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stonehearted
Oh, and by the way, if the Spirit lawsuit wins for Taurus, they should be charitable and split the winnings with The Chocolate Watch Band, also without whom, apparently, the stairway would not have "led" anywhere in particular, at least not to classic rock heaven.
Zeppelin opened for Spirit on one of their early U.S. tours and Page is said to have taken a keen interest in the Taurus instrumental, and The Chocolate Watch Band had toured with the Jimmy Page era Yardbirds.
"But it is that holiest of Holy Grails, 'Stairway To Heaven,' that will shock the faithful. On one of Led Zeppelin's early tours, they had opened for the California art-rock group, Spirit. In the liner notes to the reissue of Spirit's 1968 eponymous debut, the band's guitarist Randy California mentions the fact that Jimmy Page took special interest in an original entitled 'Taurus.' There is no doubt that Page appropriated the opening guitar lines note for note on 'Stairway To Heaven.' Further, the chord progression in 'Stairway To Heaven' is incredibly similar to a song by the Chocolate Watch Band, 'And She's Lonely.' The Yardbirds played with the Chocolate Watch Band during Page's tenure. It would be quite ironic if he did indeed lift the chords from the Chocolate Watch Band. The Chocolate Watch Band, to those in the know, were the ultimate Yardbirds clone. Wouldn't it be fitting that a former Yardbirds guitarist ripped off something from a band that based an entire career around sounding like that famed quintet?"
--Music critic Will Shade, from Perfect Sound Forever, 2001
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Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
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Stairway has been out for 40+ years and now Spirit is suing? Ever hear of something called a statute of limitations?
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Stairway has been out for 40+ years and now Spirit is suing? Ever hear of something called a statute of limitations?
Good lord, this comment is really nonsense in all respects. This time it's superfluous to argue why, because it's so obvious.
Just like the former one, saying that Stairway isn't exactly the same as Taurus. Of course not, but it is clearly plagiarism, even though both songs are not literally the samen. This is the umpthiest time this band has committed plagiarism. And plagiarism is NOT the same as Being Inpired by or something! Hard for the fans of this second or third rate band.
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Stairway has been out for 40+ years and now Spirit is suing? Ever hear of something called a statute of limitations?
Good lord, this comment is really nonsense in all respects. This time it's superfluous to argue why, because it's so obvious.
Just like the former one, saying that Stairway isn't exactly the same as Taurus. Of course not, but it is clearly plagiarism, even though both songs are not literally the samen. This is the umpthiest time this band has committed plagiarism. And plagiarism is NOT the same as Being Inpired by or something! Hard for the fans of this second or third rate band.
It could be said that you make some decent points, even though I disagree, but you lose ALL credibility when you call them a second or third rate band.
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Stairway has been out for 40+ years and now Spirit is suing? Ever hear of something called a statute of limitations?
Good lord, this comment is really nonsense in all respects. This time it's superfluous to argue why, because it's so obvious.
Just like the former one, saying that Stairway isn't exactly the same as Taurus. Of course not, but it is clearly plagiarism, even though both songs are not literally the samen. This is the umpthiest time this band has committed plagiarism. And plagiarism is NOT the same as Being Inpired by or something! Hard for the fans of this second or third rate band.
It could be said that you make some decent points, even though I disagree, but you lose ALL credibility when you call them a second or third rate band.
That is of course my personal opinion , because I don't like their music. Totally different from the Beatles and Stones level (imho).
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Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
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Stairway has been out for 40+ years and now Spirit is suing? Ever hear of something called a statute of limitations?
Good lord, this comment is really nonsense in all respects. This time it's superfluous to argue why, because it's so obvious.
Just like the former one, saying that Stairway isn't exactly the same as Taurus. Of course not, but it is clearly plagiarism, even though both songs are not literally the samen. This is the umpthiest time this band has committed plagiarism. And plagiarism is NOT the same as Being Inpired by or something! Hard for the fans of this second or third rate band.
It could be said that you make some decent points, even though I disagree, but you lose ALL credibility when you call them a second or third rate band.
