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Hi Bellajane - Also Bobby Beausoleil and Bruce Davis who helped kill Gary Hillman. Davis also killed Donald (Shorty) Shea.
Beausoleil was an early member of the famous LA band "Love" with Arthur Lee. He also wrote music for a version of the film Lucifer Rising.
Our justice system is much more vital and important than any one person.
Dozens,if not hundreds, of people sentenced to death or life have been exonerated afterwards by DNA or other evidence. Putting a "bullet to the head" puts us in the same murderous category as the killers. No thanks.
Even in this case, I agree with you. “Hard cases make bad law.” In other words, if you write the laws that apply to everyone in order to suit the one worst case, the entire system becomes less. Sometimes it ain’t perfect.
Very profound Toronto Girl!
You are so off base. Manson's name is still synonymous with evil today. he is not just a 60's icon. Geeez....
They did get the death penalty, but it was overturned when California changed the laws - but I assume you meant to actually have it carried out.
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty generally speaking - but yes some probably deserve it - serial killers, terrorists, etc. who were proven guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt.
But being locked up in a cage for life without the possibility of parole seems to be a harsher punishment in some ways - letting them rot in a cage and stew over their evil ways until their final breath on earth.
(edit: spellcheck)
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
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OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: November 20, 2017 08:15
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/19/charles-manson-dead-at-83/
The man who masterminded one of the most heinous murder sprees in American history -- is dead ... this according to the sister of his famous victim.
Debra Tate tells TMZ she received a call from the prison telling her Manson died 8:13 PM Sunday.
We're told the prison is contacting all of the victims' families.
Manson was recently wheeled into Bakersfield hospital and escorted by 5 uniformed cops. Our sources had said at the time, "It's just a matter of time." He was covered in blankets and looked ashen in the gurney.
TMZ broke the story ... Manson was taken from Corcoran State Prison to the hospital back in January where he was being treated for intestinal bleeding.
As we reported ... Manson was supposed to undergo surgery but it was deemed too risky.
Manson has been locked up since his arrest in December 1969 for the Tate-LaBianca murders. He was convicted of conspiracy to commit the slayings, which occurred one day after the next in August 1969.
The man who masterminded one of the most heinous murder sprees in American history -- is dead ... this according to the sister of his famous victim.
Debra Tate tells TMZ she received a call from the prison telling her Manson died 8:13 PM Sunday.
We're told the prison is contacting all of the victims' families.
Manson was recently wheeled into Bakersfield hospital and escorted by 5 uniformed cops. Our sources had said at the time, "It's just a matter of time." He was covered in blankets and looked ashen in the gurney.
TMZ broke the story ... Manson was taken from Corcoran State Prison to the hospital back in January where he was being treated for intestinal bleeding.
As we reported ... Manson was supposed to undergo surgery but it was deemed too risky.
Manson has been locked up since his arrest in December 1969 for the Tate-LaBianca murders. He was convicted of conspiracy to commit the slayings, which occurred one day after the next in August 1969.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: November 20, 2017 08:38
From the L.A. Times: Charles Manson dead at 83
“Today, Manson's victims are the ones who should be remembered and mourned on the occasion of his death,”
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
“Today, Manson's victims are the ones who should be remembered and mourned on the occasion of his death,”
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
swimtothemoon
()
Date: November 20, 2017 08:41
My sympathy goes to the families and friends whom lost loved ones at the hands of Charles and his followers. If a slow news day, the attention will be on Charles
and not his victims...
and not his victims...
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: November 20, 2017 11:43
He played a large part in killing the 60s, an era we rightfully revere as the 'coming of age' decennium for the Stones - and for àny form of popular, teenage rebellious youth culture, including R'n'R...
Plus he was really close (or at last: tried to be) to some important Stones' contemporaries (Beach Boys, Beatles) -
therefor he's a relevant topic to discuss here, I'd say.
But agreed: that doesn't mean we ought to feel 'sorry' for his passing.
quite the contrary!
And true, true: it's (the family of) the victims that should be remembered on a day like this.
First and foremost!
Plus he was really close (or at last: tried to be) to some important Stones' contemporaries (Beach Boys, Beatles) -
therefor he's a relevant topic to discuss here, I'd say.
But agreed: that doesn't mean we ought to feel 'sorry' for his passing.
quite the contrary!
And true, true: it's (the family of) the victims that should be remembered on a day like this.
First and foremost!
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
StonedAsia
()
Date: November 20, 2017 13:45
Old Beezelbub will be shoveling coal for this piece of work. Good riddance.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: November 20, 2017 14:18
A sick, but culturally significant person. The end of the ‘60s indeed bore some of his stink. Thoughts with the families of the victims of his ‘family’ today...the Tate/LaBianca, Shea and Hinman families. And the families of the kids he ensnared.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
steffialicia
()
Date: November 20, 2017 14:44
Just so sad and unfair that he lived to a ripe age
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Nate
()
Date: November 20, 2017 15:11
People like that should have a bullet to the head immediately after being convicted.It is a disgrace that tax money is used to keep people like that alive when the money could be used for worthwhile things like hospitals and education.
