Why all this Hyde Park bashing here? It's surely not a well-oiled performance, but the setlist is great, and a proper mix from the multitracks might reveal the true beauty of their playing - ragged, yes, but in a great garage-band kind of way. A remixed "I'm Yours and I'm Hers" would be worth the price alone. "Down Home Girl" is not available yet as a soundboard, the version on the boots is from an audience recording.

And, yes, the undoctored Glyn Johns 1966 live recordings would be great too.

I mean, the Stones did not start their career in the 70's. The 60's vaults might contain some great stuff that probably would excite me more than, let's say, a show from 1981 or other tours which are already covered by good sounding official releases and tons of boots.



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I've always loved Hyde Park for it's rawness and garage sounding craze in the band. Guitars out of tune, those mega hot Hi Watt amplifiers blowing the hell outta peoples ears, a crazy mix of people in the audience. Just wild and wicked as rock 'n' roll is supposed to be. Compare Hyde Park to just about anything from say The Sonics or any other garage rock band of the day and, well?

I remember hearing what i think must've been a soundboard recording of "Street Fighting Man" from Hyde Park. That is just total effin punk 7 years before it was "invented". There are a few seconds from it in the film mixed with some shots of a group of "nazis" or bikers. A really great touch. I'd love to have a remastered, remixed whatever version of Hyde Park.

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Why all this Hyde Park bashing here? It's surely not a well-oiled performance, but the setlist is great, and a proper mix from the multitracks might reveal the true beauty of their playing - ragged, yes, but in a great garage-band kind of way. A remixed "I'm Yours and I'm Hers" would be worth the price alone. "Down Home Girl" is not available yet as a soundboard, the version on the boots is from an audience recording.

And, yes, the undoctored Glyn Johns 1966 live recordings would be great too.

I mean, the Stones did not start their career in the 70's. The 60's vaults might contain some great stuff that probably would excite me more than, let's say, a show from 1981 or other tours which are already covered by good sounding official releases and tons of boots.

I agree with all here. I have always found Hyde Park concert very strong performance. Yes, they were sloppy, out of tune, Jagger is half-sick, unrehearsed and all that, but there is something so raw and vital in that performance that there is not many other Stones concerts that have convinced me of their uniqueness as much as this one. And it is an oddity, or once in life time kind of event, in many sense - one can not relate it to the official Taylor days tours (nor as one can relate El Mocambo gigs for the tours of the day). They are just in a transformation period. But the way they do some songs there ares so unique, almost intuition -like. "I'm Yours, She's Mine" is one of their dirtiest live cuts ever; the hippie version of "Satisfaction" is probably wildest ever; Jagger sings "Jumpin Jack Flash" with mored edge and meaning than probably ever; Charlie is Mitch Michelling there - there is just so much POWER!!!! I could go on. The greatest rock and roll band of the world no doubt. They smell rock and roll; they have never as far from Vegas as in that day.





I am not sure if Hyde Park would be in top three in my wish lists for the precoming releases, but I'd gladly take it! Any Brian Jones-day gig would be my number one.

- Doxa



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You are right, Hyde Park was one of the weakest shows the Stones ever did. No rehearsing, guitars out of tune, vocals out of tune, failed cues. The only positive thing was that the brilliance of MT was on the horizon ... but even MT could not turn the bad show around.

They did rehearse for it.

But obviously without any observable effect ...

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Why all this Hyde Park bashing here? It's surely not a well-oiled performance, but the setlist is great, and a proper mix from the multitracks might reveal the true beauty of their playing - ragged, yes, but in a great garage-band kind of way. A remixed "I'm Yours and I'm Hers" would be worth the price alone. "Down Home Girl" is not available yet as a soundboard, the version on the boots is from an audience recording.

And, yes, the undoctored Glyn Johns 1966 live recordings would be great too.

I mean, the Stones did not start their career in the 70's. The 60's vaults might contain some great stuff that probably would excite me more than, let's say, a show from 1981 or other tours which are already covered by good sounding official releases and tons of boots.

As much as we'd all like some good sixties live recordings, I can't see how any could be included in this new deal. I would imagine that they are all owned by ABKCO, not The Stones/Promotone. Unless, of course, a "40 Licks" type deal has been arranged.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



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The concert is a shamble and the film with the mock English Hells Angels isn't exactly a masterpiece. What caught my attention was Jagger's recitation of Shelley. Vey profound for a 26 year old rock and roll singer. And the hippie dress and his self-indulgent effeminated look. very true to its time. Like a kaleidoscope of the late sixties.

Like a kaleidoscope of the late sixties.

.......but but it was the late sixties weren't it????...



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Ha, ha, ha! You got me there, Rockman! I was trying to be profound and landed on a platitude! There you go!

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Why all this Hyde Park bashing here? It's surely not a well-oiled performance, but the setlist is great, and a proper mix from the multitracks might reveal the true beauty of their playing - ragged, yes, but in a great garage-band kind of way. A remixed "I'm Yours and I'm Hers" would be worth the price alone. "Down Home Girl" is not available yet as a soundboard, the version on the boots is from an audience recording.