That is of course my personal opinion , because I don't like their music. Totally different from the Beatles and Stones level (imho).
Got it.
But when someone makes an opinion sound like fact, to me it loses something. For me, personally, when I state an opinion, I try to let it be known, it's just an opinion, but that's just me.
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Here's a very telling clip on how the Doors put together the song Break On Through, which was essentially a musical cut and paste of what each band member was listening to at the time. After Ray Manzarek demonstrates the Ray Charles keyboard riff he lifted for the song, he shamelessly boasts, "We'd steal from anybody."
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stonehearted
Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
Not fair to criticize? Really.
If someone likes Zeppelin's ( well its not really their music ) music despite this that's fine. No reason to change the way you feel about their music.
The only thing this should change is how Zeppelin is looked at as artists, not how they sound. This is like people finding out the Stones ripped off most of their music from the 68-72 period, or the Beatles ripped off their music from 66-69 period.
Because of this ( and I would have said this before I found out they ripoff their best music ) there is no way in hell anyone should put them in the same league with artists like the Stones, Beatles, or Dylan who are real artists and wrote the great majority of their great music. Zeppelin sounds good to a lot of people but they are not geniuses who created a lot of great music.
That's all that changes with all of this..
Here is their career to me.
First 4 albums most of it stolen music and their best music.
5th album very average
6th album good album
7th album sucked
8th album average at best..
coda sucked.
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Jah Paul
Yup, awful band...couldn't write anything on their own.
Good Times Bad Times
Communication Breakdown
Your Time Is Gonna Come
What Is and What Should Never Be
Thank You
Hearbreaker
Living Loving Maid
Ramble On
Immigrant Song
Celebration Day
Since I've Been Loving You
Tangerine
That's The Way
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Black Dog
Rock and Roll
The Battle of Evermore
Stairway To Heaven
Misty Mountain Hop
Going to California
The Song Remains The Same
The Rain Song
Over the Hills and Far Away
Dancing Days
The Ocean
The Rover
Houses of the Holy
Trampled Under Foot
Kashmir
In The Light
Down By The Seaside
Ten Years Gone
Night Flight
The Wanton Song
Black Country Woman
Sick Again
Achilles Last Stand
For Your Life
Royal Orleans
Candy Store Rock
Hots On For Nowhere
Tea for One
In The Evening
Fool in the Rain
All My Love
Ozone Baby
I'm Gonna Crawl
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Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
Not fair to criticize? Really.
If someone likes Zeppelin's ( well its not really their music ) music despite this that's fine. No reason to change the way you feel about their music.
The only thing this should change is how Zeppelin is looked at as artists, not how they sound. This is like people finding out the Stones ripped off most of their music from the 68-72 period, or the Beatles ripped off their music from 66-69 period.
Because of this ( and I would have said this before I found out they ripoff their best music ) there is no way in hell anyone should put them in the same league with artists like the Stones, Beatles, or Dylan who are real artists and wrote the great majority of their great music. Zeppelin sounds good to a lot of people but they are not geniuses who created a lot of great music.
That's all that changes with all of this..
Here is their career to me.
First 4 albums most of it stolen music and their best music.
5th album very average
6th album good album
7th album sucked
8th album average at best..
coda sucked.
Yup, awful band...couldn't write anything on their own.
Good Times Bad Times
Communication Breakdown
Your Time Is Gonna Come
What Is and What Should Never Be
Thank You
Hearbreaker
Living Loving Maid
Ramble On
Immigrant Song
Celebration Day
Since I've Been Loving You
Tangerine
That's The Way
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Black Dog
Rock and Roll
The Battle of Evermore
Stairway To Heaven
Misty Mountain Hop
Going to California
The Song Remains The Same
The Rain Song
Over the Hills and Far Away
Dancing Days
The Ocean
The Rover
Houses of the Holy
Trampled Under Foot
Kashmir
In The Light
Down By The Seaside
Ten Years Gone
Night Flight
The Wanton Song
Black Country Woman
Sick Again
Achilles Last Stand
For Your Life
Royal Orleans
Candy Store Rock
Hots On For Nowhere
Tea for One
In The Evening
Fool in the Rain
All My Love
Ozone Baby
I'm Gonna Crawl
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Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
Not fair to criticize? Really.
