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His Majesty
The threads point only works if you view things through stones tinted glasses.
or if you know how to read
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The threads point only works if you view things through stones tinted glasses.
or if you know how to read
and/or have minimal knowledge about touring rock bands in late 1960's.
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hbwriter
i don't think this premise (if you understand it) has been debunked here - not even close - but we can respectfully disagree -
"Rock critic Robert Christgau called it "history's first mythic rock and roll tour",while rock critic Dave Marsh would write that the tour was "part of rock and roll legend" and one of the "benchmarks of an era."
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The first true arena tour by a major band, one that featured actual PAs, lights and a portable stage. This tour essentially created what we think of as an arena show today
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some other interesting bits on this tour - a dedicated thematic poster
[upload.wikimedia.org]
and some of what became the first modern "bootleg" recordings
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The threads point only works if you view things through stones tinted glasses.
or if you know how to read
and/or have minimal knowledge about touring rock bands in late 1960's.
i don't think this premise (if you understand it) has been debunked here - not even close - but we can respectfully disagree -
"Rock critic Robert Christgau called it "history's first mythic rock and roll tour",while rock critic Dave Marsh would write that the tour was "part of rock and roll legend" and one of the "benchmarks of an era."
You mean when they played the whisky? The fillmores east and west? The bvoston tea party? DoQuote
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i don't think this premise (if you understand it) has been debunked here - not even close - but we can respectfully disagree -
"Rock critic Robert Christgau called it "history's first mythic rock and roll tour",while rock critic Dave Marsh would write that the tour was "part of rock and roll legend" and one of the "benchmarks of an era."Led Zeppelin's tours as headline act from Spring - Autumn 1969 all before The Rolling Stones 1969 US tour debunk the premise of the thread and the lacking in fact opinionated babble of rock critics.Quote
hbwriter
The first true arena tour by a major band, one that featured actual PAs, lights and a portable stage. This tour essentially created what we think of as an arena show today
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You mean when they played the whisky? The fillmores east and west? The bvoston tea party? Do
Maybe you need a little critical babble (and while I get that you are trying to insult me- I am not a "rock critic")
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not to get into a flame war, i like your stuff a lot and you know the stones very well. but i've been to both places, too. so one way to identify the location is the PA. did LA have it on the stage like they do in this picture? plus, never saw this picture until recently in a MOJO, or uncut, or classic rock, whatever and they identify the town as phoenix.
also just noticed. look at the seats and how the go up. the forum has that walkway all around the arena but this one does not.
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some other interesting bits on this tour - a dedicated thematic poster
[upload.wikimedia.org]
and some of what became the first modern "bootleg" recordings
Dylan's 'Great White Wonder' came out in July '69, and The Beatles' 'Kum Back' was out from September '69.
Presumably you mean it was the first concert tour to be featured on 'live' bootleg recordings (ie 'Live R Than You'll Ever Be') ?
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You mean when they played the whisky? The fillmores east and west? The bvoston tea party? Do
Maybe you need a little critical babble (and while I get that you are trying to insult me- I am not a "rock critic")
How about Detroit Olympia and Boston Garden which Led Zeppelin played in a month or so before The Rolling Stones did?
You posted some quotes by rock critics, my comment about them is about them.
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You mean when they played the whisky? The fillmores east and west? The bvoston tea party? Do
Maybe you need a little critical babble (and while I get that you are trying to insult me- I am not a "rock critic")
How about Detroit Olympia and Boston Garden which Led Zeppelin played in a month or so before The Rolling Stones did?
You posted some quotes by rock critics, my comment about them is about them.
gotcha - thank you clarifying - and those arena one offs by Zeppelin prove nothing in my opinion - they were on a debut run - a total piecemeal adventure - that tour changed nothing in terms of how bands tour - it was a cut and paste job - it was primarily a small to mid-size venue run - very scattershot without any sort of grand plan, theme, gear, staging, etc.
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You mean when they played the whisky? The fillmores east and west? The bvoston tea party? Do
Maybe you need a little critical babble (and while I get that you are trying to insult me- I am not a "rock critic")
How about Detroit Olympia and Boston Garden which Led Zeppelin played in a month or so before The Rolling Stones did?
You posted some quotes by rock critics, my comment about them is about them.
gotcha - thank you clarifying - and those arena one offs by Zeppelin prove nothing in my opinion - they were on a debut run - a total piecemeal adventure - that tour changed nothing in terms of how bands tour - it was a cut and paste job - it was primarily a small to mid-size venue run - very scattershot without any sort of grand plan, theme, gear, staging, etc.
Lol, you are talking crap now.
Is a 4th tour of USA counted as a debut run?
One offs? How many arena's do they need to play for them to not be deemed one off's?
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sundevil
not to get into a flame war, i like your stuff a lot and you know the stones very well. but i've been to both places, too. so one way to identify the location is the PA. did LA have it on the stage like they do in this picture? plus, never saw this picture until recently in a MOJO, or uncut, or classic rock, whatever and they identify the town as phoenix.
also just noticed. look at the seats and how the go up. the forum has that walkway all around the arena but this one does not.
hey- your info on phoenix was really interesting - i had no idea they were gone for so long! back to this - there's no walkway up top at the forum - just around the center "senate" area -
look at this zeppelin 70s shot - at the Forum - i cobbled together a comparison - see how it matches? The crescent arc of the seats - (and magazines get stuff wrong all the time)
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Chris, nothing is eluding me, I just think you are throwing far too much 'credit of influence' towards one tour by The Rolling Stones.
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belld
Excellent and interesting post. I have no forensic or analytical observations relating to the basic premise. All I wish to say is the Photographs bring back so many many memories and re-inforce my totally biased opinion that the Rolling Stones performed the most powerful and impressive live music in the history of rock. Now pouring a huge dram and lighting a decent havana and listening to Ya Ya`s. Thanks.
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Well, I know what Chris (Hbwriter) is trying to say. This was the first tour in 3 years by any of the Big Three (Beatles, Stones, Dylan), and 1969 certainly wasn't gonna be like 1966. Even if Cream, Hendrix, or whoever was playing arena before, this was certainly gonna be more scrutinized and remembered (even if Altamont had turned out as peaceful Monterey Pop). Funny, too, that the tour wasn't that long and some key markets were left out.
But I think what shouldn't be overlooked is the Beatles 1964 summer tour is really where all this began. That was the first tour of one-nighters in basketball/ hockey arenas around the States that we all grew up with and know about.
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this is from the moment that purportedly shows Johnny Thunders at the show - near center with long dark hair, i believe
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this is from the moment that purportedly shows Johnny Thunders at the show - near center with long dark hair, i believe