Is this the Stones?

Sounds like Jagger, but the feel is so different from the Stones in 1967.
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It's the Stones, but the track is from their appearance on SUNDAY NIGHT AT THE LONDON PALLADIUM.

Courtesy of Nico [nzentgraf.de]:


670118A 18th - 19th January: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
Oldham. Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Pre-recordings for ‘Sunday Night
At The London Palladium’-show (see 670122A). Incl. (all unverified):
- It's All Over Now 1 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -broken off
- It's All Over Now 2 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -rehearsal
- It's All Over Now 3 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -used backing track

"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

This is true, I have the "Studio" recordings from the Olympic Studio
sessions for the London Palladium Show. I have three different takes of "It's All Over Now". One take has the guitar mixed way up front. All versions I have of "It's All Over Now" have vocals. But the version of Connections I have is just instrumental no vocals. I believe the Stones had to rerecord their
tracks as BBC had union rules about miming to songs at that time. Although
their Top of The Pops appearance for L.S.T.N.T. & Ruby Tuesday just days
later were both playback, While "She Smiled Sweetly" from the Feb. 5th
Eamonn Andrews was live??? So who knows what the story is?

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Rocky Dijon
It's the Stones, but the track is from their appearance on SUNDAY NIGHT AT THE LONDON PALLADIUM.

Courtesy of Nico [nzentgraf.de]:


670118A 18th - 19th January: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
Oldham. Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Pre-recordings for ‘Sunday Night
At The London Palladium’-show (see 670122A). Incl. (all unverified):
- It's All Over Now 1 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -broken off
- It's All Over Now 2 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -rehearsal
- It's All Over Now 3 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -used backing track

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VideoJames
This is true, I have the "Studio" recordings from the Olympic Studio
sessions for the London Palladium Show. I have three different takes of "It's All Over Now". One take has the guitar mixed way up front. All versions I have of "It's All Over Now" have vocals. But the version of Connections I have is just instrumental no vocals. I believe the Stones had to rerecord their
tracks as BBC had union rules about miming to songs at that time. Although
their Top of The Pops appearance for L.S.T.N.T. & Ruby Tuesday just days
later were both playback, While "She Smiled Sweetly" from the Feb. 5th
Eamonn Andrews was live??? So who knows what the story is?

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Rocky Dijon
It's the Stones, but the track is from their appearance on SUNDAY NIGHT AT THE LONDON PALLADIUM.

Courtesy of Nico [nzentgraf.de]:


670118A 18th - 19th January: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
Oldham. Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Pre-recordings for ‘Sunday Night
At The London Palladium’-show (see 670122A). Incl. (all unverified):
- It's All Over Now 1 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -broken off
- It's All Over Now 2 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -rehearsal
- It's All Over Now 3 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -used backing track

Thanks for that info James. Sunday Night At The London Palladium was not on the BBC, rather it was on ITV (Independent Television). We had 3 channels back then, BBC 1, BBC 2 and ITV which was regional so different companies shared and made their own programmes. Examples of these companies were ABC-TV, Associated Rediffusion, Grampian, Border, TWW etc... A show as big as Sunday Night ATLP was shown on all the different networks. This is why researching TV appearances is a nightmare - each region had it's own listings guide and many central records got lost or dumped when the franchises changed hands. The BBC keep meticulous records of all their radio and TV programmes even if they didn't keep the programmes themselves,
The Musicians Union rule led to a change on (for example) Top Of The Pops (BBC TV) and bands would have to have some kind of live element usually some live singing. Sometimes backing tracks would be slightly different or even significantly different. Good example - The Move, Fire Brigade which you can see on youtube.
Sunday Night At The London Palladium was always live as far as I know (Cliff Richard, The Shadows, Beatles etc..) but it could well be that by 1967, the Stones could have requested that they use some pre-prepared backing tracks to ensure the sound was half-decent. This may have been a condition for them appearing. TV sound for live pop music performances was always notoriously inconsistent even on more specialist shows like Ready Steady Go.
Hope that helps.

