Anybody seeing anything interesting yet? I have my own opinions about what happened (and it ain't what is in the Warren Commission Report, I'll tell you that.)

November '63 - I Wanna Be Your Man released, second single

Only thing I've read so far that's very eerie is that Cambridge News received an anonymous tip 25 minutes prior to the assassination that something big was coming:

[www.bbc.com]

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Only thing I've read so far that's very eerie is that Cambridge News received an anonymous tip 25 minutes prior to the assassination that something big was coming:

[www.bbc.com]

Definitely, I mean, I don't think anyone believes it was Oswald who made that call

Maybe not but he pulled that trigger. The lone sociopath as always.

Oswald did it. He sat on his perch on the 6th floor and shot JFK. The only question is A) was he trying to reach a pre-arranged safehouse after fleeing the scene? did someone else know what he was doing? That's it. End of story.



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Oswald did. He sat on his perch on the 6th floor and shot JFK. The only question is A) was he trying to reach a pre-arranged safehouse after fleeing the scene? did someone else know what he was doing? That's it. End of story.

Yupe. I agree.

Someone else knew he was doing it. Only question is who?

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Someone else knew he was doing it. Only question is who?

It was me and you.
(couldn’t resist)
I had a spell where I read a few JFK books, watched a movie or 2,
have read a few times his magnificent last speech,
but the dark element the nations profound lost,
it's enough, for me. But there is a real ripple of evil there I think.

What about the glassy gnome?

I heard he was the second shooter...because he was so short no one even noticed him.

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Someone else knew he was doing it. Only question is who?

There's no evidence for that, showing that someone else knew exactly what he was doing. After all the actual parade route was only announced a day before Oswald shot him. The only thing out of the ordinary I believe is that he was possibly on his way to a safe house after he killed Kennedy. He was trying to get somewhere definite before he had to shoot the cop and his whole plan blew up. Stupid Ruby.

Oswald may have fired from the Depository, but the fatal head shot was fired from the front, most likely by Herminio Diaz Garcia. See the most recent edition of "Not In Your Lifetime" by Anthony Summers for more details on this. Some CIA officials such as William Harvey and David Phillips were also certainly involved in the plot. And Jack Ruby had close ties to the Mafia bosses in Chicago and Dallas, who ordered him to eliminate Oswald. The plot grew out of the CIA-Mafia plots against Castro, but morphed into a plot to kill JFK.

I can't even wrap my head around all of the competing theories that exist out there. The sheer volume of books alone written on the topic is absolutely overwhelming and exhausting. There are so many professional and well-researched books that manage to come to totally different conclusions, not to mention all of the ludicrous, attention-seeking theories.

Although a lot of people scoff when I say this, I'm NOT prone to believing conspiracy theories, but in the case of the JFK assassination, I don't think it's unreasonable to be skeptical of the Warren Commission report and of the "official" government narrative.

It will almost certainly remain an unsettled matter in the eyes of many people forever.

This was my pet thing 25+ years ago, reading and owning dozens of books and watching every new documentary that popped up. I was over it by the time the Bugliosi book came out but also was absolutely convinced it really was Oswald acting alone.

At least part of it is the same problem we are seeing now where the vast majority of the citizenry isn't smart or sophisticated enough to parse the massive information overload thrust upon us on top of massive cultural changes taking place.

Still enjoy the JFK movie and watched it a year ago even though it's a total work of fiction.

If Oswald supposedly did it, then why hide everything for so long?

Hey folks, 102 years ago an ocean liner was sunk by a German submarine.

For years and years there was a "conspiracy theory" that it was used as bait to get the United States into a European war. Over 1,000 civilians were killed, 128 of them U.S. citizens.

But, hey, guess what? The government documents were finally declassified and made public in the 1990s, over 80 years after the fact. No major uprising, though, because no one alive since has had an emotional stake in the disaster.

Does anyone contributing to this thread care about the people who died on the Lusitania, that they were used as props by the U.S. and British governments? If you knew the truth, would you go out protesting Washington DC and 10 Downing Street demanding justice?

No, of course not, and neither will folks on message boards in 2065 who have full access to the truth about JFK's murder, nor the folks in 2101 who have all the facts relating to "9/11".

So, for now, and for the rest of your lives, don't bother speculating: JFK was killed by a magic bullet, and "9/11" happened because of box cutters -- that's right, the U.S. Constitution was shredded and citizens in the "free world" lost their civil liberties because of a pair of box cutters.

Now, just go back to sleep, and let future generations sort out issues of police state security vs. basic rights and freedoms.

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If Oswald supposedly did it, then why hide everything for so long?

I am pretty sure what's hidden isn't evidence of other killers though once it all comes out we will know for sure - what's in the files. Naturally there won't be proof of anything to anyone clinging to their own version of the truth.

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This was my pet thing 25+ years ago, reading and owning dozens of books and watching every new documentary that popped up. I was over it by the time the Bugliosi book came out but also was absolutely convinced it really was Oswald acting alone.

At least part of it is the same problem we are seeing now where the vast majority of the citizenry isn't smart or sophisticated enough to parse the massive information overload thrust upon us on top of massive cultural changes taking place.

Still enjoy the JFK movie and watched it a year ago even though it's a total work of fiction.

Even Oliver Stone openly admitted he twisted the truth with that in a huge way, yet there are still some who cite that movie as the gospel truth.

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Stonehearted,good point. Nothing is going to come of this, even if it happens. Can't believe they would come out and admit to wrong doing, if there was any. I mean really, are they going to say yes we conspired to kill the President. I think Trump is off myself, but not on this kind of level.

