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Yeah, it does change the whole thing - the lyrics are the song.
Very inspiring!
"No Anchovies, Please"
Their worst song
Total garage here! Back to zero and this gem
WTF is a summer song?
I understand some just being bored by the song, subject or whatever.. or uninspired by the musical aspects etc..
But the 'worst-Stones-song-ever-in-the-history-of-Stones-songs' is funny to me.
Politics? The correlation to Bianca and her politics? Both tend to be polarizing topics... Maybe they think the Indian Girl is a commie..? Or just the spector of the Stones not singing about ass?
Or maybe they just get annoyed when those of us who love it, like me, praise it. Or maybe they just don't understand or care what the song is about and they dismiss it.
I guess I would be insulted if someone (like me) suggested I didn't like a song because I was too uninformed to understand it...
Who knows? I do know that if I was uninformed on this song's historical and political context, it's just rich-man Mick singing about poor people..and it loses a lot its power.
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Now I like Summer romance, good rocker
Totally agree. Nothing like the dreck of some of Dirty Work and many of the lame. forgettable paint-by-numbers hack jobs that have appeared on every LP since Doodoo Lounge. By those standards Indian Girl is quite good.
Sorry, but ALL CAPS doesn't make it true...
Plus, I'm a sucker for those Mariachi horns.
BUT IT IS TRUE
Yes, another reason to find the song interesting. 'Worst Stones Song Ever?' Puh-lease. 80% of Dirty Work and Voodoo Lounge and Undercover are worse than Indian Girl, not to mention a few select cuts on Satanic Majesties. Hell, Indian Girl isn't even the worst thing on the Emotional Rescue album.
I beg you don't know that well their discography then.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
Witness
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Date: August 18, 2013 13:19
Another older thread that has come up.
As to EMOTIONAL RESCUE, whereas the last five songs of the album to me express various kinds of negative feelings in a most fascinating way, this somewhat odd song immediately preceding those five, is one of their few overtly compassionate songs. Whether it is a "clever" song or not, I really don't know, and I don't care. I like the song's Latin American flavour, and, for all the sentimentality and sincerity involved, seemingly too much, I can see the basis for some to react against it, but to me not ending up that way, I quite the contrary find "Indian Girl" very moving. A smaller hidden outright gem, like so many others spread about their career.
As to EMOTIONAL RESCUE, whereas the last five songs of the album to me express various kinds of negative feelings in a most fascinating way, this somewhat odd song immediately preceding those five, is one of their few overtly compassionate songs. Whether it is a "clever" song or not, I really don't know, and I don't care. I like the song's Latin American flavour, and, for all the sentimentality and sincerity involved, seemingly too much, I can see the basis for some to react against it, but to me not ending up that way, I quite the contrary find "Indian Girl" very moving. A smaller hidden outright gem, like so many others spread about their career.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: August 18, 2013 19:22
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Marhsall
Not a fan of the lyrics.
Listening to it with out vocs. changes the whole thing.
Yeah, it does change the whole thing - the lyrics are the song.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
Title5Take1
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Date: July 1, 2014 02:51
Anyone interested in the "Castro" and "He's fighting in the war in the streets of Masaya" references in the song should read this article >>> [www.newrepublic.com]
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: July 1, 2014 19:10
Excellent find T5,
The song has real context about a very complex subject.
I believe this is Mick's best political song ever, in that it is political, its lyrics steeped in historical context, but also foretelling a catastrophe (the Sandinistas did become another Cuba-style oppressor. And this was when the Clash and others were celebrating them as true liberators like something out of a French novel. Mick, in his role as doubting Thomas, sees the danger of the revolutionary romance.
There is so much going on here, but on the surface, its seems simplistic: the poor, downtrodden people, the rag-tag rebels fighting against the monolithic enemy, and then rising up against it only to become what they rebelled against.
Mick knew what he was talking about, and the song is dismissed by those who know nothing about its roots in history.
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The song has real context about a very complex subject.
I believe this is Mick's best political song ever, in that it is political, its lyrics steeped in historical context, but also foretelling a catastrophe (the Sandinistas did become another Cuba-style oppressor. And this was when the Clash and others were celebrating them as true liberators like something out of a French novel. Mick, in his role as doubting Thomas, sees the danger of the revolutionary romance.
There is so much going on here, but on the surface, its seems simplistic: the poor, downtrodden people, the rag-tag rebels fighting against the monolithic enemy, and then rising up against it only to become what they rebelled against.
Mick knew what he was talking about, and the song is dismissed by those who know nothing about its roots in history.
