I think this has passed as a comment previously, not word for word, as they used a word that would cost me a bit too much labour to check out, and maybe at this board, certainly on the net. As you can see, even the name of this thread is lacking an "are". You can hear it on TV when interviewed, especially from competitors in sport, or just from people in the street. -Half sentences, new starts, unneccessary strentchening of message by an annoying "yes" or "-mmm", wagging to please the media, expectations or whatever... I guess you can hear it all over the globe, and it has nothing to do whith accents.



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and, in England at least,

When one asks someone to explain something he or she starts the sentence with "so...................."

ie. Question: Any idea when the Stones are touring next?

Answer: So, I've heard they might be touring the UK this year".....................arggggggghhhhhhhh


And .........In coffee shop ..Question:.. "Can I get a cup of coffee please?"

Proper answer: "No, you stay that side of the counter, I'll get it for you"................

I agree, it's basically because the new generations generally are rather thick.
I got friends who maybe have read one or two books in their entire lives!!! (And that was in school 20 years ago) It's only the football that keeps us together.


One thing that strikes me was last year in an article where they asked the squad of Swedens U-21 football national team about which book they've enjoyed the most. 97.5 % hadn't read a single bloody book!!! I'd have them all rounded up against a wall ('cept the one who liked reading), or at least seriously flogged at the nearest square. At the the very minimum dropped from the team. It didnae helped either that they listened to sh*te music too, so it's a no-brainer.

The embrace of ignorance in today's society is astonishing.



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Often observed in public houses up and down the country :-

'Can I order two pints of Stella, please?' Arghh!



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Hehe I remember I was living in Hastings in the summer of 1999 and the first night in town I went out on the pier and ordered a "small pint of Stella please" at the bar. I could never have dreamed it would catch on mate!!!

And I write this on the very same day The Guardian have changed their design completely and taken it from the swedish daily Dagens Nyheter.
It looks rubbish and they claim they've come up with it themselves!! I know we discovered The Stones, Beatles, Oasis, Pistols etc etc very early but YOU invented them! Don't listen to us!

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Hehe I remember I was living in Hastings in the summer of 1999 and the first night in town I went out on the pier and ordered a "small pint of Stella please" at the bar. I could never have dreamed it would catch on mate!!!

Ha, that's like a friend of mine who gave me a recipe for a cocktail.....which needed a "Level teaspoon of soy sauce".............

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I think this has passed as a comment previously, not word for word, as they used a word that would cost me a bit too much labour to check out, and maybe at this board, certainly on the net. As you can see, even the name of this thread is lacking an "are". You can hear it on TV when interviewed, especially from competitors in sport, or just from people in the street. -Half sentences, new starts, unneccessary strentchening of message by an annoying "yes" or "-mmm", wagging to please the media, expectations or whatever... I guess you can hear it all over the globe, and it has nothing to do whith accents.

You call the way people talk "retarded" (an unnecessarily mean slur), and yet you use a nonsense word like "strentchening"?

Talk about irony.

I mean, really, if you're going to rant mindlessly like this, you should make sure your post is 100% free of grammatical and spelling errors.

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I agree, it's basically because the new generations generally are rather thick.
I got friends who maybe have read one or two books in their entire lives!!! (And that was in school 20 years ago) It's only the football that keeps us together.


One thing that strikes me was last year in an article where they asked the squad of Swedens U-21 football national team about which book they've enjoyed the most. 97.5 % hadn't read a single bloody book!!! I'd have them all rounded up against a wall ('cept the one who liked reading), or at least seriously flogged at the nearest square. At the the very minimum dropped from the team. It didnae helped either that they listened to sh*te music too, so it's a no-brainer.

The embrace of ignorance in today's society is astonishing.

Hey, here's a new concept! A stodgy old person ranting about the younger generation. Never saw THAT before.