Nate
Nate
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Bellajane
()
Date: November 20, 2017 15:14
Good Riddance!! He was a brutal monster. Two down...three more to go. What I really don't understand about this case is when the Manson Murderers' death sentence was commuted to life, why the little clause "without the possibility of parole" wasn't factored in? Unfortunately this did not happen and the families of the victims (especially Sharon Tate's mother and sister) attended every parole hearing. Never mind the cost to the taxpayers. Not that I'm in favor of the death penalty but, you know, sometimes the punishment fits the crime and these criminals should have been dead long ago. This story haunts me to this day.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: November 20, 2017 15:20
Charlie's dead tonight, ain't he?
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: November 20, 2017 16:27
Hope he died with lots of pain and agony.
Jeroen
Jeroen
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: November 20, 2017 16:56
Quote
Bellajane
Good Riddance!! He was a brutal monster. Two down...three more to go. What I really don't understand about this case is when the Manson Murderers' death sentence was commuted to life, why the little clause "without the possibility of parole" wasn't factored in? Unfortunately this did not happen and the families of the victims (especially Sharon Tate's mother and sister) attended every parole hearing. Never mind the cost to the taxpayers. Not that I'm in favor of the death penalty but, you know, sometimes the punishment fits the crime and these criminals should have been dead long ago. This story haunts me to this day.
Hi Bellajane - Also Bobby Beausoleil and Bruce Davis who helped kill Gary Hillman. Davis also killed Donald (Shorty) Shea.
Beausoleil was an early member of the famous LA band "Love" with Arthur Lee. He also wrote music for a version of the film Lucifer Rising.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
keefriff99
()
Date: November 20, 2017 17:13
Darkly amusing.Quote
2000 LYFH
Charlie's dead tonight, ain't he?
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
()
Date: November 20, 2017 17:40
Nah.Quote
Nate
People like that should have a bullet to the head immediately after being convicted.It is a disgrace that tax money is used to keep people like that alive when the money could be used for worthwhile things like hospitals and education.
Nate
Our justice system is much more vital and important than any one person.
Dozens,if not hundreds, of people sentenced to death or life have been exonerated afterwards by DNA or other evidence. Putting a "bullet to the head" puts us in the same murderous category as the killers. No thanks.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: November 20, 2017 18:03
Quote
MisterDDDDNah.Quote
Nate
People like that should have a bullet to the head immediately after being convicted.It is a disgrace that tax money is used to keep people like that alive when the money could be used for worthwhile things like hospitals and education.
Nate
Our justice system is much more vital and important than any one person.
Dozens,if not hundreds, of people sentenced to death or life have been exonerated afterwards by DNA or other evidence. Putting a "bullet to the head" puts us in the same murderous category as the killers. No thanks.
Even in this case, I agree with you. “Hard cases make bad law.” In other words, if you write the laws that apply to everyone in order to suit the one worst case, the entire system becomes less. Sometimes it ain’t perfect.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
keefriff99
()
Date: November 20, 2017 18:10
I don't give a damn how much of a monster Manson was...calling for summary executions just to feel like a tough guy is fascist bullshit.Quote
SomeTorontoGirlQuote
MisterDDDDNah.Quote
Nate
People like that should have a bullet to the head immediately after being convicted.It is a disgrace that tax money is used to keep people like that alive when the money could be used for worthwhile things like hospitals and education.
Nate
Our justice system is much more vital and important than any one person.
Dozens,if not hundreds, of people sentenced to death or life have been exonerated afterwards by DNA or other evidence. Putting a "bullet to the head" puts us in the same murderous category as the killers. No thanks.
Even in this case, I agree with you. “Hard cases make bad law.” In other words, if you write the laws that apply to everyone in order to suit the one worst case, the entire system becomes less. Sometimes it ain’t perfect.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Deltics
()
Date: November 20, 2017 18:20
When you get to the bottom
You go back to the top of the slide
And you stop and you turn
And you go for a ride
Then you get to the bottom
Then you see me again
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
You go back to the top of the slide
And you stop and you turn
And you go for a ride
Then you get to the bottom
Then you see me again
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
BamaStone
()
Date: November 20, 2017 18:27
Glad This DEVIL IS GONE FROM THE PLANET FINALLY !!
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Bellajane
()
Date: November 20, 2017 18:34
Quote
2000 LYFHQuote
Bellajane
Hi Bellajane - Also Bobby Beausoleil and Bruce Davis who helped kill Gary Hillman. Davis also killed Donald (Shorty) Shea.
Beausoleil was an early member of the famous LA band "Love" with Arthur Lee. He also wrote music for a version of the film Lucifer Rising.