If someone likes Zeppelin's ( well its not really their music ) music despite this that's fine. No reason to change the way you feel about their music.
The only thing this should change is how Zeppelin is looked at as artists, not how they sound. This is like people finding out the Stones ripped off most of their music from the 68-72 period, or the Beatles ripped off their music from 66-69 period.
Because of this ( and I would have said this before I found out they ripoff their best music ) there is no way in hell anyone should put them in the same league with artists like the Stones, Beatles, or Dylan who are real artists and wrote the great majority of their great music. Zeppelin sounds good to a lot of people but they are not geniuses who created a lot of great music.
That's all that changes with all of this..
Here is their career to me.
First 4 albums most of it stolen music and their best music.
5th album very average
6th album good album
7th album sucked
8th album average at best..
coda sucked.
Yup, awful band...couldn't write anything on their own.
Good Times Bad Times
Communication Breakdown
Your Time Is Gonna Come
What Is and What Should Never Be
Thank You
Hearbreaker
Living Loving Maid
Ramble On
Immigrant Song
Celebration Day
Since I've Been Loving You
Tangerine
That's The Way
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Black Dog
Rock and Roll
The Battle of Evermore
Stairway To Heaven
Misty Mountain Hop
Going to California
The Song Remains The Same
The Rain Song
Over the Hills and Far Away
Dancing Days
The Ocean
The Rover
Houses of the Holy
Trampled Under Foot
Kashmir
In The Light
Down By The Seaside
Ten Years Gone
Night Flight
The Wanton Song
Black Country Woman
Sick Again
Achilles Last Stand
For Your Life
Royal Orleans
Candy Store Rock
Hots On For Nowhere
Tea for One
In The Evening
Fool in the Rain
All My Love
Ozone Baby
I'm Gonna Crawl
I know you love to pull this out everytime. Anyone can write songs the issue is are they good. I noticed you put Stairway in there one that was stolen. How many others on your lists were stolen?
Many on your list are pure crap..
fact is compared to great bands like the Stones and Beatles Zeppelin didn't write many really good songs...Your list just proves that once again.
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Good Times Bad Times
Communication Breakdown
Your Time Is Gonna Come
What Is and What Should Never Be
Thank You
Hearbreaker
Living Loving Maid
Ramble On
Immigrant Song
Celebration Day
Since I've Been Loving You
Tangerine
That's The Way
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Black Dog
Rock and Roll
The Battle of Evermore
Stairway To Heaven
Misty Mountain Hop
Going to California
The Song Remains The Same
The Rain Song
Over the Hills and Far Away
Dancing Days
The Ocean
The Rover
Houses of the Holy
Trampled Under Foot
Kashmir
In The Light
Down By The Seaside
Ten Years Gone
Night Flight
The Wanton Song
Black Country Woman
Sick Again
Achilles Last Stand
For Your Life
Royal Orleans
Candy Store Rock
Hots On For Nowhere
Tea for One
In The Evening
Fool in the Rain
All My Love
Ozone Baby
I'm Gonna Crawl
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All?
I don't know about Candy Store Rock....probably the only LZ song I never liked.
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Stairway To Heaven is plagiarism in its purest form. Led Zeppelin, a fake band.
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Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
Not fair to criticize? Really.
If someone likes Zeppelin's ( well its not really their music ) music despite this that's fine. No reason to change the way you feel about their music.
The only thing this should change is how Zeppelin is looked at as artists, not how they sound. This is like people finding out the Stones ripped off most of their music from the 68-72 period, or the Beatles ripped off their music from 66-69 period.
Because of this ( and I would have said this before I found out they ripoff their best music ) there is no way in hell anyone should put them in the same league with artists like the Stones, Beatles, or Dylan who are real artists and wrote the great majority of their great music. Zeppelin sounds good to a lot of people but they are not geniuses who created a lot of great music.
That's all that changes with all of this..
Here is their career to me.