Hi ash:

Thank you for your info. Yes, I did know S.N.A.T.L.P. was on ITV, but I seem to always say BBC as the all encompassing of U.K. TV shows. A mistake I must correct. I agree the Stones probably wanted the best sounding recording
of the TV appearance so the rerecorded those songs. Mick has always been unhappy with how the Stones sounded on many a TV shows. Some of the shows they sounded horrible and not their fault. And Yes, I have found over the years finding TV dates and what was recorded and when, a real difficult problem. So much has been lost thrown out or erased. But thanks again for your input.VJ

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VideoJames
This is true, I have the "Studio" recordings from the Olympic Studio
sessions for the London Palladium Show. I have three different takes of "It's All Over Now". One take has the guitar mixed way up front. All versions I have of "It's All Over Now" have vocals. But the version of Connections I have is just instrumental no vocals. I believe the Stones had to rerecord their
tracks as BBC had union rules about miming to songs at that time. Although
their Top of The Pops appearance for L.S.T.N.T. & Ruby Tuesday just days
later were both playback, While "She Smiled Sweetly" from the Feb. 5th
Eamonn Andrews was live??? So who knows what the story is?

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Rocky Dijon
It's the Stones, but the track is from their appearance on SUNDAY NIGHT AT THE LONDON PALLADIUM.

Courtesy of Nico [nzentgraf.de]:


670118A 18th - 19th January: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
Oldham. Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Pre-recordings for ‘Sunday Night
At The London Palladium’-show (see 670122A). Incl. (all unverified):
- It's All Over Now 1 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -broken off
- It's All Over Now 2 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -rehearsal
- It's All Over Now 3 (Bobby and Shirley Womack) -used backing track

Thanks for that info James. Sunday Night At The London Palladium was not on the BBC, rather it was on ITV (Independent Television). We had 3 channels back then, BBC 1, BBC 2 and ITV which was regional so different companies shared and made their own programmes. Examples of these companies were ABC-TV, Associated Rediffusion, Grampian, Border, TWW etc... A show as big as Sunday Night ATLP was shown on all the different networks. This is why researching TV appearances is a nightmare - each region had it's own listings guide and many central records got lost or dumped when the franchises changed hands. The BBC keep meticulous records of all their radio and TV programmes even if they didn't keep the programmes themselves,
The Musicians Union rule led to a change on (for example) Top Of The Pops (BBC TV) and bands would have to have some kind of live element usually some live singing. Sometimes backing tracks would be slightly different or even significantly different. Good example - The Move, Fire Brigade which you can see on youtube.
Sunday Night At The London Palladium was always live as far as I know (Cliff Richard, The Shadows, Beatles etc..) but it could well be that by 1967, the Stones could have requested that they use some pre-prepared backing tracks to ensure the sound was half-decent. This may have been a condition for them appearing. TV sound for live pop music performances was always notoriously inconsistent even on more specialist shows like Ready Steady Go.
Hope that helps.

From the sleevenotes to our new EP ( [www.1960s.london] )

"Sunday Night At The London Palladium

January 22nd 1967

1. Introduction
2. Connection ( Jagger / Richard)
3. Ruby Tuesday ( Jagger / Richard)
4. It’s All Over Now (Womack / Womack)
5. Let’s Spend The Night Together ( Jagger / Richard)

Mick Jagger – Vocals
Keith Richard – Guitar, Vocals
Brian Jones – Guitar
Bill Wyman – Bass
Charlie Watts – Drums

Sleeve notes: RG Jones


By 1967 Sunday Night At The London Palladium was essential family viewing. How would the Stones manage to maintain their bad boy reputation whilst still promoting their latest single? Easy. At the end of each show all the artists mounted a rotating roundabout and smiled and waved. Not the Stones. “ I thought we’d gone far enough by doing the show” claimed Jagger. “Anyway, Andrew and I had a great row about it which made an excellent front page in the Daily Mirror which I was very pleased with. “ That would be Andrew Loog Oldham, Stones manager and media manipulator supreme.

The way the band looked was equally divisive. In the NME for January 28th fan Sue Baxter acclaimed the Stones appearance “Brilliant! Who else but them would dare to appear in the gear they wore?”. However reader Tony Hughes from Glamorgan was less impressed “in very bad taste…they could have made an effort to look reasonably respectable.”