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noughties
I think this has passed as a comment previously, not word for word, as they used a word that would cost me a bit too much labour to check out, and maybe at this board, certainly on the net. As you can see, even the name of this thread is lacking an "are". You can hear it on TV when interviewed, especially from competitors in sport, or just from people in the street. -Half sentences, new starts, unneccessary strentchening of message by an annoying "yes" or "-mmm", wagging to please the media, expectations or whatever... I guess you can hear it all over the globe, and it has nothing to do whith accents.

You call the way people talk "retarded" (an unnecessarily mean slur), and yet you use a nonsense word like "strentchening"?

Talk about irony.

I mean, really, if you're going to rant mindlessly like this, you should make sure your post is 100% free of grammatical and spelling errors.

Well, how is your norwegian spelling?

His point is valid, even though he's not fluent in english? I guess this goes for all languages. In decay.

This reminds me of the (over)use of the word "actually"...

The English language has changed over the years in how people, especially youngsters , use it in conversation .

Can't remember many things off the top of my head in the 60's and 70's which was my generation apart saying the occasional 'Hey Man' ,'Way Out' or 'That's Cool', and a few other words or sayings you still hear now and again.

The one that gets me these days is the use of 'like' in just about every sentence spoken by some young people ,even in their 20's and 30's.

They say things such as ' He said to me like, what's this stuff doing here' or 'I've got this new car like, and it really go's fast like'.

It just don't make sense to me, but I guess it is all part of the English language some people use at the present time.

I've seen multiple posts around the web stating (humorously) that, due to the continued increase in our use of emoji's, we're in the process of regressing from the written words in any language back to the use of hieroglyphics.

Note: As of my typing, 6 of the 11 posts in this thread complaining about the improper use of language contain emoji's. Coincidence? Irony? Proof?

Peace,
Mr DJA

Edit: had to include crawdaddy's emoji as they posted before I could finish!



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I didn't know what an emoji was until about a year ago,as well as a gif and lot's of other 'computer jargon' names and expressions.

All a different language to me ,but gradually learning it.

I guess putting an emoji on a post is just quicker and easier than putting in writing that you are happy, sad, annoyed or whatever you feel at the time of posting.

Here's another emoji from the selection that's available.

riff99 wrote: "Hey, here's a new concept! A stodgy old person ranting about the younger generation. Never saw THAT Before"


Well I've yet to reach 40 so I ain't that old pal. Did I hit a weak spot with my humble contribution to this thread? Your name and your comment suggest you were born in 1999, if so I apologize if I offended you.

Mind, I wrote
"..generations GENERALLY are rather thick".

I wasn't thinking about you as I don't know you Sir.

You're a rag trade girl, You're the queen of porn, You're the easiest lay on the white house lawn!!



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riff99 wrote: "Hey, here's a new concept! A stodgy old person ranting about the younger generation. Never saw THAT Before"


Well I've yet to reach 40 so I ain't that old pal. Did I hit a weak spot with my humble contribution to this thread? Your name and your comment suggest you were born in 1999, if so I apologize if I offended you.

Mind, I wrote
"..generations GENERALLY are rather thick".

I wasn't thinking about you as I don't know you Sir.

No, no, I'm actually 39.

I just try really hard not to knock younger people, because so often it's just a case of not being able to understand generational differences. Think of what people said about the Stones in the '60s, and now they're a worldwide institution.

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I've seen multiple posts around the web stating (humorously) that, due to the continued increase in our use of emoji's, we're in the process of regressing from the written words in any language back to the use of hieroglyphics.

Note: As of my typing, 6 of the 11 posts in this thread complaining about the improper use of language contain emoji's. Coincidence? Irony? Proof?

Peace,
Mr DJA

Edit: had to include crawdaddy's emoji as they posted before I could finish!

Could be just more evolution of language or communication.............. words + hieroglyphs ......

Who would have thought that the word C%*t was in common acceptable usage in England 200 years ago, so much so that there were 'red light districts' in towns all over the UK called Gropecunt lane etc.........phased out from 15th century until finally Queen Victoria decided to have all the streets renamed....... Then the Royal fashion victims propagated that it was an unacceptable word in polite society...........