And, yes, the undoctored Glyn Johns 1966 live recordings would be great too.

I mean, the Stones did not start their career in the 70's. The 60's vaults might contain some great stuff that probably would excite me more than, let's say, a show from 1981 or other tours which are already covered by good sounding official releases and tons of boots.

As much as we'd all like some good sixties live recordings, I can't see how any could be included in this new deal. I would imagine that they are all owned by ABKCO, not The Stones/Promotone. Unless, of course, a "40 Licks" type deal has been arranged.

As mentioned earlier, the Stones have never played a show that didnt include ABKCO material. If it was a major issue, the archives store wouldnt have been able to release anything. And there's been a lot more co-operation between the pair in recent years than most people seem to think. Plus, UMG and ABKCO are now part of the same company (except for the US, I think).

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You are right, Hyde Park was one of the weakest shows the Stones ever did. No rehearsing, guitars out of tune, vocals out of tune, failed cues. The only positive thing was that the brilliance of MT was on the horizon ... but even MT could not turn the bad show around.

They did rehearse for it.

But obviously without any observable effect ...

They most likley would have sounded even less together than they did at Hyde Park had they not rehearsed.

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You are right, Hyde Park was one of the weakest shows the Stones ever did. No rehearsing, guitars out of tune, vocals out of tune, failed cues. The only positive thing was that the brilliance of MT was on the horizon ... but even MT could not turn the bad show around.

They did rehearse for it.

But obviously without any observable effect ...

They most likley would have sounded even less together than they did at Hyde Park had they not rehearsed.

Okay, that's the difference between mess and hyper-mess ...

That JJF video from Hyde Park is great and you see CW so close up drumming, totally thumbs up.

I like the African satisfaction version. I think the band was embarrassed with Jones death spoiling the event in a way.

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

I have always loved the video from Hyde Park

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Hansie, one day I will trick you into saying something negative about The Stones!

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Hansie, one day I will trick you into saying something negative about The Stones!

Why should you ?

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Just kidding you, Hansie! You don't have to. I was just thinking: I can't remember you saying something bad about anything!

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I can't remember you saying something bad about anything!

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Just kidding you, Hansie! You don't have to. I was just thinking: I can't remember you saying something bad about anything!

i was taught that if you didn't have anything bad to say about someone, don't say anything at all...

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i was taught that if you didn't have anything bad to say about someone, don't say anything at all...

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The Hyde Park concert is officially released in its video form (albeit it is incomplete) everywhere in the world except North America. And it has been available as a video for years. Including this as part of an 'unreleased' series might be considered a bit of a stretch, regardless of its merits or lack of merits.
Also, the Hyde Park performance was done when the Stones were very much still under contract to Decca with Allen Klein as their manager. If this show ever DID see release in another, more complete form, it would likely come as an ABKCO release with the Stones consent. Furthermore, Granada Televison may hold the rights to this release, having paid quite a bit of money to record it in the first place.
Neither ABKCO's nor the Stones' logos appear on the DVD/VHS versions of this show.

A full and clear Rolling Stones (post 1971) release, requiring no ABKCO involvement at all is far more likely as the source of future issues in the series. Less legal wranglings that way, and more money in the Stones' collective pocket.

It took not much longer than a month until Brussels has been bootleged! A 3LP + 2CD set. Do not buy it!!!



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I happen to own the Hyde Park show on vinyl...I think I'd prefer an official release of Altamont instead...

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I happen to own the Hyde Park show on vinyl...I think I'd prefer an official release of Altamont instead...

I don't know, I don't think they'll release that. Don't you think it would kind of be in bad taste? Also I don't think it would be very good on account of songs starting and stopping so they can try and get the crowd to behave. Historically significant for sure, but not really something I would enjoy listening to from a musical standpoint. And even the songs that aren't interrupted, I wouldn't really be able to enjoy it knowing that somebody has been stabbed to death. It would be like a cloud hanging over my enjoyment of the music.

I would prefer they just do any other show from '69, one where nobody gets stabbed to death.

How about releasing the next show now for New Year?

Yes I intended to post the same demand. Should be soon

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

Yeah, I kind of figured they might release 1 at Christmas, but if they didn't I was sure they'd release one at New Years. Kick off the 50th Anniversary with an archive release right out of the gates. Seemed like a no-brainer to me, not sure what they're waiting for. I know they don't want to release them all at once and to stretch it out, but starting off the new year, the 50th anniversary year, with one of the shows just seemed to make sense, and it has been a few months since Brussels. Oh well, I'm still enjoying Texas '78 which I didn't get until Christmas, so I don't have a monkey on my back or anything.

well perhaps they intend to release them every 2 months,covering the whole year,no idea why they chose nov 17th to start things off though,anybody got any ideas as to what the sequence might be.

El Macombo. Complete. Both shows. The Holy Grail.

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El Macombo. Complete. Both shows. The Holy Grail.

ok, that does it. the next person that spells mocambo "macombo" gets kp duty for the next month....