Coming a poor third to outrage and appearance was the music. Connection is an audacious start, featuring Keith Richard’s debut lead vocal. Then follows a version of Ruby Tuesday with live vocals over a prepared backing track. Side Two opens with a radically different arrangement of It's All Over Now, specially recorded at Olympic Studios. Finally an ebullient Let’s Spend The Night Together, again with live vocals.

If only they’d played Around and Around…"

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VideoJames
While "She Smiled Sweetly" from the Feb. 5th
Eamonn Andrews was live??? So who knows what the story is?

I thought only Mick appeared on Eamonn Andrews? I could be mistaken, but I thought it was a sit-down interview and then Mick at an organ miming "She Smiled Sweetly."
In any event, I believe it is lost.

Incidentally, Mr. Karnbach, have there been any other requests your way pointing to archival releases such as the lost 1972 live album or the Goats Head Soup deluxe edition or Paris 1976, Knebworth, or El Mocambo? I realize you may not be able to comment about whether Universal or the Stones camp have reached out to since EXILE/SOME GIRLS deluxe editions were produced. Thank you regardless. It's always a treat when you turn up here.

The mood is quite different from the other 1967 live tracks, which are frenzy, speedy and blurred by screaming... This one is live, but with an unusual coolness, and this is maybe due to the TV show context, which is not a real gig.. It just a guess... And it strays away from the way they have played It's All Over Now over the years... Be it in 1964, 1973 or 1995. This one has a feeling of unrehearsed thing, rather than a well-shaped number they played every night.. I like it..

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johnnythunders
From the sleevenotes to our new EP ( [www.1960s.london] )

"Sunday Night At The London Palladium

January 22nd 1967

1. Introduction
2. Connection ( Jagger / Richard)
3. Ruby Tuesday ( Jagger / Richard)
4. It’s All Over Now (Womack / Womack)
5. Let’s Spend The Night Together ( Jagger / Richard)

Mick Jagger – Vocals
Keith Richard – Guitar, Vocals
Brian Jones – Guitar
Bill Wyman – Bass
Charlie Watts – Drums

Sleeve notes: RG Jones


By 1967 Sunday Night At The London Palladium was essential family viewing. How would the Stones manage to maintain their bad boy reputation whilst still promoting their latest single? Easy. At the end of each show all the artists mounted a rotating roundabout and smiled and waved. Not the Stones. “ I thought we’d gone far enough by doing the show” claimed Jagger. “Anyway, Andrew and I had a great row about it which made an excellent front page in the Daily Mirror which I was very pleased with. “ That would be Andrew Loog Oldham, Stones manager and media manipulator supreme.

The way the band looked was equally divisive. In the NME for January 28th fan Sue Baxter acclaimed the Stones appearance “Brilliant! Who else but them would dare to appear in the gear they wore?”. However reader Tony Hughes from Glamorgan was less impressed “in very bad taste…they could have made an effort to look reasonably respectable.”

Coming a poor third to outrage and appearance was the music. Connection is an audacious start, featuring Keith Richard’s debut lead vocal. Then follows a version of Ruby Tuesday with live vocals over a prepared backing track. Side Two opens with a radically different arrangement of It's All Over Now, specially recorded at Olympic Studios. Finally an ebullient Let’s Spend The Night Together, again with live vocals.

If only they’d played Around and Around…"

[www.45cat.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Wow what a find! They're really developing their live chops here. This song got an interesting treatment during the Winter 72 tour, but this version may be even cooler. The stops and starts kind of remind me of Live With Me. Thanks for posting.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-12-08 05:09 by ryanpow.

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ryanpow
Wow what a find! They're really developing their live chops here. This song got an interesting treatment during the Winter 72 tour, but this version may be even cooler. The stops and starts kind of remind me of Live With Me. Thanks for posting.

Thanks. That was I was trying to say from the first. Maybe interesting to know exact day, version, etc.. But the real thing is that uncommon feel for a 1966 live song.. "Developing their live chops here" is very accurate... Fist time I hear them venture in such a nasty, binary slow groove... You are right, this groove leads the way to other songs... Memo From Turner is one of them... Or Under My Thumb/I'm Free live version 1969...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-12-08 16:59 by The Joker.