Where did this song come from? I have many bootlegs fo the 69-73 range and I have never heard anything that sounds like it. Was the song completely new?

I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

That is what was reported. I am sure there are a lot of things that haven't made it to boot. Like Title 5, that hasn't circulated on any boots, nor did the alternate Soul Survivor. So that stuff probably is the tip of the iceberg...

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Like Title 5, that hasn't circulated on any boots, nor did the alternate Soul Survivor. So that stuff probably is the tip of the iceberg...

Which is an oddity or an inside joke or something I can't grasp being there, and I don't have heard any official word of its history, etc. Namely, there were some convincing arguments presented here for claiming that the jam dates from 1967, and absolutely nothing to do with EXILE project...

- Doxa

Wasnt there an extended jam version w no vocals or lead of plundered? Just electric bass and drums. I remember listening to it and theb listening to pms and really thinking it was obvious were this jam was cut and pasted to make turn arounds and chorus on the final version. I swear it was on a boot called rolling stones by numbers or something? An obvious play on the who album. I thought i saw it on you tube as well. If i did i bet the link was posted from iorr.org. I could be wrong.

Go Dawgs!

Actually i think the boot was called can you hear the guitar.

Go Dawgs!

What song do you mean - "Trident Jam?"

William- i am not sure. Possibly.

Go Dawgs!

new lycrics I suppose. about a dude wondering how/why some drunk witty bitch has misread his signals...

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

Bollocks. The orginal instrumental had rhythm guitar by Richards, sax by Keys, piano by Hopkins, drums by Watts and bass by Wyman.

New additions are acoustic guitar by Jagger, electric lead by Taylor, and lead and backing vocals.

Mathijs

there is absolutely nobody who can convince me that "Title 5" is NOT from 1967. but I'm open to ideas :-P

its a great song,soung like mick could of done the vocals 40 years ago.he is amazing.

i'm not going to start a new thread just to ask this "what if" question, but if the finished version of plundered my soul were released in 1972 instead of 2010 do you think it would of been a hit single?

No more so than Tumbling Dice was. They're similar in a way. Over all feel etc. Tumbling Dice is the better of the two of course.

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its a great song,soung like mick could of done the vocals 40 years ago.he is amazing.

I wasn't aware that Mick was doing his Charles Nelson Reilly impersonation voice in 1972. To me, the vocal sounds like there is at least, well, 38 years between it and the instrumental part. I'm in the minority here, I realize, but Pludered My Soul would've been a heckava lot better had they reissued it as an instrumental without new vocals...

Anyone know where the outtake is or the name of it..?
cause i just heard Trident Jam and it sounds like the
All Down The Line outtake.

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I wasn't aware that Mick was doing his Charles Nelson Reilly impersonation voice in 1972. To me, the vocal sounds like there is at least, well, 38 years between it and the instrumental part. I'm in the minority here, I realize, but Pludered My Soul would've been a heckava lot better had they reissued it as an instrumental without new vocals...

Agreed. His OHH-VERRR-EN-UN-SEE-AYY-SHUUUN is really IRR-I-TAYYY-TINNG!

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i'm not going to start a new thread just to ask this "what if" question, but if the finished version of plundered my soul were released in 1972 instead of 2010 do you think it would of been a hit single?

I was a Stones fan when Exile was released, and although I was only 12 at the time, I was aware of the spirit of the age.
I would say yes, a big hit single

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

Nope, the rhythm guitar is Keith. Mick added acoustic guitar (my guess) and Taylor added one lead guitar track, judging from the audio we have.

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Anyone know where the outtake is or the name of it..?
cause i just heard Trident Jam and it sounds like the
All Down The Line outtake.

I'm mystified, too. I'm pretty familiar with the late sixties/early seventies bootlegs and didn't think I'd heard the basic track for "Plundered My Soul" before. The same with "Following the River." Likewise, "Pass the Wine" was new to me, but at least the working title "Sophia Loren" was familiar.

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

Nope, the rhythm guitar is Keith. Mick added acoustic guitar (my guess) and Taylor added one lead guitar track, judging from the audio we have.

I'am not going to argue about who played what anymore (hell broke loose in the past and none of us was in the studio), but Lightnin' seems a reliable source to me.

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Anyone know where the outtake is or the name of it..?
cause i just heard Trident Jam and it sounds like the
All Down The Line outtake.