First 4 albums most of it stolen music and their best music.
5th album very average
6th album good album
7th album sucked
8th album average at best..
coda sucked.
Yup, awful band...couldn't write anything on their own.
Good Times Bad Times
Communication Breakdown
Your Time Is Gonna Come
What Is and What Should Never Be
Thank You
Hearbreaker
Living Loving Maid
Ramble On
Immigrant Song
Celebration Day
Since I've Been Loving You
Tangerine
That's The Way
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Black Dog
Rock and Roll
The Battle of Evermore
Stairway To Heaven
Misty Mountain Hop
Going to California
The Song Remains The Same
The Rain Song
Over the Hills and Far Away
Dancing Days
The Ocean
The Rover
Houses of the Holy
Trampled Under Foot
Kashmir
In The Light
Down By The Seaside
Ten Years Gone
Night Flight
The Wanton Song
Black Country Woman
Sick Again
Achilles Last Stand
For Your Life
Royal Orleans
Candy Store Rock
Hots On For Nowhere
Tea for One
In The Evening
Fool in the Rain
All My Love
Ozone Baby
I'm Gonna Crawl
I know you love to pull this out everytime. Anyone can write songs the issue is are they good. I noticed you put Stairway in there one that was stolen. How many others on your lists were stolen?
Many on your list are pure crap..
fact is compared to great bands like the Stones and Beatles Zeppelin didn't write many really good songs...Your list just proves that once again.
You may not like them, but they're all really good. Sorry.
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Wow! How about that one? Really, though, I think Page may have cleverly combined the Spirit and Nick Drake intros to craft something unique. While similar, I don't think it's (Stairway) exactly the same as Taurus. More than mere plagiarism, I think this case merely gets into deconstructing how musicians create. It's unfair to criticize Page/Zeppelin, when there are so many others--it's not like Harrison and He's so Fine, where the same melody is clearly running through the entire My Sweet Lord song so that you could substitute words interchangeably without disrupting the meter or the melody.
Not fair to criticize? Really.
If someone likes Zeppelin's ( well its not really their music ) music despite this that's fine. No reason to change the way you feel about their music.
The only thing this should change is how Zeppelin is looked at as artists, not how they sound. This is like people finding out the Stones ripped off most of their music from the 68-72 period, or the Beatles ripped off their music from 66-69 period.
Because of this ( and I would have said this before I found out they ripoff their best music ) there is no way in hell anyone should put them in the same league with artists like the Stones, Beatles, or Dylan who are real artists and wrote the great majority of their great music. Zeppelin sounds good to a lot of people but they are not geniuses who created a lot of great music.
That's all that changes with all of this..
Here is their career to me.
First 4 albums most of it stolen music and their best music.
5th album very average
6th album good album
7th album sucked
8th album average at best..
coda sucked.
I know you love to pull this out everytime. Anyone can write songs the issue is are they good. I noticed you put Stairway in there one that was stolen. How many others on your lists were stolen?
Many on your list are pure crap..
fact is compared to great bands like the Stones and Beatles Zeppelin didn't write many really good songs...Your list just proves that once again.
You may not like them, but they're all really good. Sorry.
If you say so. I think most are utter crap.
And the point is if you think you are taking away the songs that Zeppelin flat out stole and their catalog would still compare to others you are out of your mind..
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I do think Jumping Jack Flash's main riff does sound quite a bit like the one from Mr. Soul by Buffalo Springfield/Neil Young.
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This is what I kind of like about Aerosmith, appeal of their songs is probably quite a ways behind these other groups but they did seem to write, create their own songs for the most part.
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Elmo Lewis
"Mr. Soul" actually sound like a rip-off of "Satisfaction" to me.
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"Mr. Soul" actually sound like a rip-off of "Satisfaction" to me.
... and Satisfaction is a rip off of the horns on Nowhere To Run.
Around and around it goes.
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good luck getting a penny out of jimmy page. this is not his first time round the block , the oldest story in the annals of the mighty led zeppelin .all of the old bluesman (willie dixon ) could not get a dime from them and this guy thinks he is gonna get some !