[en.wikipedia.org]

Some think Norwegian in origin......typical Scandos inventing scandalous words..........



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I wonder what Geoffrey Chaucer would make of it?

At TRUMPYNGTOUN, nat fer fro Cantebrigge,
Ther gooth a brook, and over that a brigge,
Upon the whiche brook ther stant a melle;
And this is verray sooth that I yow telle.
A millere was ther dwellynge many a day;
As any pecok he was proud and gay.
Pipen he koude and fisshe, and nettes beete,
And turne coppes, and wel wrastle and sheete;
Ay by his belt he baar a long panade,
And of a swerd ful trenchant was the blade.

[www.librarius.com]
[www.librarius.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

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mr_dja
I've seen multiple posts around the web stating (humorously) that, due to the continued increase in our use of emoji's, we're in the process of regressing from the written words in any language back to the use of hieroglyphics.

Note: As of my typing, 6 of the 11 posts in this thread complaining about the improper use of language contain emoji's. Coincidence? Irony? Proof?

Peace,
Mr DJA

Edit: had to include crawdaddy's emoji as they posted before I could finish!

Could be just more evolution of language or communication.............. words + hieroglyphs ......

Who would have thought that the word C%*t was in common acceptable usage in England 200 years ago, so much so that there were 'red light districts' in towns all over the UK called Gropecunt lane etc.........phased out from 15th century until finally Queen Victoria decided to have all the streets renamed....... Then the Royal fashion victims propagated that it was an unacceptable word in polite society...........

[en.wikipedia.org]

Some think Norwegian in origin......typical Scandos inventing scandalous words..........

It's evolution or devolution, depending on how you look at it.

I'm very particular about spelling, grammar and punctuation when it comes to my work e-mails, posting on message boards, etc., but when I'm texting, I use all the silly juvenile shortcuts and emojis.

I have read that a lot of companies are disheartened by the writing deficiencies of new hires.

Thank goodness that the Stones could never be accused of using "retarded language".




"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

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mr_dja
I've seen multiple posts around the web stating (humorously) that, due to the continued increase in our use of emoji's, we're in the process of regressing from the written words in any language back to the use of hieroglyphics.

Note: As of my typing, 6 of the 11 posts in this thread complaining about the improper use of language contain emoji's. Coincidence? Irony? Proof?

Peace,
Mr DJA

Edit: had to include crawdaddy's emoji as they posted before I could finish!

Could be just more evolution of language or communication.............. words + hieroglyphs ......

Who would have thought that the word C%*t was in common acceptable usage in England 200 years ago, so much so that there were 'red light districts' in towns all over the UK called Gropecunt lane etc.........phased out from 15th century until finally Queen Victoria decided to have all the streets renamed....... Then the Royal fashion victims propagated that it was an unacceptable word in polite society...........

[en.wikipedia.org]

Some think Norwegian in origin......typical Scandos inventing scandalous words..........

It's evolution or devolution, depending on how you look at it.

I'm very particular about spelling, grammar and punctuation when it comes to my work e-mails, posting on message boards, etc., but when I'm texting, I use all the silly juvenile shortcuts and emojis.

I have read that a lot of companies are disheartened by the writing deficiencies of new hires.

I agree with all you've said and do likewise..........

My main objection (apart from - "can I get a coffee?" - "no but you can have one" - is the computer jargon and the inherent speed of change due to additional new words and ensuing new syntax....................I can't keep up..... . (I'm 57)

Sometimes, I literally don't know what people, especially on TV, - Re. computers etc - are saying. they may as well be talking Chinese.......



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<Some think Norwegian in origin......typical Scandos inventing scandalous words>

Let's have a dram!

Being able to speak cohesively is clearly a problem with some people...

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Let's have a dram!

.......or three.............

"No, no, I'm actually 39.

I just try really hard not to knock younger people, because so often it's just a case of not being able to understand generational differences. Think of what people said about the Stones in the '60s, and now they're a worldwide institution."

