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superrevvy
here's the best defense of post-golden-age stones.
i've made this challenge before and had zero takers.
take any stones album from goat's head to bang and compare it to any other
commercially successful album from the same year
i did it. i went to billboard's site and compared the top 100 albums of
any of those years against the stones album from the same year and i came
up with zero albums that at this time i rate higher or listen to
more.
while i'm sure there will be peeps on this board that have a few albums here
and there that they still rate higher than the stones release from the same year,
i doubt seriously that there's very many or very much consensus on what those
superior records might be.
the stones rule! right up to 2006.
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superrevvy
the biggest clue is these people who cannot name any popular music they love
that is not really old AND that need to get on the case of those who can.
pure jealousy.
if they were happy with the music they supposedly still love, they wouldnt
feel the need to trash the music that others love. very sad people.
I'm not sure your analysis is entirely correct.
Could easily be, very old people, or , very lazy people, or, very busy people.
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superrevvy
the stones didnt die in 1977. you did.
I'm with 71 Tele here. Their muse died in the late 70s. But there is nothing strange with that. In fact they managed to stay relevant for an unusually long time - almost two decades. Few band have managed that. Time waits for no one...
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
In the end they'll still be remembered mainly for BEGGARS-EXILE, SOME GIRLS and TATTOO YOU.
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mgguy
Though somewhat redundant and repetitive, an interestsing thread nonetheless. I do think if the handful of critical thinkers here were forced from their comfortable, cyber anonymity and actually had some real-face conversation, they may well find themselves far more like minded than supposed.
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71Tele
Words is words. You can pile on a heap of 'em, but they won't make ABB a great album. The Stones have not made a decent album since Bill left, and even the couple before that were pretty spotty.
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Someone please point out the "Chuck Berry boogie" on A Bigger Bang.
Unless I missed it I didn't notice any excuse for Streets Of Love.
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71Tele
Words is words. You can pile on a heap of 'em, but they won't make ABB a great album. The Stones have not made a decent album since Bill left, and even the couple before that were pretty spotty.
Oh well, we're all entitled to our opinions and taste is subjective. For me, ABB is their best album since Some Girls and I enjoy the hell out of it.
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I've come to accept the fact that there are many who think the Stones haven't made a great album since Exile On Main Street, or Some Girls, etc. but also know there are some of us who don't see it that way. I just came across a great review of A Bigger Bang, which I couldn't agree with more. For the hell of it, here it is:
[www.timeisonourside.com]
Eight years separate 2005's A Bigger Bang, the Rolling Stones' 24th album of original material, from its 1997 predecessor, Bridges to Babylon, the longest stretch of time between Stones albums in history, but unlike the three-year gap between 1986's Dirty Work and 1989's Steel Wheels, the band never really went away. They toured steadily, not just behind Bridges but behind the career-spanning 2002 compilation Forty Licks... (A) bigger surprise is that A Bigger Bang finds that reinvigorated band carrying its latter-day renaissance into the studio, turning in a sinewy, confident, satisfying album that's the band's best in years... (T)here is a big difference between this album and 1994's Voodoo Lounge. That album was deliberately classicist, touching on all of the signatures of classic mid-period, late-'60s/early-'70s Stones - reviving the folk, country, and straight blues that balanced their trademark rockers - and while it was often successful, it very much sounded like the Stones trying to be the Stones. What distinguishes A Bigger Bang is that it captures the Stones simply being the Stones, playing without guest stars, not trying to have a hit, not trying to adopt the production style of the day, not doing anything but lying back and playing. Far from sounding like a lazy affair, the album rocks really hard, tearing out of the gate with Rough Justice, the toughest, sleaziest, and flat-out best song Jagger and Richards have come up with in years. It's not a red herring, either - She Saw Me Coming, Look What the Cat Dragged In, and the terrific Oh No Not You Again, which finds Mick spitting out lyrics with venom and zeal, are equally as hard and exciting... A Bigger Bang doesn't succeed simply because the Stones are great musicians, it also works because this is a strong set of Jagger-Richards originals - naturally, the songs don't rival their standards from the '60s and '70s, but the best songs here more than hold their own with the best of their post-Exile work, and there are more good songs here than on any Stones album since Some Girls.