Well, there were lots of crazies associated with the Manson Family. I think there was another guy Clem Grogan..not exactly sure of his name...who assisted with someone's murder. I believe there are probably bodies buried on that ranch that will never be found. And we can't forget Squeaky Fromm who tried to shoot President Ford!! How Manson turned a handful of flower-children into mass murderers is anyone's guess. So bizarre.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: November 20, 2017 18:51
Ironic, in the UK, the 'Moors Murderer' Ian Brady has only recently died...zfter over 50 years incarceration.
He also, continued to 'use' or rather misuse the legal system, no doubt costing tax payers a lot of dosh.
He also, continued to 'use' or rather misuse the legal system, no doubt costing tax payers a lot of dosh.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
keithsman
()
Date: November 20, 2017 19:11
Manson arguably never actually physically killed anyone himself, so i guess he must hold the record for the most years served in prison for telling someone to kill somebody.
If i told my friends to kill people and they did i wouldn't expect to serve 50 + years in prison.
He always maintained his innocence right to the end, even though he new it ruined his chances of parole.
I don't consider him as evil as say Bush or Blair, sending soldiers to death on false pretenses of WOMD. People coming back from Iraq with limbs blown off, thousands of innocent people , women and children killed by friendly fire. The Bushes and Blairs of this world have more blood on their hands and are more evil than Manson imho.
If i told my friends to kill people and they did i wouldn't expect to serve 50 + years in prison.
He always maintained his innocence right to the end, even though he new it ruined his chances of parole.
I don't consider him as evil as say Bush or Blair, sending soldiers to death on false pretenses of WOMD. People coming back from Iraq with limbs blown off, thousands of innocent people , women and children killed by friendly fire. The Bushes and Blairs of this world have more blood on their hands and are more evil than Manson imho.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
keefriff99
()
Date: November 20, 2017 19:17
Hoo-boy...now you've done it...Quote
keithsman
Manson arguably never actually physically killed anyone himself, so i guess he must hold the record for the most years served in prison for telling someone to kill somebody.
If i told my friends to kill people and they did i wouldn't expect to serve 50 + years in prison.
He always maintained his innocence right to the end, even though he new it ruined his chances of parole.
I don't consider him as evil as say Bush or Blair, sending soldiers to death on false pretenses of WOMD. People coming back from Iraq with limbs blown off, thousands of innocent people , women and children killed by friendly fire. The Bushes and Blairs of this world have more blood on their hands and are more evil than Manson imho.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
swimtothemoon
()
Date: November 20, 2017 19:35
Quote
SomeTorontoGirlQuote
MisterDDDDNah.Quote
Nate
People like that should have a bullet to the head immediately after being convicted.It is a disgrace that tax money is used to keep people like that alive when the money could be used for worthwhile things like hospitals and education.
Nate
Our justice system is much more vital and important than any one person.
Dozens,if not hundreds, of people sentenced to death or life have been exonerated afterwards by DNA or other evidence. Putting a "bullet to the head" puts us in the same murderous category as the killers. No thanks.
Even in this case, I agree with you. “Hard cases make bad law.” In other words, if you write the laws that apply to everyone in order to suit the one worst case, the entire system becomes less. Sometimes it ain’t perfect.
Very profound Toronto Girl!
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: November 20, 2017 19:41
Cultural significance? Just because he name-checked a Beatles song or two? Ah, no.
This thread is just an excuse for people to vent about capital punishment and politics.
Charles Manson is no more an icon for the 60s than Ted Bundy was for law students.
This thread is just an excuse for people to vent about capital punishment and politics.
Charles Manson is no more an icon for the 60s than Ted Bundy was for law students.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Cooltoplady
()
Date: November 20, 2017 20:10
Quote
stonehearted
Cultural significance? Just because he name-checked a Beatles song or two? Ah, no.
This thread is just an excuse for people to vent about capital punishment and politics.
Charles Manson is no more an icon for the 60s than Ted Bundy was for law students.
You are so off base. Manson's name is still synonymous with evil today. he is not just a 60's icon. Geeez....
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Sighunt
()
Date: November 20, 2017 20:18
I have never been a proponent of the death penalty as a blanket sanction for all capitol crimes (with the exception of cop killers & killing by terrorists), but in this instance, Manson and his followers probably should have gotten the death penalty for their heinous acts against humanity....
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: November 20, 2017 20:29
Quote
Sighunt
I have never been a proponent of the death penalty as a blanket sanction for all capitol crimes (with the exception of cop killers & killing by terrorists), but in this instance, Manson and his followers probably should have gotten the death penalty for their heinous acts against humanity....
They did get the death penalty, but it was overturned when California changed the laws - but I assume you meant to actually have it carried out.
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty generally speaking - but yes some probably deserve it - serial killers, terrorists, etc. who were proven guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt.
But being locked up in a cage for life without the possibility of parole seems to be a harsher punishment in some ways - letting them rot in a cage and stew over their evil ways until their final breath on earth.
(edit: spellcheck)
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-11-20 20:36 by Hairball.
Re: OT--Not RIP Charles Manson
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: November 20, 2017 20:29
Quote
Cooltoplady
Manson's name is still synonymous with evil today. he is not just a 60's icon. Geeez....
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