Then we are of the same generation, I'm 35. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that you and I and our generation got much more in common with generations born 60-70 years ago than of the generations of the 90's and 00's. A great examole is from Keiths book Life, where he describes the conditions in his house in Salem in the late 70's as "very Hergé". The best line in the whole book IMHO. A 20-year old of today would struggle to understand what Keith means. My grandfather was born in 1922 but we could discuss the different merits of say, Fjodor Dostojevskij and Lev Tolstoj. It has nothing to do with education just what was served in front of us as children and where the fun was for a 12-year old. We didn't have the instant satisfaction of the internet.

Keith's born 39 years before me but his generation and mine got so much in common because we weren't attached to computers and Youtube and all that stuff. I can't thank the higher powers enough that I was born in time.
It can't be much fun being 15 today.

Just my two cents but nevertheless I am right.





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I agree, it's basically because the new generations generally are rather thick.
I got friends who maybe have read one or two books in their entire lives!!! (And that was in school 20 years ago) It's only the football that keeps us together.


One thing that strikes me was last year in an article where they asked the squad of Swedens U-21 football national team about which book they've enjoyed the most. 97.5 % hadn't read a single bloody book!!! I'd have them all rounded up against a wall ('cept the one who liked reading), or at least seriously flogged at the nearest square. At the the very minimum dropped from the team. It didnae helped either that they listened to sh*te music too, so it's a no-brainer.

The embrace of ignorance in today's society is astonishing.


Well I've yet to reach 40 ...

Call to order: My goodness, what language are you using here yourself Max?

The language that you are using here is beyond any level of tolerance. Please moderate yourself.

The above emissions do clearly evoke some of the darkest chapters of 20th century's history, the latter part even refers to the darkest middle ages.

We're merely discussing here today's use of language. That's all. No need to flog or execute people for it! Not even jokingly, because that's simply not funny! Where are we here? This forum, I believe, is definitely not the place to apply such language.

Better edit those posts of yours, Sir!

dead.flowers

I have the greatest admiration for members of this board who communicate so well in English when it is not their native language.

Awfully sorry Dead Flowers, obviously I don't wish any living creature any harm but the development of the lack of proper language or reading skills in society because of the general thickness of a lot of footballers today makes me go mad... MAD!!!! ;-)

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I have the greatest admiration for members of this board who communicate so well in English when it is not their native language.

Nice gesture! I appreciate that Bliss, because it addresses me too. I am always trying my best to be understood properly. However, sometimes I am lacking to understand some posts, maybe due to the use of idioms, street language or phrases that are difficult to understand for a person from a third country who hasn't undergone the same or a similar socialisation.

dead.flowers

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Awfully sorry Dead Flowers, obviously I don't wish any living creature any harm but the development of the lack of proper language or reading skills in society because of the general thickness of a lot of footballers today makes me go mad... MAD!!!! ;-)

Alright, accepted Max! Please try to temper your blood and to cut out such phrases in future. They evoke periods of near history - during which my parents and grandparents suffered - and far history, as well, that I don't wish anybody to ever experience.

Ceterum censeo: You're right of course! Please don't shoot me!

dead.flowers

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I have the greatest admiration for members of this board who communicate so well in English when it is not their native language.

Nice gesture! I appreciate that Bliss, because it addresses me too. I am always trying my best to be understood properly. However, sometimes I am lacking to understand some posts, maybe due to the use of idioms, street language or phrases that are difficult to understand for a person from a third country who hasn't undergone the same or a similar socialisation.

dead.flowers

Slang and the vernacular pose huge problems for non native speakers. Like Bliss, since my earliest days of lurking here, I have had huge amounts for the abilities of many of the posters here to communicate in a language they don't use exclusively or primarily. I know I'd be lost at a non-English based web forum.

Personally, as I see and hear language skills decreasing around me, I try to listen/read for intent and don't really waste my time getting torn up about it. My apathy has outweighed my concern and desire to correct. Unless guidance is requested, then I'll provide as much assistance as I'm able. I'll warn you though: There are far better people to ask for linguistic help than me... English was NOT my strong subject in school.

Peace,
Mr DJA