Which studio version of 'Everybody Needs Somebody to Love' do you prefer?

It was released on 'The Rolling Stones No. 2' w/ a great bouncy bass line & on 'The Rolling Stones, NOW!' w/ a looser jam feel that sounds so raw & great.

Though on 'NOW!' It was misreleased as the wrong take.

I don't know how the wrong take was released but I'm glad we have it.

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

The rawer 'Now' version, of course!

The Now cassette version (aka the third version).

The one on No. 2 for me.

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The Now cassette version (aka the third version).

Never heard about that one! What's the difference to the other two versions - a totally different (3rd) take or just mixing/editing differences?



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The long 5 minute version of course. Just perfect.

The Solomon Burke original. The Stones covers do nothing for me, I'm afraid. But then Under The Boardwalk also has the same effect.

How about this one, tom! Great to hear all their perspectives, clearly they were thrilled to be on stage with Burke.


The Rolling Stones & Solomon Burke - Everybody Needs Somebody (Live)



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..issued in january 1965 (UK) the long version is really great..! I can't understand they used the other one on "RS now"...I have read somewhere it was a tape error...

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How about this one, tom! Great to hear all their perspectives, clearly they were thrilled to be on stage for Burke.


The Rolling Stones & Solomon Burke - Everybody Needs Somebody (Live)



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Yes, that appeals;Solomon also does a great version of I Got The Blues.

This version.................

side 1 Everybody needs somebody to love
side 2 Street fighting man/Suprise, suprise
Decca F 13 195 made in Holland

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This version.................

side 1 Everybody needs somebody to love
side 2 Street fighting man/Suprise, suprise
Decca F 13 195 made in Holland

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..in this maxi-single we have a first class version in true STEREO...!

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This version.................

side 1 Everybody needs somebody to love
side 2 Street fighting man/Suprise, suprise
Decca F 13 195 made in Holland

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Sleeve made in Holland.
Record made in England.
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"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

A little OT, but there's a nice version on the Faces box set. Woody gets into a sweet groove. The comments by Mac say it came from their final time in the studio in early '75 and was previously unreleased.

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The Now cassette version (aka the third version).

Never heard about that one! What's the difference to the other two versions - a totally different (3rd) take or just mixing/editing differences?

Sorry about the late reply. I have transferred the cassette version now. Here it is:





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No 2!

Perfect version with all the magic 1965 Stones-feeling included...

2 1 2 0

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The Now cassette version (aka the third version).

Never heard about that one! What's the difference to the other two versions - a totally different (3rd) take or just mixing/editing differences?

Sorry about the late reply. I have transferred the cassette version now. Here it is:





[www.youtube.com]

Isn't that just the regular long version???

No. The regular long version is on No 2 (5:00) and a shortened version of that one (3:00) is on the Now vinyl release. This is a different version.

On the regular version there isn't as much falsetto singing, different guitars and Keith's backing/harmony isn't as audible.





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The Now cassette version (aka the third version).

Never heard about that one! What's the difference to the other two versions - a totally different (3rd) take or just mixing/editing differences?

Sorry about the late reply. I have transferred the cassette version now. Here it is:





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RIP Prince ! ! ! So Sad indeed ! ! !

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That´s very interesting info ! ! !

Do you have any idea where this cassette-version came from ? - I mean, -
it can´t just have been comming out of the blue . . .

On your utube-upload it sounds as it is Electronically Reprocessed Stereo . .
so may it derive from the ERPS-Now ? ?

Is your tape a Decca or a London-release ?



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It's a weird release, and the tracklist order is totally different.

It's american: ABKCO (ACT 4204)

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It's a weird release, and the tracklist order is totally different.

It's american: ABKCO (ACT 4204)

Wow ! - Thanks for instant response !
Very interesting ! - this calls for further investigation !

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No. The regular long version is on No 2 (5:00) and a shortened version of that one (3:00) is on the Now vinyl release. This is a different version.

On the regular version there isn't as much falsetto singing, different guitars and Keith's backing/harmony isn't as audible.

Thanks for your reply and thanks for posting the "cassette take". However, at first glance I still believe that there are only two version of ENSTL:

The "long" version on The Rolling Stone No. 2 (5:00) with that thumping bass line and the "short" version on "Now" reportedly issued by mistake (3:00), which sounds like an earlier take, rawer and the arrangement of course not yet fully developed (I seem to recall that Roy Carr described it as a "live in the studio run-through", which seems to be correct, as least in my ears) - a different take altogther, not just a shortened edit of the "long" version that appears on No. 2.

The long version from No. 2, supposedly the "definitive version" as sanctioned by the band is currently only available on More Hot Rocks (as a bonus track from 2002 onwards) and the No. 2 HDTracks download. The short version is currently available on "Now" and despite being the "raw studio run-through first issued by mistake", regarded as the "common" version nowadays due to the now decades-long absence of "No. 2" on physical media.

Your cassette take is the "Now"-version, however, it sounds considerably brighter than on the current "Now"-CD, remastered in 2002.

