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OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: Toxic34 ()
Date: May 5, 2016 05:49

And so we come to the third and final part of my great '90s AOR comebacks cut short series. For this installment, we focus on Foreigner parting ways with Lou Gramm for the second time. As little has been written about Foreigner, much of the information here comes from Gramm's 2013 autobiography Juke Box Hero.

Following the flop of Foreigner's last album, 1991's Unusual Heat, Mick Jones and a newly clean and born-again Lou Gramm convened in L.A. around the time of the Rodney King riots. Gramm said he was willing to rejoin the band provided Jones and the current lineup stay clean and sober. Jones agreed, and they went to work recording 3 new songs for a '93 best of collection, the lead single of which, "Soul Doctor", went straight to #5 on the Mainstream Rock charts. They followed this up with a sold-out arena and amphitheater tour, which was documented on the concert video Live At Deer Creek. Gramm was in the absolute best shape of his life, and singing better than ever, as the video shows.

Afterwards, the band went to work on the full-length album Mr. Moonlight, which was released on Halloween '94 through a new record deal with Arista Records everywhere except North America. That release was handled by Rhythm Safari, a label set up by Priority Records, which came in February '95. However, the album performed to mixed reviews and results. The lead single, "Until The End Of Time" hit #8 on the Adult Contemporary charts and #42 in the Hot 100. Followup "Under The Gun" went to #28 Mainstream Rock, while the other 2 singles, "White Lie" and "Rain" failed to chart. However, the album performed like gangbusters internationally, as all 4 songs performed well, and crowds at the Mr. Moonlight tour already knew the lyrics by heart everywhere except the US. Gramm has blamed this on the fact that the company that would become Clear Channel/iHeartMedia was beginning its buying spree of radio stations into a conglomerate, and that they deliberately sabotaged the album by refusing to treat them as anything more than a heritage act. He states that "I never heard radio play for the singles at any time in America, at least never more than 45-second clips."

After touring throughout '95 and '96, the band began writing sessions for a new album with Marti Frederiksen. Gramm didn't think much of him, calling him "a professional hack named Marty (sic) something, who clearly had no idea of what he was doing." When not much progress was made, the band began to prep instead for a summer '97 tour of Japan. However, the day before the scheduled departure, Gramm went for a checkup due to sudden uncontrolled movements and hugely noticeable memory loss. He was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and the tour was off for him to begin treatment. The combo of surgery, radiation and chemotherapy worked completely, but his adrenal and pituitary glands were virtually destroyed in the process. All food immediately became fat on his body, and the steroids he had to take made it worse, leading to a total gain of 95 pounds, filling his frame at 280. To Gramm, this was humiliating, saying "I had to throw all my clothes away. Nothing fit anymore."

While recovering, Jones called Gramm, saying that the dates had been merely postponed and not cancelled, and that Gramm had to go on tour with them, or the band would be wiped out in lawsuits due to cancellation. Very reluctantly, Gramm sought medical clearance to tour in late '98. The doctor granted it, but emphatically told him that it was the worst idea, and that he wasn't close to fully healed yet. Nevertheless, Gramm went on tour with the band from late '98 to late 2002. The energetic movements were gone, his soulful Robert Plant-esque wails had been replaced with a James Brown shout, and he depended on an oxygen tank to get through it all. Throughout, Jones praised Gramm for his resiliency and made sure to inform everyone of his condition. Even so, some people were not kind to Gramm, with comments in reviews like 'Better lay off the cheeseburgers and pasta, huh Lou?" Also, the arena-filled days were already gone, even with Gramm still in the band. The 2003 DVD All Access Tonight shows Gramm's sad decline but valiant attempt to slog it out.

After another failed attempt to get a new album together, once again with Marti Frederiksen, they kept on touring. Per Gramm, Jones was now becoming a dictatorial taskmaster pushing him (Gramm) too hard and flagrantly violating the sobriety agreement. (Jones has steadfastly denied this, claiming he has been clean since '92). After the 2002 edition of Night Of The Proms (where Gramm claims Jones was "so juiced he didn't know what key or even what song he was in") they both mutually agreed that things weren't working out anymore, and decided to part ways.

