periods and in different studios.

The guitars on SMU, Hang Fire, Slave, Little T+A, Black Limousine, Worried About You and Tops, for instance, sound like they're from the same recording session.

Some ace-work from Chris Kimsey made this album brilliant, as well as Mick's new vocals.

The dynamics in the album have been discuss on countless occasions, but needs to be mentioned: The rocking A-side and the more mellow B-side - genius!

My first Stones album, and still one of my favorites

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Nasty Habits
I have to say I think Slave is probably my favourite post 1980 track it has a great groove to it and if I'm not mistaken I think it's a Fender Rhodes piano on that track, well that just sounds awesome. Shame they didn't play it on the 81 tour. I think Worried about you and Tops are close behind it. Definitely the best 3 tracks off of Tattoo you. I think it's because those tracks originally date back to recoding sessions from the era between Exile and Black and Blue.

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Nasty Habits
I have to say I think Slave is probably my favourite post 1980 track it has a great groove to it and if I'm not mistaken I think it's a Fender Rhodes piano on that track, well that just sounds awesome. Shame they didn't play it on the 81 tour. I think Worried about you and Tops are close behind it. Definitely the best 3 tracks off of Tattoo you. I think it's because those tracks originally date back to recoding sessions from the era between Exile and Black and Blue.

I think we have extremely similar tastes!