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wonderboy
I don't mind outside writers and collaborators if the band is still in charge. Feels wrong if the label is really in charge.
For most big pop acts these days, the label comes up with the song, the arrangements, the producers, everything. They let the artist chip in a few words and give them a writing credit for the publishing, but it's very corporate. The 'artist' is there to perform and do publicity. If he or she doesn't like it, there is no shortage of performers out there.
And it's not somebody like Kris Kristofersen hawking his songs, it's a team of songwriters working 9 to 5. Sort of a modern day Tin Pan Alley.
I guess all that matter is how the record sounds, but to me it's best if you can feel there is an artist in there somewhere.
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Palace Revolution 2000
After the (very good) A'smith "Walk This Way", and the (very bad) Joe Perry "Rocks" bio, my view on Tyler and Perry changed.
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Palace Revolution 2000
After the (very good) A'smith "Walk This Way", and the (very bad) Joe Perry "Rocks" bio, my view on Tyler and Perry changed.
Well, the band still made the decision with the outside collaborators. Labels only entered the picture in terms of keeping "Black Cherry" off of Get A Grip and ordering Nine Lives to be re-recorded after the initial Miami sessions. Therefore, the band has often still been in charge. Also, what didn't you like about Joe's book? What changed in your view of his and Steven's relationship. Please tell me.
P.S. For whoever asked me, yes this post was written exclusively for the forum.
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Palace Revolution 2000
Well, I used to like Joe more; and thought of Steven as the 'corporate' one. But now I see it the other way around. One thing for sure: the books made me like Tyler a lot more.
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Palace Revolution 2000
Well, I used to like Joe more; and thought of Steven as the 'corporate' one. But now I see it the other way around. One thing for sure: the books made me like Tyler a lot more.
Can I please have a little more clarification? I don't see of either Steven or Joe as corporate. Throughout his book, Joe talk about regret for the Sony deal, because of how proprietary they were (like ordering the deletion of Steven's drum and vocal tracks from Ringo's album Vertical Man), saying "we made more money, but the deal was so behind the times with how the music business was changing. I wanted to finish the deal and deliver the album that would make us free agents, but Steven kept dragging his feet." Joe also keeps castigating Steven as someone who tends to write solely with the intent to write hits.
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Kurt
Outside collaborators = Slippery slope.
Once the door is opened, the band loses creative control forever.
The question remains: Who is in charge of the music? The band members or the record label?
I recently read an article about Steven extolling the virtues of the Nashville writing scene.
"I knew I wanted to do a solo record. It's like that Foreigner song Feels Like The First Time. I had never written with folks like the ones down here - to walk into a room, drink some coffee and eight hours later you have a song."
That quote sums up the reality and it makes me a little sick to my stomach.
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keefriffhard4life
why does it make you sick that steven works hard for 8 hours with other folks and after that has a song?
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GasLightStreet
PUMP was killer and their best track ever is on that one, F.I.N.E. That tune just kills me.
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keefriffhard4life
why does it make you sick that steven works hard for 8 hours with other folks and after that has a song?
Because Rock N' Roll shouldn't be a 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM job,
in my humble opinion.
Those writers in Nashville punch the time clock everyday and pump out some truly awful pop trash designed to hit the right demographics right in the crotch. If Steven Tyler wants to work in that environment now, so be it.
I remain a little sick to my stomach.
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wonderboy
Didn't our heroes get started when Andrew Loog locked them in the kitchen and told them to write some hits like the Fab Four.