After one gig with Chazz West in 2004, Foreigner hired singer Kelly Hansen to fill in for Gramm, and was also noted for his faithful renditions of the songs. Foreigner finally released another album, Can't Slow Down, in 2009, which was produced by Marti Frederiksen and Amy Winehouse producer Mark Ronson, who happens to be Jones' stepson. The album followed Journey's template of Walmart exclusivity, and performed well on satellite radio, iTunes and YouTube, reaching #29 on the Billboard Album charts, and its singles becoming Top 20 Adult Contemporary hits. Even so, Foreigner did not regain its former glory, only able to fill arenas and amphitheaters opening for bigger acts. While supporting Journey on the 2011 leg of the Eclipse tour, Jones suffered a heart attack, which took him out of commission for 2 years, marking Foreigner as performing onstage without any original members. Even when Jones recovered, he still only performs when health permits. As for Gramm, he released several successful Christian-themed solo albums and managed to lose most of the weight he'd gained, though he can't return to his pre-tumor weight because he can't stop using the steroids as per doctor's orders.

So, what's to blame in this condition. Was Gramm correct about Mr. Moonlight's underwhelming performance due to deliberate sabotage, or was that wishful thinking? Was Jones being too unreasonable with Gramm, considering his condition, or did he genuinely believe he could withstand the effort? Was Gramm correct about Jones being drunk and/or high throughout those years, or is this a scurrilous lie to make Gramm the victim? Was there a way for Jones and Gramm to stay together? Your thoughts below.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-05-05 05:50 by Toxic34.

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: May 5, 2016 10:46

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Toxic34

So, what's to blame in this condition. Was Gramm correct about Mr. Moonlight's underwhelming performance due to deliberate sabotage, or was that wishful thinking?

Actually it was aimed toward a target audience that didn't buy many albums anymore. Which can be said for a lot of bands that suddenly found themselves floundering in the record stores but still selling tickets.

I saw Foreigner on this tour headlining over Cheap Trick and Loverboy. Twice. All I could think of was how this just isn't aging well. And that was with all band members still performing at the height of their capabilities.

Then again I never really listened to Foreigner outside of classic rock radio and I was only there to see Cheap Trick. Speaking of ... why did Woke Up With A Monster flop?

I also consider 1993 and 1994 to be 2 of the best years in music history for album releases but Foreigner seems to have gone completely over my head.

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: May 5, 2016 17:40

I was only there to see Cheap Trick. Speaking of ... why did Woke Up With A Monster flop?

Damn good question

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: wonderboy ()
Date: May 5, 2016 18:42

All three of these excellent pieces are reminders that when people age, they develop health issues, the evolve, they just change.
You can also see that these 70s bands tried to recreate the formula of album/tour, album/tour but for the past 20 years albums are irrelevant. Especially today people get their music in different ways. None of them wanted to be just oldies bands, but that's basically what their audience wants.
...
Be interesting to see a series on bands/musicians that chose a different tack than these three -- maybe musicians who changed with the times and managed to go down a different path.

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: HonkeyTonkFlash ()
Date: May 5, 2016 23:37

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wonderboy
All three of these excellent pieces are reminders that when people age, they develop health issues, the evolve, they just change.
You can also see that these 70s bands tried to recreate the formula of album/tour, album/tour but for the past 20 years albums are irrelevant. Especially today people get their music in different ways. None of them wanted to be just oldies bands, but that's basically what their audience wants.
...
Be interesting to see a series on bands/musicians that chose a different tack than these three -- maybe musicians who changed with the times and managed to go down a different path.

All of this makes it all the more amazing that The Rolling Stones are still working with 3.5 original members on board!

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 6, 2016 16:32

Yeah, this one is just sad.

God Bless The Rolling Stones!

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: May 17, 2016 02:20

Don't really have an opinion of interest to share for the questions but thanks for the write-up, the three of them actually.

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Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Date: May 17, 2016 17:01

these bands are silly but honestly gramm would struggle with long tours now. really foreigner should break up. gramm was always more talented

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Date: May 17, 2016 18:10

I have tickets to Foreigner May 27th at a local casino.

I saw them years ago when the song juke box hero was popular. I didn't really

care for them then. And I am only going now because its close to home and the

tickets were free.

What original members are left in the band? Please

Re: OT: Foreigner All Access Tonight Breakup
Date: May 17, 2016 19:11

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jumpontopofmebaby
I have tickets to Foreigner May 27th at a local casino.

I saw them years ago when the song juke box hero was popular. I didn't really

care for them then. And I am only going now because its close to home and the

tickets were free.

What original members are left in the band? Please

if mick jone shows up then thats it. another guy has been there since 1992. everyone else is new although pilson on bass is great



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