I'm mystified, too. I'm pretty familiar with the late sixties/early seventies bootlegs and didn't think I'd heard the basic track for "Plundered My Soul" before. The same with "Following the River." Likewise, "Pass the Wine" was new to me, but at least the working title "Sophia Loren" was familiar.

Is there a chance that PMS with other unidentified "outtakes" is a brand new track from 2009 and that the stones thought the fans would assume
they are from exile era?

Im not bashing them or anything, i just think it's weird there isnt an official
outtake. btw PMS for me is one of there top ten songs ever.

If there was a rumor of such a thing, my vote would go to "Following the River" as the completely new song. The thing is I can't see them crediting Jimmy Miller, Nicky Hopkins, (to say nothing of Bill Wyman) and paying them for their work (except for Mick Taylor who does everything for free or so I'm told) if they didn't actually play on the tracks or produce (in the case of Jimmy Miller). I tend to believe they are what they say, outtakes finished forty years after the fact or thereabouts.

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If there was a rumor of such a thing, my vote would go to "Following the River" as the completely new song. The thing is I can't see them crediting Jimmy Miller, Nicky Hopkins, (to say nothing of Bill Wyman) and paying them for their work (except for Mick Taylor who does everything for free or so I'm told) if they didn't actually play on the tracks or produce (in the case of Jimmy Miller). I tend to believe they are what they say, outtakes finished forty years after the fact or thereabouts.

Yeah, its pretty easy to credit people who passed away like Jimmy miller
and Nicky Hopkins, they dont have to pay em.
Mick is quite the business man.
And as far as im concerned with Taylor, if its true about the "probono"
work he does with the Stones, hes a chump. poor "lil mick".

It is a good proof of the fact how good they are nowadays... No one would have been sure what was done around 1970 or in 2009 if it wasn´t for other infarmation than just the song itself.

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

Nope, the rhythm guitar is Keith. Mick added acoustic guitar (my guess) and Taylor added one lead guitar track, judging from the audio we have.

I'am not going to argue about who played what anymore (hell broke loose in the past and none of us was in the studio), but Lightnin' seems a reliable source to me.

The question is: Do you really believe Taylor played that rhythm guitar, or would he have done something more versatile if he did?

The (Exile outtakes) weren't all recorded in the same place. Some of them I really remembered, but some I didn't remember at all. Some of them were really together - maybe the one you've heard, it was called Plundered My Soul, that was perfect, you didn't have to edit, it was all perfect. Some of the others were much more loose jams.
- Mick Jagger, 2010


I’ve put Mick Taylor on Plundered My Soul, because he wasn’t on it. I wasn’t on it, he wasn’t on it, so obviously we were driving to the studio when that was done (laughs)... (I)t was very nice, it was just like the old days, you know, I just sat Mick down and we did it like half an hour...
- Mick Jagger, 2010

Let's not start that old debate again. It is clear Richards is on rhythm guitar, and if people want to believe something else they want to believe something else.

Mathijs

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

Nope, the rhythm guitar is Keith. Mick added acoustic guitar (my guess) and Taylor added one lead guitar track, judging from the audio we have.

I'am not going to argue about who played what anymore (hell broke loose in the past and none of us was in the studio), but Lightnin' seems a reliable source to me.

LOL! Now I got it. "Reliable source" meant that he was referring to you Well done! He also said he was not an expert, though

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I'm no expert, but what I recall from talk last year, it was a non-bootlegged instrumental, that was mostly done, but they brought Mick Taylor in for some lead and Mick in for vocals as there was none.

Please feel free to correct me if I've missed something.

There were no vocals, no melody and no lead guitar (at all). There was only some bass, drums and rudimentary acoustic strumming heard on the old tape. In fall 2009 Jagger added brandnew vocals after writing a melody and lyrics, while Taylor did various lead takes and several on rhythm guitar. Incidentally, neither Taylor or Jagger were involved with the original.

Nope, the rhythm guitar is Keith. Mick added acoustic guitar (my guess) and Taylor added one lead guitar track, judging from the audio we have.

I'am not going to argue about who played what anymore (hell broke loose in the past and none of us was in the studio), but Lightnin' seems a reliable source to me.

The question is: Do you really believe Taylor played that rhythm guitar, or would he have done something more versatile if he did?

I'am not even a pagan DP. I believe 'nothing' in life until the the opposite has been proven.