This may not be a startling comeback along the lines of Bob Dylan's Love and Theft, but that's fine, because over the last three decades the Stones haven't been about surprises: they've been about reliability. The problem is, they haven't always lived up to their promises, or when they did deliver the goods, it was sporadic and unpredictable. And that's what's unexpected about A Bigger Bang: they finally hold up their end of the bargain, delivering a strong, engaging, cohesive Rolling Stones album that finds everybody in prime form. Keith is loose and limber, Charlie is tight and controlled, Ronnie lays down some thrilling, greasy slide guitar, and Mick is having a grand time, making dirty jokes, baiting neo-cons, and sounding more committed to the Stones than he has in years. Best of all, this is a record where the band acknowledges its age and doesn't make a big deal about it: they're not in denial, trying to act like a younger band, they've simply accepted what they do best and go about doing it as if it's no big deal. But that's what makes A Bigger Bang a big deal: it's the Stones back in fighting form for the first time in years, and they have both the strength and the stamina to make the excellent latter-day effort everybody's been waiting for all these years. 4/5
- Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All Music Guide, September 2005
Let's just get this out of the way: A Bigger Bang isn't a good Rolling Stones album considering their age. It isn't a good Rolling Stones album compared to their recent work. No, A Bigger Bang is just a straight-up, damn fine Rolling Stones album, with no qualifiers or apologies necessary for the first time in a few decades... Whether fueled by their notorious competitive camaraderie or inspired by their oldest mate's brush with mortality, the results sound like a genuine band effort - loose, scrappy and alive. A Bigger Bang recalls the best things about rough, underrated Stones albums like Dirty Work or Emotional Rescue, though it's also impressively consistent. The key here comes from surrendering to the groove. Most of the tracks are built around the incomparable spark that's lit when Keith's guitar and Charlie's drums lock into a rhythm. There's never been another team that can drive a band quite like these two, but on their post-Seventies work that magic has usually been buried in the mix. On hard-charging songs like It Won't Take Long or the rave-up single Rough Justice, the Stones reassert themselves as the World's Greatest Rock & Roll Band, and not just as the Greatest Show on Earth.
Mick and Keith have always said they want to grow old like the bluesmen they idolize, and on Bang they finally figure out how: The album revels in the Chuck Berry boogie and classic R&B pulse that's always been their lifeblood. The latter-day Glimmer Twins have often felt the need to coat their songs with layers of winking irony or studio gloss. Here, the dance-floor strut Rain Fall Down and the soul ballad Laugh, I Nearly Died are powerful because they're played straight, never turning cartoonish or mannered. Jagger's voice throughout is a knockout, deeper and more forceful than seems possible after forty-plus years of rocking the mike. The subject matter on A Bigger Bang, though, is thankfully a bit less mature. The album mostly sticks to familiar, nasty Stones territory: being heartbroken and breaking hearts, the evils that women (and, sometimes, men) do... Of course a disc that clocks in at sixty-four minutes (just two minutes less than Exile on Main Street) is too long. In their defense, there isn't a single track that's a real lemon... A Bigger Bang may not be a perception-shattering comeback like Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind/Love and Theft combo, but by returning to their roots and embracing their age, the Rolling Stones have come up with an album that's a worthy successor to their masterworks. Jagger and Richards are still standing - grumpy old men, full of piss and vinegar, spite and blues chords, and they wear it well. 4.5/5
- Alan Light, Rolling Stone, September 2005
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You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like. Never ever allow anybody to spoil your fun.
if someone's opinion that differs from your own spoils your fun, then you really didn't have much conviction in the first place and deserve to have your fun spoiled.
As I said before: You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
In the end they'll still be remembered mainly for BEGGARS-EXILE, SOME GIRLS and TATTOO YOU.
if you'd be so kind as to amend this to include the great 60's singles that put them on the map in the first place, i'd be happy to agree with your observation.
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Someone please point out the "Chuck Berry boogie" on A Bigger Bang.
Unless I missed it I didn't notice any excuse for Streets Of Love.
The ladies loved Streets Of Love.
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Someone please point out the "Chuck Berry boogie" on A Bigger Bang.
Unless I missed it I didn't notice any excuse for Streets Of Love.
The ladies loved Streets Of Love.
Did you read what that is in context to? Doesn't look like it. Obviously.