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Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
StonesCat
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Date: July 1, 2014 19:42
Honestly, I used to hate this song, but more and more listens have led me to kind of enjoy it now. That "lesson number 1.....life just goes on and on" burrows into my brain for a day or two after I listen to it.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: July 1, 2014 20:13
This song pretty much went over people's heads in 1980, and so did it's big brother, 'Undercover of the Night' in 1983. They just wanted the Stones to recycle Chuck Berry licks and the Stones refused. Of course they pretty much quit after that, until 'Highwire', which was a bit of dud, and 'Sweet Neocon', which pissed off, of all people, Neocons.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
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Date: July 1, 2014 20:13
Very inspiring!
"No Anchovies, Please"
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
michaelsavage
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Date: July 1, 2014 22:54
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René
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
________________________________________________________________________________
Indian Girl
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)
Pathé Marconi Studios (EMI Studios), Boulogne-Billancourt, Paris, France,
June 10 - October 19, 1979 and Electric Ladyland Studios, New York City,
New York, US, November - December 1979
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - acoustic guitar, piano
Charlie Watts - drums
Bill Wyman - bass, synthesizer
Ron Wood - pedal steel guitar
Ian Stewart - marimbas
Nicky Hopkins - piano
Arif Mardin - horns
Little Indian girl, where is your momma?
Little Indian girl, where is your poppa?
He's fighting in the war in the streets of Masaya
All the children were dead, except for one girl who said:
Please Mister Gringo, please find my father
And I say: Lesson number one, that I learned while I was young
Life just goes on and on getting harder and harder
Little Indian girls, from Nueva, Granada
Ma says there's no food, there's nothing left in the larder
Last piece of meat was eaten by the soldiers that raped her
Lesson number one that, that you learn when you're young
Life just goes on and on getting harder and harder
Life just goes on and on getting harder and harder
Little Indian girls, from Nueva, Granada
Little Indian girls, from Nueva, Granada
Yes, I saw them today, it's a sight I would say
They're shooting down planes with their M-16 and with laughter
Mr. Gringo, my father he ain't no Che Guevara
And he's fighting the war on the streets of Masaya
Little Indian girl, where is your father?
Little Indian girl, where is your momma?
They're fighting for Mr. Castro in the streets of Angola
Produced by The Glimmer Twins
First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “Emotional Rescue” LP
(Rolling Stones Records CUN 39111) UK, June 23, 1980
Their worst song
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
black n blue
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Date: July 1, 2014 23:18
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Mathijs
Without a shadow of a doubt the most appalling song the Stones have ever recorded.
Mathijs
Total garage here! Back to zero and this gem
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
three16
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Date: July 2, 2014 03:43
I like this one a lot from ER. Another is Send It To Me.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: July 2, 2014 03:51
Most appalling song they ever recorded? Gimme a break. Too Much Blood and most of Dirty work, like Winning Ugly are much worse.
Indian Girl is a nice political ballad with a nice acoustic feel. I don't mind it at all. A nice summer song.
Indian Girl is a nice political ballad with a nice acoustic feel. I don't mind it at all. A nice summer song.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: July 2, 2014 05:22
<<'Sweet Neocon', which pissed off, of all people, Neocons.>>
If you read the lyrics, that was the intent.
You call yourself a Christian
I think that you're a hypocrite
You say you are a patriot
I think that you're a crock of shit
If you read the lyrics, that was the intent.
You call yourself a Christian
I think that you're a hypocrite
You say you are a patriot
I think that you're a crock of shit
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
black n blue
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Date: July 2, 2014 05:55
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whitem8
Most appalling song they ever recorded? Gimme a break. Too Much Blood and most of Dirty work, like Winning Ugly are much worse.
Indian Girl is a nice political ballad with a nice acoustic feel. I don't mind it at all. A nice summer song.
WTF is a summer song?
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: July 2, 2014 05:58
ER is a summer album. Came out during the summer and a lot of the songs have that summer feel. Summer Romance for one! And Indian Girl. Sound of the tropics.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
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Date: July 2, 2014 17:00
I suggest to realize a compilation entitled "Their Finest Desasters". "Indian Girl" is surely shining in this category ...
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: July 2, 2014 18:47
I knew the second this thread resurfaced that it would be controversial. Why such a sweet, of its time, Rolling Stones ballad would engender such hatred from some corners is confusing, but amusing. It's certainly one of the better songs on the lightweight Emotional Rescue album.
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Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
michaelsavage
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Date: July 2, 2014 20:53
Their WORST SONG EVER
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: July 2, 2014 22:58
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24FPS
I knew the second this thread resurfaced that it would be controversial. Why such a sweet, of its time, Rolling Stones ballad would engender such hatred from some corners is confusing, but amusing. It's certainly one of the better songs on the lightweight Emotional Rescue album.
I understand some just being bored by the song, subject or whatever.. or uninspired by the musical aspects etc..
But the 'worst-Stones-song-ever-in-the-history-of-Stones-songs' is funny to me.
Politics? The correlation to Bianca and her politics? Both tend to be polarizing topics... Maybe they think the Indian Girl is a commie..? Or just the spector of the Stones not singing about ass?
