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Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: jpasc95 ()
Date: January 21, 2012 13:54

I was wondering how the guys who created megaupload will prepare their defense.
Will they say that they didn't know the content of downloaded stuff by users ?

or are Bram van der Kolk, Finn Batato, Mathias Ortmann and Kim Schmitz also charged with creating files containing protected material ? which is in this case much more difficult to defend.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-01-21 13:56 by jpasc95.

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: January 21, 2012 13:58

If they were smart they payed the lawyers in advanced grinning smiley

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Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Date: January 21, 2012 15:07

There should be another to take the place of Megaupload no?

Yes.

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: January 21, 2012 15:16

I still wonder what they want with the killin gof MU : pushing us farther in the Net underground, into Darknets [en.wikipedia.org]) like TOR.

These are shady places where kiddie porn addcits meet... This is where former MU users are supposed to go to? confused smiley

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: January 21, 2012 16:12

Quote
jpasc95
I was wondering how the guys who created megaupload will prepare their defense.
Will they say that they didn't know the content of downloaded stuff by users ?

or are Bram van der Kolk, Finn Batato, Mathias Ortmann and Kim Schmitz also charged with creating files containing protected material ? which is in this case much more difficult to defend.

I think the big trouble for them are the laundering and racketeering chargse

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: yorkey ()
Date: January 21, 2012 17:45

Then I guess IORR will have to make bootlegs available by torrents, as Crosstowntorrents does. No one could rightfully ban that site since every file put on there is unreleased.

You got the Sun, You got the Moon,
and you've got
The Rolling Stones

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: marcovandereijk ()
Date: January 21, 2012 17:46

Clearly a campaign is started to influence people's perception about the owners of Megaupload.
By showing their wealth we are led to belief they must be crooks. I don't really care about
that. They are business men, they take risks, implore new technologies, find a way to fulfill
others needs. That's worth a reward.

Second, I don't believe the artists are really suffering from what is shared on the internet.
There are even studies that point in the other directio: the more people share on the internet,
the better the artist is selling tickets for concerts and stuff (Report: Ups and downs.

Third, about the metaphore used about the "open shop", after the wind blew the door away:
what the FBI does here is not only destroy the shop with the open door, but shut down the complete
mall so all the good shops are closed as well. They shoot with a shotgun at a gnat in a
kindergarten.

Fourth, a government that is afraid of their people communicating with each other is not
worth to rule the country.

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: January 21, 2012 17:53

Quote
marcovandereijk
Clearly a campaign is started to influence people's perception about the owners of Megaupload.
By showing their wealth we are led to belief they must be crooks. I don't really care about
that. They are business men, they take risks, implore new technologies, find a way to fulfill
others needs. That's worth a reward.

Second, I don't believe the artists are really suffering from what is shared on the internet.
There are even studies that point in the other directio: the more people share on the internet,
the better the artist is selling tickets for concerts and stuff (Report: Ups and downs.

Third, about the metaphore used about the "open shop", after the wind blew the door away:
what the FBI does here is not only destroy the shop with the open door, but shut down the complete
mall so all the good shops are closed as well. They shoot with a shotgun at a gnat in a
kindergarten.

Fourth, a government that is afraid of their people communicating with each other is not
worth to rule the country.


I could not agree more!! Great Post!!!

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: January 21, 2012 17:56

Quote
Chris Fountain
Quote
marcovandereijk
Clearly a campaign is started to influence people's perception about the owners of Megaupload.
By showing their wealth we are led to belief they must be crooks. I don't really care about
that. They are business men, they take risks, implore new technologies, find a way to fulfill
others needs. That's worth a reward.

Second, I don't believe the artists are really suffering from what is shared on the internet.
There are even studies that point in the other directio: the more people share on the internet,
the better the artist is selling tickets for concerts and stuff (Report: Ups and downs.

Third, about the metaphore used about the "open shop", after the wind blew the door away:
what the FBI does here is not only destroy the shop with the open door, but shut down the complete
mall so all the good shops are closed as well. They shoot with a shotgun at a gnat in a
kindergarten.

Fourth, a government that is afraid of their people communicating with each other is not
worth to rule the country.


I could not agree more!! Great Post!!!

Except that they were mere businessmen. Let us not forget the money laundering and racketeering charges. They made this easy for th FBI

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: January 21, 2012 18:06

Quote
Chris Fountain
Quote
marcovandereijk
Clearly a campaign is started to influence people's perception about the owners of Megaupload.
By showing their wealth we are led to belief they must be crooks. I don't really care about
that. They are business men, they take risks, implore new technologies, find a way to fulfill
others needs. That's worth a reward.

Second, I don't believe the artists are really suffering from what is shared on the internet.
There are even studies that point in the other directio: the more people share on the internet,
the better the artist is selling tickets for concerts and stuff (Report: Ups and downs.

Third, about the metaphore used about the "open shop", after the wind blew the door away:
what the FBI does here is not only destroy the shop with the open door, but shut down the complete
mall so all the good shops are closed as well. They shoot with a shotgun at a gnat in a
kindergarten.

Fourth, a government that is afraid of their people communicating with each other is not
worth to rule the country.


I could not agree more!! Great Post!!!

I don't think this issue is as black and white as you make it. Firstly, if the crimes are actually money laundering and racketeering, I doubt you'd really be throwing your support behind that.

Your second point has merit, but measuring this is difficult. Strictly speaking, I believe artists should be compensated for their work, not ripped off. This has been an issue at least since the development of recording tapes. It's just gotten way bigger since it's possible to swap digital files in seconds. Not sure how you properly address this, but I think it will be virtually impossible for them to stop this behaviour as it is so pervasive.