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In the end they'll still be remembered mainly for BEGGARS-EXILE, SOME GIRLS and TATTOO YOU.
if you'd be so kind as to amend this to include the great 60's singles that put them on the map in the first place, i'd be happy to agree with your observation.
Good point, although I was strictly talking about their 'classic' albums. I laughed when I read way back before the internet that the only album JJF and HTW could be found on was THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY, which caught me off guard at first because I had HOT ROCKS. Those UK BIG HITS compilations are spectualar albums of their singles.
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Someone please point out the "Chuck Berry boogie" on A Bigger Bang.
Unless I missed it I didn't notice any excuse for Streets Of Love.
The ladies loved Streets Of Love.
Did you read what that is in context to? Doesn't look like it. Obviously.
How many different ways can you take shots at Streets Of Love? We get it.
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superrevvy
the biggest clue is these people who cannot name any popular music they love
that is not really old AND that need to get on the case of those who can.
pure jealousy.
if they were happy with the music they supposedly still love, they wouldnt
feel the need to trash the music that others love. very sad people.
I'm not sure your analysis is entirely correct.
Could easily be, very old people, or , very lazy people, or, very busy people.
could be very tall people....short people got no reason to live, as we know....
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StonesTod
my hunch is that many fans, because they are big fans, want to like the latter-era albums and find themselves telling themselves they like them. i stopped doing that years ago and it's liberating...abb stinks...and it's ok to say that and still love the band. life's too short and there's too much music worth my attention to waste trying to like something that stinks.
WHAAT ??
I´m a big fan - and there´s nothing wrong with Bigger Bang - But I know why you dont like it - I think there´s lot of people who discovered the Stones back in the day (be it 60´s + or 70´s + or 80´s - and they are still on a constant nostalgia trip - and still holding on to their youths and not able to realize that Rollings Stones music hasnt really changed that much over the years.) Bigger Bang has more energy in production wise than Steel Wheels, Between The Buttons or Undercover put together...
Most of the Stones audience are not able to say if Stones are important in recent years or not - cause they only listen to music from the past - teenage years, sixties and seventies. If you live in the past and compare everything Stones do with the past - and dont follow whats going on these days with other bands - youre full of crap. Just a nostalgia for you, huh ?
So there. Dont tell me that I´m fooling myself when it comes to music - I have no problem saying that Led Zeppelin is the greatest cover band that ever lived - and nothing more, cause everything they ever did was a rip off, - Page and Plant are not songwriters - they dont write - they steal.
And when it comes to Stones - I agree with you on life being too short and there's too much music worth our attention to live in the past...like most Stones fans do. I can move on with the band if they keep releasing good songs, that´s why most of you Taylorits are ...
I can openly admit that Mick Taylors career after the Stones is nothing but a pathetic joke, He is overrated as a guitarist - cause his solo career sucks. Every Jagger solo album stinks, some of Charlies boogie woogie projects are boring as hell, Bill Wyman has written only one good song in his entire life and even that was a joke (- Pussy ) The best thing Keith has done in the recent years is Wingless Angels - hands down
- Keith seems to be the only one in the band who has balls to try out new things and come up with interesting results. Wingless Angels is amazing. Lot of rude marks that Keith made in his book about Mick were true, - starting with Micks pretentious stage moves and desperate attemps at being commercial. Superheavy ..oh please, it´s so horrible.. dont get me started on that...that speaks for itself and kinda proofs that Keith was right about Mick in that book of his.
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71Tele
Words is words. You can pile on a heap of 'em, but they won't make ABB a great album. The Stones have not made a decent album since Bill left, and even the couple before that were pretty spotty.
Oh well, we're all entitled to our opinions and taste is subjective. For me, ABB is their best album since Some Girls and I enjoy the hell out of it.
I agree.
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71Tele
Words is words. You can pile on a heap of 'em, but they won't make ABB a great album. The Stones have not made a decent album since Bill left, and even the couple before that were pretty spotty.
Bridges produced three of the greatest Stones songs ever.
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24FPS
The reason I find this relevant is that Mick is still writing great lyrics and still delivering good vocals. (I still don't get the mannered/nasal critics).
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StonesTod
aside from exile in '72, my favorite records from any given year the stones released one would NOT be from the stones...