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roundnround
Oswald may have fired from the Depository, but the fatal head shot was fired from the front, most likely by Herminio Diaz Garcia.

Or David Sanchez Morales...
As for Oswald the "inadpated" "loser" he was a (US) spook by the age of 19. Not bad huh for a "loser". As a Marine he was sent to Atsugi (Japan) to work on the super-secret U2 stealth plane.
A few years later the Agency re-invented Oswald as man delusioned with the American way of life and wanting to live the Russian dream. So he was sent to USSR to spy on the Comunnists.

As for Atsugi it was a super-secret mission only a handful of US agents could be entrusted with.

Was Oswald in Dallas on 1963-11-22. Yes he was... He was probably waiting to be sent (by plane) to his next mission : Cuba.

But the rogue agents among the CIA/FBI cabale to kill JFK had decided he'd be the biggest patsy in the history of America...

Another element of thought : google "Lee Harvey Oswald" + "John Hurt". Your intelllectual landscape will broaden.

I think the passage of time has solidified the fact and theory of Oswald being the lone nut gunman.

The trouble with conspiracies is that someone will talk eventually. That has never happened in this case.

If LHO was the lone gunman why did dozens of witnesses die in the years following the assassination... One example is Lee Bowers but there are so many...

My favorite theory is that Oswald fired and a Secret Service agent was startled by the gunshot and accidentally pulled his own trigger and shot the president.
I don't think that's true, but the whole thing seems more random and accidental than the result of some conspiracy.
Oswald's shot itself was one in a million. It's hard for the human mind to accept such bad luck. Most presidents are assassination targets and a couple of them -- Ford, Reagan -- survived through good luck. Kennedy was a victim of bad luck.

so many losers, so many conspiracy theories.

the book "case closed" spells out what happened. the saddest fact is the secret service could have saved the day IF those losers had done their job correctly. the first shot ricocheted off of a twig. each one, except rufus youngblood, thought it was a firecracker and did nothing.

the one true, unanswered question is when did marina check to see if the rifle was still in the garage? oswald showed up unannounced thursday night when the payne household was talking about the parade route passing by the depository. he begged marina for another chance and when rejected went to bed early. he left early friday leaving behind $100+ dollars and his wedding ring, which was a significant act in russian culture.

marina already knew he shot at gen. walker and missed. she told earl warren she didn't check for the rifle until after the fact, but is that realistic based on his previous actions? she probably expected to be sent back to russia for not turning in oswald in april. more than likely she checked for the rifle soon after she awoke and prayed the moron would fail again, like he did with gen. walker. with a clear and easy shot the idiot still need to fire three times.

"After all it was you and me".

Case closed.


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the first shot ricocheted off of a twig

????

Since when do bullets ricochet off twigs?
That was a fairly powerful rifle, powerful enough to literally blow someones head off...and you're saying that one of the shots ricocheted off of a twig?
Not trying to be snarky, just curious as to what you mean by that.

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Oswald may have fired from the Depository, but the fatal head shot was fired from the front, most likely by Herminio Diaz Garcia.

Or David Sanchez Morales...
As for Oswald the "inadpated" "loser" he was a (US) spook by the age of 19. Not bad huh for a "loser". As a Marine he was sent to Atsugi (Japan) to work on the super-secret U2 stealth plane.
A few years later the Agency re-invented Oswald as man delusioned with the American way of life and wanting to live the Russian dream. So he was sent to USSR to spy on the Comunnists.

As for Atsugi it was a super-secret mission only a handful of US agents could be entrusted with.

Was Oswald in Dallas on 1963-11-22. Yes he was... He was probably waiting to be sent (by plane) to his next mission : Cuba.

But the rogue agents among the CIA/FBI cabale to kill JFK had decided he'd be the biggest patsy in the history of America...

Another element of thought : google "Lee Harvey Oswald" + "John Hurt". Your intelllectual landscape will broaden.

Very good analysis... David Sanchez Morales is indeed a prime suspect. See discussion of him in Gaeton Fonzi's book "The Last Investigation". Morales was a CIA hitman, fluent in Spanish and English, close to William Harvey and mobster Johnny Rosselli. Late in life, Morales said, "We took care of Kennedy, didn't we?"

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Oswald may have fired from the Depository, but the fatal head shot was fired from the front, most likely by Herminio Diaz Garcia. See the most recent edition of "Not In Your Lifetime" by Anthony Summers for more details on this. Some CIA officials such as William Harvey and David Phillips were also certainly involved in the plot. And Jack Ruby had close ties to the Mafia bosses in Chicago and Dallas, who ordered him to eliminate Oswald. The plot grew out of the CIA-Mafia plots against Castro, but morphed into a plot to kill JFK.

Oh for the love of God, just youtube the tests. This has been debunked for years and years. You should see the documentary aired on the Science Network 2 nights ago about Ruby will change your mind completely, [m.youtube.com]

E. Howard Hunt was a CIA operative who was involved with both the Bay of Pigs and the Watergate break-in, and did time for his role in the latter.

He died in 2007 and two of his sons shopped around audio tapes of him giving a supposed deathbed confession about his role in the assassination, while also implicating LBJ, Cord Meyer, Frank Sturgis, and others.

However, his widow and other children allege they took advantage of his illness and senility to get him to confess, and media outlets that have examined the tapes found them inconclusive.

As shocking as the death of JFK was, the fact Oswald was 'escorted out in the open' and then killed was even more bizarre.
Maybe living in the UK, I have a different perspective on such things. Just seemed the height of stupidity. Even in third world countries you wouldn't expect that.