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snorton
it came after George Harrison saw Peter Grant somewhere, and asked why doesn't Zepp ever do a nice ballad...
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OpenG
How the West was one( CD1) is now my favorite live recordings I have of Led from La Forum and LA Colisuem.
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OpenG
How the West was one( CD1) is now my favorite live recordings I have of Led from La Forum and LA Colisuem.
How The West Was Won is truly a brilliant live record. That first disc is killer and that 3rd disc always slays me. 20 minute Whole Lotta Love, the best version of Rock And Roll I've ever heard, a killer rendition of The Ocean and wrapping all up with a 10 minute Bring It On Home. They should have included more on that disc, as there's still like 30 minutes of time, but an excellent release all around.
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SomeGuy
One could argue that Page nicked the art of nicking from Harrison as it were.
Seriously, quoting an existing song in your own song is not stealing but, well, quoting. No infringement of copyright there, and a phenomenon that is as old as music -and art in general- itself.
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dcba
the 3hrs+ concerts, the pomp (laser beams! dry ice!) all this was destined to be swept away (and it was).
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His Majesty
This stuff was not swept away, it became the norm for concerts.
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SomeGuy
One could argue that Page nicked the art of nicking from Harrison as it were.
Seriously, quoting an existing song in your own song is not stealing but, well, quoting. No infringement of copyright there, and a phenomenon that is as old as music -and art in general- itself.
On behalf of all the musicians who were never able to defend their work, either because they had passed away or didn't have the money to sue, there was plenty of copyright infringement when it came to Led Zeppelin. It is well documented within many lawsuits filed over the years, but it may in part be forgotten due to the lawsuits that never got to be filed. Page didn't only "quote" songs. Yeah, he did that too, like many musicians have done since the beginning of music, as you pointed out. But he also lifted songs largely as they were and put his (and Plant's) name on them, rather than saying "trad. arranged by" or something along those lines. As someone who was in journalism for more than 20 years, when you "quote" someone you don't put your name on it, you attribute it. Much of this lack of attribution was corrected on more recent editions of Zeppelin albums (i.e. "trad. arranged by" or actually including the author's name), but not all of it. Zeppelin's biggest hit owes a lot to Muddy Waters' "You Need Love" and there was initially no such credit on the song. Dazed and Confused, When the Levee Breaks, Gallow's Pole, Nobody'y Fault But Mine, Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You, In My Time of Dying, Black Water Side, etc., etc...the list really goes on and on. I like Led Zeppelin a lot and Page wrote a lot of great riffs, but Page most definitely did more than "quote" on many a Zeppelin song, come on.
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His Majesty
This stuff was not swept away, it became the norm for concerts.
For whom? The Dead (who were already playing borefests)? Phish? (yawn!) Metallica during the 91/92 tour? They quickly retreated to a 2/2h10 format for the next tour.
That's the problem with LZ they never really evolved they just grew (fat). From 90' gigs to 3h45 in 1977. In 70 a version of "Dazed and Confused" would last 15 minutes. In 1975 it would be up to 45 minutes.
The Stones did evolve, change the setlists, change the shape of their shows.LZ never did. It was just "more than the previous tour".
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His Majesty
This stuff was not swept away, it became the norm for concerts.
For whom?
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dcba
One might think diffently : in 8 short years (69-77) they went from a speedy not-very-orginal blues band to a bunch of dinosaurs crawling onstage.
The British punk revolution was aimed at LZ a lot more than it was aimed at the Stones : the genuine but phoney virtuosity, the 3hrs+ concerts, the pomp (laser beams! dry ice!) all this was destined to be swept away (and it was).
The Stones survived the punk revolution easily and they made a great album out of it (SG) while LZ just sank like a WWI destroyer : a botched studio album ("In Through the Out Door") then a disastrous 1980 tour and that was it... Goodbye!
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dcba
One might think diffently : in 8 short years (69-77) they went from a speedy not-very-orginal blues band to a bunch of dinosaurs crawling onstage.
The British punk revolution was aimed at LZ a lot more than it was aimed at the Stones : the genuine but phoney virtuosity, the 3hrs+ concerts, the pomp (laser beams! dry ice!) all this was destined to be swept away (and it was).
The Stones survived the punk revolution easily and they made a great album out of it (SG) while LZ just sank like a WWI destroyer : a botched studio album ("In Through the Out Door") then a disastrous 1980 tour and that was it... Goodbye!
Some good points. To me, "In The Evening" is the pompous, bloated sound of a dinosaur slowly dying on it's back. I've never understood why that people like that track, or why it got so much airplay on FM radio.
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keefriff99
God, I know it's pointless to speculate, but I really wonder what would have happened to Zeppelin had Bonham not died.
I could see them struggling through the fads of the '80s like all the other '60s/'70s heritage acts, and then re-finding their roots in the early '90s once the grunge/alternative wave hit big.
They may have even split in the '80s and reunited in the '90s.
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keefriff99
God, I know it's pointless to speculate, but I really wonder what would have happened to Zeppelin had Bonham not died.
I could see them struggling through the fads of the '80s like all the other '60s/'70s heritage acts, and then re-finding their roots in the early '90s once the grunge/alternative wave hit big.
They may have even split in the '80s and reunited in the '90s.
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keefriff99
God, I know it's pointless to speculate, but I really wonder what would have happened to Zeppelin had Bonham not died.
I could see them struggling through the fads of the '80s like all the other '60s/'70s heritage acts, and then re-finding their roots in the early '90s once the grunge/alternative wave hit big.