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Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Sipuncula ()
Date: March 13, 2012 03:18

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Sipuncula
I've heard about this, but is there any video/audio proof, other than from the horse's mouth?

I read about it in Martin Elliott's book, The Complete Rolling Stones Recording Sessions. It went something like, "Keith wryly recalls falling asleep during a live rendition of Fool to Cry."

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he nodded off for 2-3 seconds.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 13, 2012 03:35

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Sipuncula
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Sipuncula
I've heard about this, but is there any video/audio proof, other than from the horse's mouth?

I read about it in Martin Elliott's book, The Complete Rolling Stones Recording Sessions. It went something like, "Keith wryly recalls falling asleep during a live rendition of Fool to Cry."

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he nodded off for 2-3 seconds.

It was actually an "out of body" experience, but he didn't know it.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: March 13, 2012 04:18

I remember first reading that in the Barbara Charone book, and it was said sarcastically, as if the song was so lame that Keith couldn't stay awake or whatever.
Actually, I think Keith nodded off quite frequently in those years....sometimes maybe even with his eyes open.
Trouble with Keith is that he turns these things into shots at Mick, 'Yeah, I nodded off during 'Fool To Cry' he he he he...'
He looks, or used to look back at his junkie behavior as just .....Being Keef.

Mick was in charge then for a reason, but Keith likes to pretend it wasn't because he was a heroin addict.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: March 13, 2012 04:54

I have also been put to sleep by Fool To Cry. Crazy Mama usually came around like smelling salts eventually.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: March 13, 2012 05:13

It's strange that people make so much of Keith's heroin addiction when by his own admission it has only been for 10 or 11 years out of the 50 we have had the Stones and their music. It certainly "fit" Keith for a time, who could wish for any change in the music that came from that period?

It is a fact that some people just outgrow the whole scene and don't need to get all recovery focused and that they can even laugh about the experience. I don't mind if Keith is in denial about any of his behaviour, it's none of my/your business really. peace

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 13, 2012 05:14

"Fool to cry" is such a boring song.... that sometimes..... I yaaaaaaaaawwn.... fall asleep.... just typing.... about...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Date: March 13, 2012 05:27

Keith fell asleep while playing Fool To Cry while watching Muddy paint the ceiling after he fell out of a coconut tree after having his blood changed after he hit the guy on stage on the head with his guitar.

Any others? I've lost track.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: March 13, 2012 09:20

Fool to Cry is terrible.

It's a Mick song.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: DiscoVolante ()
Date: March 13, 2012 09:27

No Fool To Cry is brilliant, one of their best ballads!

And Keith used to nod all the time while on heroin, at shows, at rehearsals.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-03-13 09:30 by DiscoVolante.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 13, 2012 09:39

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GravityBoy
Fool to Cry is terrible.

I agree with this, I never like d this one...




AH UUUUUUU MOOOOOOO...
MOOOOOOO OOOOH DADDY YUUUUUR A MOOOOOO..LLLL TO CRY...


It sounds like it could be sung by cows..... smiling smiley





No offense meant to anyone who loves this song... more power to you, but
it ALWAYS grated on me..... I said ... LETS ROCK NOT.... MOOOOOOOOOOOO


Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stones_serb ()
Date: March 13, 2012 10:18

I always thought it was one of their best songs.Well, each to their own.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: DiscoVolante ()
Date: March 13, 2012 10:27

The only thing that bothers me about Fool To Cry is that it's about Jaggers daughter. With another lyrical theme it could be a drop dead gorgeous love song. Now it's just about fathership and I can't relate to that.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Date: March 13, 2012 11:42

Love the song, but re. the lyrics I feel the same as Disco Volante.
And IMO Keith's contribution to the song, studio and live is very good. The Wah is more subtle on studio rendition, but essential. And in the end part when it goes to the Dm Keith steps up.
On live stage he pretty much uses the song for a solo-ing workout.
The recording does exist on "Low Tide Fair Hits", the Berlin gig in 76.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stones_serb ()
Date: March 13, 2012 12:14

Does anyone have some of the more recent live renditions of the song?I'm interested in hearing them.I know it was performed a handful of times during No Security tour.Would love to get into the possession of the good sounding version.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: SwayStones ()
Date: March 13, 2012 12:24

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GravityBoy
Fool to Cry is terrible.

It's a Mick song.