Goodwin/Pacholski explain the sound difference in their "The ROLLING STONES London-Era on CD/Remasters Review FAQ":

"Everybody Needs Somebody To Love
reverts to the short version, as well, although this is where the notable exception comes
in; perhaps due to a mastering and/or source tape difference, the sound is quite different
between the old London and new ABKCO releases. The old London version is a bit thin
but has a lot of top end, while the new ABKCO version is fuller but has a dull/phasey top
end."

Hope this helps!



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No. The regular long version is on No 2 (5:00) and a shortened version of that one (3:00) is on the Now vinyl release. This is a different version.

On the regular version there isn't as much falsetto singing, different guitars and Keith's backing/harmony isn't as audible.

Thanks for your reply and thanks for posting the "cassette take". However, at first glance I still believe that there are only two version of ENSTL:

The "long" version on The Rolling Stone No. 2 (5:00) with that thumping bass line and the "short" version on "Now" reportedly issued by mistake (3:00), which sounds like an earlier take, rawer and the arrangement of course not yet fully developed (I seem to recall that Roy Carr described it as a "live in the studio run-through", which seems to be correct, as least in my ears) - a different take altogther, not just a shortened edit of the "long" version that appears on No. 2.

The long version from No. 2, supposedly the "definitive version" as sanctioned by the band is currently only available on More Hot Rocks (as a bonus track from 2002 onwards) and the No. 2 HDTracks download. The short version is currently available on "Now" and despite being the "raw studio run-through first issued by mistake", regarded as the "common" version nowadays due to the now decades-long absence of "No. 2" on physical media.

Your cassette take is the "Now"-version, however, it sounds considerably brighter than on the current "Now"-CD, remastered in 2002.

Goodwin/Pacholski explain the sound difference in their "The ROLLING STONES London-Era on CD/Remasters Review FAQ":

"Everybody Needs Somebody To Love
reverts to the short version, as well, although this is where the notable exception comes
in; perhaps due to a mastering and/or source tape difference, the sound is quite different
between the old London and new ABKCO releases. The old London version is a bit thin
but has a lot of top end, while the new ABKCO version is fuller but has a dull/phasey top
end."

Hope this helps!

Having played the different versions simultaneously up to each other, I can hereby confirm, that there DO Exist (at least) 3 different versions of ENSTL ! ! !

The version on German LONDON-"NOW" is simply a different take than the version
on ABCKO 2002 DSD - "NOW"
(The Old-ABCKO-"NOW", used the long "No.2"-version, - although labeled 2.57)

They are very much in the same "style" - but different takes !

I have NEVER noticed ! - as I have never thought to compare listening of those two releases . . . . Thanks a lot to DandelionPowderman for bringing this up !

The "cassette-version" however, - seems to be the same take as used on the
2002 DSD-release of "NOW"- but I´m sure with a "different sound", - as the cassette was released 1986.

WOW, - Now we "just" have to compare to Mono-vinyl-"NOW" - and
Electronically Reprocessed Stereo-vinyl-"NOW". . . and . . and . . .

Won´t this ever stop ?

(Just to be more precise : I have played the "cassette-version" up with the
German London CD "NOW", - and they are different ! - and the cassette-version
up with the 2002 ABKCO DSD-"NOW", - and they seem identical.)



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Thanks Henrik for comparing these release.......on what CD/LP release can I find the EP version that they released in 1971

side 1 Everybody needs somebody to love
side 2 Street fighting man/Suprise, suprise
Decca F 13 195 made in Holland

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Thanks Henrik for comparing these release.......on what CD/LP release can I find the EP version that they released in 1971

side 1 Everybody needs somebody to love
side 2 Street fighting man/Suprise, suprise
Decca F 13 195 made in Holland

It was on Rock 'n' Rolling Stones released in 1972.
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"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

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Thanks Henrik for comparing these release.......on what CD/LP release can I find the EP version that they released in 1971

side 1 Everybody needs somebody to love
side 2 Street fighting man/Suprise, suprise
Decca F 13 195 made in Holland

It was on Rock 'n' Rolling Stones released in 1972.
[www.discogs.com]

Thanks Deltics..

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Lukpac says "Rock'n'Rolling Stones" runs at the wrong speed.

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Everybody Needs Somebody To Love
stereo on:
Rock'n'Rolling Stones (Decca LP 6835 121)
Rock'n'Rolling Stones (Decca LP SKL 5149)
Rock'n'Rolling Stones (Decca LP SLK 16781-P, Germany)
Stones Story vol 2 (Decca LP NL 6640.030)
Rolling Stones [Greatest Hits] (SuperStar LP SU-1005, Italy)
time: 5:07
recording date/location: 10/27/64 RCA Studios, Hollywood
notes: Recorded at RCA. This is the longer version, which appeared on
the UK No. 2 LP. It shows up on the No. 2 and ABKCO Now! CDs as well as
the More Hot Rocks SACD in mono. Left: drums, bass, rhythm guitar,
piano. Center: vocals. Right: lead guitar, tambourine, backing vocals,
handclaps.
The only stereo mix to be released on vinyl and NOT be released on CD.
The German copy of Rock'n'Rolling Stones runs slightly fast. Some noises
near the end of the song that sound like vinyl wear are actually on
tape, as they exist in the same place on all copies that this fan has
heard.

the ep included "that's good one "( at the end.) i sold my ep many years ago.