Third, your analogy may have merit, but it is difficult to know at this point to what extent the criminality pervades the company. I feel bad for customers that used paid services for simply transferring their own files/for business. That said, I wonder what percentage of the business Mega Upload did would be considered legitimate. I suspect that it would not be a large percentage.

Finally, this is not about communicating with each other, it is about sharing files that have rights attached to them....to colour it any other way is being deceitful.

I don't support censorship, and I think the danger with these moves is that we move closer to censorship. However, strictly speaking, this 'police action' isn't about censorship, but about theft.

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: January 21, 2012 18:07

It's not so much about one greedy party to establish an alibi to set precedence. We simply cannot compromise the entire Internet because of a few bad apples. Freedom is at risk, and we must stop gov't intervention in our daily lives. Too much Monkey Business

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: January 21, 2012 18:18

The man on the grassy knoll is behind this dammit

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: jpasc95 ()
Date: January 21, 2012 18:47

Quote
Munichhilton
The man on the grassy knoll is behind this dammit
yeah the Badge Man !

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: January 21, 2012 20:03

Quote
jpasc95
Quote
Munichhilton
The man on the grassy knoll is behind this dammit
yeah the Badge Man !

Is he the same man who squats behind the man who works the soft machine?

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: mariannerl ()
Date: January 21, 2012 21:32

Rapidshares'boss... a lady, told a swiss newspaper today that she has no fears that they will get closed too. But you never know. Rapidshare is located in Zug Switzerland. And a few weeks ago our governement made the decision that dowloading is legal (but uploading..), for me as swiss citizen a clear statement. If the swiss governement does allow an US intervention (what happened before) they will loose my trust in them,.. in my eyes.

We will see.



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Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: January 21, 2012 22:25

Quote
mariannerl
Rapidshares'boss... a lady, told a swiss newspaper today that she has no fears that they will get closed too. But you never know. Rapidshare is located in Zug Switzerland. And a few weeks ago our governement made the decision that dowloading is legal (but uploading..), for me as swiss citizen a clear statement. If the swiss governement does allow an US intervention (what happened before) they will loose my trust in them,.. in my eyes.

We will see.

You should be safe...they harboured a child rapist, so a downloader is probably a no brainer.

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: marcovandereijk ()
Date: January 22, 2012 11:12

Quote
treaclefingers
I don't think this issue is as black and white as you make it. Firstly, if the crimes are actually money laundering and racketeering, I doubt you'd really be throwing your support behind that.

You're right about that. I think I didn't express myself well enough. What I meant is, the
FBI is trying to justify their act by putting the people behind MegaUpload to the forefront.
We must not let them throw sand in our eyes and discuss how good or bad these people are.
The discussion should be about the right a government has to block the infrastructure on the web.

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: January 22, 2012 11:22

Well, I was a huge user of Megaupload. And also I live in Jakarta, one of the capitals of copyright infringement. Looking at the letter of the law, Megaupload and all the other file sharing/torrent sites are breaking the law. But the greater message is to the entertainment industry. LOWER YOUR PRICES. Compete. But true, it is unfair to let sites like mega sell another person's product, but also the entertainment industry is sucking people dry, and in Asia the average person wants to see western movies, listen to western music, but can't afford to. So the industry thrives. And I admit to benefitting from it. Now the loss of mega just forces me to buy more illicit DVDs in Jakarta. You would be amazed coming here. Shops throughout the country selling every TV series, movie, and documentary for 50-70 cents a copy! And perfect quality. Now they are even selling Blue Ray DVD's for about 3 dollars a piece. Amazing. My film collection now is humongous, and I don't feel the least bit guilty. I have spent thousands of dollars on legit stuff, and view it as a bit of pay back. Illegal? Yeah, but f v c k 'em.



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Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 22, 2012 11:54





ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: January 22, 2012 12:50

Guys setting themselves on fire for a job? Rockman you live in one tough neighborhood!

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 22, 2012 13:12

Guys setting themselves on fire for a job? Rockman you live in one tough neighborhood!

....heck no ... most blokes down here burn 'emselves so as ta get outta work ...



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 22, 2012 13:56

"He also holds Finnish citizenship"

I knew that such a cutie with such a quality manners needs to have some first-class geens...







- Doxa.com



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Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 22, 2012 13:57

LOOK AT THE HAT ON THE SECOND PICTURE, HUH!!!

(no OT any longer...)

- Doxa



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Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: January 22, 2012 14:09

Look at that shank he is bearing down on. Not gonna have that for a while I bet. Nor the tanned buxom brunet...well he might, depending on his new roommate.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-01-22 14:13 by whitem8.

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: January 22, 2012 14:10

Hey he has great taste! Seeing shit like this wants to make me play for the Denver Broncos

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: January 22, 2012 18:35

I almost hate to say this, but hasn't anyone else noticed that since Kim Dotcom's arrest, we haven't had any postings by The Watchman?

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: January 22, 2012 18:52

Kim Jong Il. Kim Dot Com. Kim Kar Dash.

there are actually websites about hating everything kim.

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: January 22, 2012 19:48

Quote
superrevvy
Kim Jong Il. Kim Dot Com. Kim Kar Dash.

there are actually websites about hating everything kim.
You can add Kimchi to that list as well.winking smiley

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 22, 2012 21:50

..... a naked Kim Novack ......is there a site for that sight ?????



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Megaupload shut down by US Gov
Date: January 22, 2012 21:56

Those pictures are now real funny...

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