I love Fool to Cry .I love the outtakes from the bootleg.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: March 13, 2012 14:01

Fool to cry is cheesey.

No two ways about it.

It's almost up there with Little Jimmy Osmond "Long Haired Lover from Liverpool".

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Sipuncula ()
Date: March 13, 2012 14:20

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Palace Revolution 2000
The recording does exist on "Low Tide Fair Hits", the Berlin gig in 76.

The recording where he falls asleep? Now we're getting somewhere.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: CousinC ()
Date: March 13, 2012 18:05

It's like you said in the first post. He didn't sleep. Just nodded off for a few seconds or shorter as it often happens with opiates. On the 76 tour I remember that happen a few times.
Like Streets of Love Fool to cry tended to come over better live than on record.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Zack ()
Date: March 13, 2012 20:03

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Sipuncula
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Palace Revolution 2000
The recording does exist on "Low Tide Fair Hits", the Berlin gig in 76.

The recording where he falls asleep? Now we're getting somewhere.

What, can you hear him snoring?

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: Sipuncula ()
Date: March 13, 2012 21:18

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Zack
What, can you hear him snoring?

No, that's the original Satisfaction demo tape.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: swiss ()
Date: March 14, 2012 03:42

So, if it's Wayne Perkins doing most of the guitar work here (below), what was Keith's eventual contribution on the completed studio track?





thanks
swiss

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: March 14, 2012 04:02

Thanks Swiss. This is nice. Always loved that piano. Nicky?

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stones78 ()
Date: March 14, 2012 04:33

Maybe Keith did feel asleep during some gig, but at one the shows in Paris in 1976 he plays wonderful solos and licks on this song.




Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: March 14, 2012 06:06

Good song, (although not even the best ballad on Black and Blue).

Shows the diversity, they can do well in almost any genre and make it their own.

I don't think I'd own more than 3 Stones albums if all they did was rework the Chuck Berry riff endlessly.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stonesdan60 ()
Date: March 14, 2012 10:09

Always had mixed emotions about FTC - pun intended. It's not a bad song but I thought it was the wrong choice for the first single from Black and Blue (at least it was in the US, not sure about elsewhere). A lot of people I knew got the impression that the Stones had really gone lame. I always liked for the first single from any Stones album to be a rocker. Even Miss You had everybody beating the "gone disco" outcry that started with Hot Stuff. Of course, Miss You is a much more compelling song than Fool To Cry. (IMO)

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: pgarof ()
Date: March 14, 2012 10:39

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GravityBoy
Fool to Cry is terrible.

It's a Mick song.

If you take away Micks songs or Keith songs from them it just would not be the Stones, it has to have the mix of Jagger and Richards in all the records to give it the balance. Great song I think.

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Date: March 14, 2012 10:55

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stones78
Maybe Keith did feel asleep during some gig, but at one the shows in Paris in 1976 he plays wonderful solos and licks on this song.



I think that clip is from the Barcelona show. Regardless it still has some good playing by Keith. I always preferred his playing here from Paris 76.



Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: March 14, 2012 14:14

There is a studio version with a lead guitar; is it KR?

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: March 14, 2012 18:53

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stonesdan60
Always had mixed emotions about FTC - pun intended. It's not a bad song but I thought it was the wrong choice for the first single from Black and Blue (at least it was in the US, not sure about elsewhere). A lot of people I knew got the impression that the Stones had really gone lame. I always liked for the first single from any Stones album to be a rocker. Even Miss You had everybody beating the "gone disco" outcry that started with Hot Stuff. Of course, Miss You is a much more compelling song than Fool To Cry. (IMO)

I always saw this song as Jagger's version of a great Bobby Bland or Bobby Womack song. The 70s were a great period for urban soul and Jagger had gone way beyond his original influences and tapping into that: Tower of Power,early Tavares. even Hall and Oats........ Worried About You was an extension of that, as was Miss You. How could that be lame?

Re: Did Keith really fall asleep during Fool to Cry?
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: March 14, 2012 18:56

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pgarof
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GravityBoy
Fool to Cry is terrible.

It's a Mick song.

If you take away Micks songs or Keith songs from them it just would not be the Stones, it has to have the mix of Jagger and Richards in all the records to give it the balance. Great song I think.

Yeah, but who is most likely to come up with cheesey tunes?

Mick has strong cheesey genes.

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