Or maybe they just get annoyed when those of us who love it, like me, praise it. Or maybe they just don't understand or care what the song is about and they dismiss it.
I guess I would be insulted if someone (like me) suggested I didn't like a song because I was too uninformed to understand it...
Who knows? I do know that if I was uninformed on this song's historical and political context, it's just rich-man Mick singing about poor people..and it loses a lot its power.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-02 23:01 by stupidguy2.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
black n blue
()
Date: July 3, 2014 04:17
Quote
whitem8
ER is a summer album. Came out during the summer and a lot of the songs have that summer feel. Summer Romance for one! And Indian Girl. Sound of the tropics.
Now I like Summer romance, good rocker
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
ifyacantrockme
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Date: July 3, 2014 04:38
Lyrically it is interesting and I admit I dismissed it for the most part of 30 years too. With some of the facts others have brought it up, it may not be as bad as I thought. But, really, what do we expect out of these guys? People are appalled when they sing about chicks because they are too old for that, or people don't like if the subject is controversial, they don't like if it's not in the context of sounding like 'Start Me Up'. Is it any wonder the guys have given up writing anything, the public is too damn hard to please and unwilling to let go of their own personal biases.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: July 3, 2014 04:58
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whitem8
Most appalling song they ever recorded? Gimme a break. Too Much Blood and most of Dirty work, like Winning Ugly are much worse.
Indian Girl is a nice political ballad with a nice acoustic feel. I don't mind it at all. A nice summer song.
Totally agree. Nothing like the dreck of some of Dirty Work and many of the lame. forgettable paint-by-numbers hack jobs that have appeared on every LP since Doodoo Lounge. By those standards Indian Girl is quite good.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: July 3, 2014 05:00
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michaelsavage
Their WORST SONG EVER
Sorry, but ALL CAPS doesn't make it true...
Plus, I'm a sucker for those Mariachi horns.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: July 3, 2014 05:07
And that comment from meekscary was coming from a guy defending Streets of Love! Really? Indian Girl is far better than Streets of Love.
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Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
jjo
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Date: July 3, 2014 20:01
Quote
71TeleQuote
michaelsavage
Their WORST SONG EVER
Sorry, but ALL CAPS doesn't make it true...
Plus, I'm a sucker for those Mariachi horns.
BUT IT IS TRUE
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: July 3, 2014 20:40
Quote
71Tele
Plus, I'm a sucker for those Mariachi horns.
Yes, another reason to find the song interesting. 'Worst Stones Song Ever?' Puh-lease. 80% of Dirty Work and Voodoo Lounge and Undercover are worse than Indian Girl, not to mention a few select cuts on Satanic Majesties. Hell, Indian Girl isn't even the worst thing on the Emotional Rescue album.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: July 4, 2014 12:02
I like the song, but I have to admit it sort of grew on me. Didn't use to like it so much.
But saying it's their worst ever, seems impossible. Although I can see the reasons why people don't like it (e.g. schmaltzy or fake-latin or "political" ), they have done much worse in all these senses (schmaltzy: Blinded By Love or Streets of Love, fake-latin: Sweethearts Together, "political": Sweet neocon, for instance).
I think the schmaltz works, somehow, the latin ends up kinda cute, the rhythm has something about it which makes it work, and the "politics" is sufficiently ambiguous to not make it sound preachy or downright silly (again, unlike "sweet neocon" ).
Just try listening to it again and again, and it will grow on you. Something which would be impossible for their all-time worst "Back To Zero" or "Sing Together" or nonsense like that. (Or that ridiculous wordplay of "in for me"/"infamy", another example of really cringeworthy)
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But saying it's their worst ever, seems impossible. Although I can see the reasons why people don't like it (e.g. schmaltzy or fake-latin or "political" ), they have done much worse in all these senses (schmaltzy: Blinded By Love or Streets of Love, fake-latin: Sweethearts Together, "political": Sweet neocon, for instance).
I think the schmaltz works, somehow, the latin ends up kinda cute, the rhythm has something about it which makes it work, and the "politics" is sufficiently ambiguous to not make it sound preachy or downright silly (again, unlike "sweet neocon" ).
Just try listening to it again and again, and it will grow on you. Something which would be impossible for their all-time worst "Back To Zero" or "Sing Together" or nonsense like that. (Or that ridiculous wordplay of "in for me"/"infamy", another example of really cringeworthy)
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Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
mitch
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Date: July 4, 2014 12:21
Quote
michaelsavage
Their worst song
I beg you don't know that well their discography then.
Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
bbkink
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Date: July 4, 2014 19:11
I always thought this was the Stones take on the Willy Deville/Mink Deville sound.
It's ok, I don't turn it off when comes on.
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It's ok, I don't turn it off when comes on.
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Re: Track Talk: Indian Girl
Posted by:
Gooo
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Date: July 4, 2014 21:02
Great song , real mature theme, great music.... Wish we had more like this
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