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No. The regular long version is on No 2 (5:00) and a shortened version of that one (3:00) is on the Now vinyl release. This is a different version.

On the regular version there isn't as much falsetto singing, different guitars and Keith's backing/harmony isn't as audible.

Thanks for your reply and thanks for posting the "cassette take". However, at first glance I still believe that there are only two version of ENSTL:

The "long" version on The Rolling Stone No. 2 (5:00) with that thumping bass line and the "short" version on "Now" reportedly issued by mistake (3:00), which sounds like an earlier take, rawer and the arrangement of course not yet fully developed (I seem to recall that Roy Carr described it as a "live in the studio run-through", which seems to be correct, as least in my ears) - a different take altogther, not just a shortened edit of the "long" version that appears on No. 2.

The long version from No. 2, supposedly the "definitive version" as sanctioned by the band is currently only available on More Hot Rocks (as a bonus track from 2002 onwards) and the No. 2 HDTracks download. The short version is currently available on "Now" and despite being the "raw studio run-through first issued by mistake", regarded as the "common" version nowadays due to the now decades-long absence of "No. 2" on physical media.

Your cassette take is the "Now"-version, however, it sounds considerably brighter than on the current "Now"-CD, remastered in 2002.

Goodwin/Pacholski explain the sound difference in their "The ROLLING STONES London-Era on CD/Remasters Review FAQ":

"Everybody Needs Somebody To Love
reverts to the short version, as well, although this is where the notable exception comes
in; perhaps due to a mastering and/or source tape difference, the sound is quite different
between the old London and new ABKCO releases. The old London version is a bit thin
but has a lot of top end, while the new ABKCO version is fuller but has a dull/phasey top
end."

Hope this helps!

Having played the different versions simultaneously up to each other, I can hereby confirm, that there DO Exist (at least) 3 different versions of ENSTL ! ! !

The version on German LONDON-"NOW" is simply a different take than the version
on ABCKO 2002 DSD - "NOW"
(The Old-ABCKO-"NOW", used the long "No.2"-version, - although labeled 2.57)

They are very much in the same "style" - but different takes !

I have NEVER noticed ! - as I have never thought to compare listening of those two releases . . . . Thanks a lot to DandelionPowderman for bringing this up !

The "cassette-version" however, - seems to be the same take as used on the
2002 DSD-release of "NOW"- but I´m sure with a "different sound", - as the cassette was released 1986.

WOW, - Now we "just" have to compare to Mono-vinyl-"NOW" - and
Electronically Reprocessed Stereo-vinyl-"NOW". . . and . . and . . .

Won´t this ever stop ?

(Just to be more precise : I have played the "cassette-version" up with the
German London CD "NOW", - and they are different ! - and the cassette-version
up with the 2002 ABKCO DSD-"NOW", - and they seem identical.)

Henrik,

I'm still not sure. I've checked my London CD and it's still the same short "raw" version as on ABKCO 2002 DSD and Mr. Powderman's cassette. However, considerable sound differences CAN be misleading by giving the impression of different takes, but it's still possible that you have a different London CD pressing with a true different take (not just sound or even mix). Can you make your London version available on Youtube or somewhere else?



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The following versions of West German London CD 'Now!' are known to exist
Matrix 820 133-2 01# MADE IN W.GERMANY BY PDO (label with Old boxed logo)
Matrix 820 133-2 01# MADE IN W.GERMANY BY PDO (label with New unboxed logo)
Matrix 820 133-2 02+ MADE IN W.GERMANY BY PDO (label with New unboxed logo)
Matrix 820 133-2 02+ MADE IN GERMANY (label with New unboxed logo)
The CDs above are full silver flat.

Matrix 820 133-2 02+ MADE IN GERMANY (label with Old boxed logo)
Matrix 820 133-2 02+ MADE IN GERMANY BY PMDC (label with Old boxed logo)
The CDs are with 2 mm transparent ring around central hole and stacking ring on the play side

Matrix 820 133-2 01# (label with New unboxed logo)
Matrix 820 133-2 02+ (label with New unboxed logo)
Matrix 820 133-2 02+ (label with Old boxed logo)
Clear plastic center CDs with stacking ring.

I.e. only 2 (two) glass masters were cut. The difference between 01# and 02+... They are digital clones within silent samples (offset). I can post EAC numbers on Tuesday when I'll get to the HDD with stored rips.

Japanese CDs from P25L series and early POCD utilize the very same A->D transfer but final EQ and peaks are a bit different. I.e. W.German Peak level 93.2 %, Japanese P25L 25034 Peak level 100.0 %.