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mr_dja
While totally ignoring GasLightStreet's take on the holiday (and many others which resemble it), I'll choose to be thankful for the blessings I've received, the blessings I will receive, and the opportunities that present themselves to me to extend those blessings to others.
May Peace Be With Us ALL,
Mr DJA
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GasLightStreet
Each year when this ridiculous holiday comes up I get more and more disgusted with it. It's such a vile day in American history that is completely ignored: Slavery, disease, murder and along with all of that the original terrorist act of the America's, the sweeping bulldozing force of christianity.
In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.
Woo hoo.
I think over the years most people have
adopted the view of being thankful for all they have and being able to share that.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.
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nightskyman
Not sure if Thanksgiving is celebrated anywhere else but America (and I know many IORR members are in places not America)...thus perhaps a little more disclaimer needed in initial thread. Also, since America is a place of many immigrants, cultures, etc...not everyone here in America celebrates the holiday (Jews, for example, do not do so).
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nightskyman
Not sure if Thanksgiving is celebrated anywhere else but America (and I know many IORR members are in places not America)...thus perhaps a little more disclaimer needed in initial thread. Also, since America is a place of many immigrants, cultures, etc...not everyone here in America celebrates the holiday (Jews, for example, do not do so).
All my Jewish friends celebrate Thanksgiving
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nightskyman
Not sure if Thanksgiving is celebrated anywhere else but America (and I know many IORR members are in places not America)...thus perhaps a little more disclaimer needed in initial thread. Also, since America is a place of many immigrants, cultures, etc...not everyone here in America celebrates the holiday (Jews, for example, do not do so).
All my Jewish friends celebrate Thanksgiving
I stand corrected...see my ignorance on display here.
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Each year when this ridiculous holiday comes up I get more and more disgusted with it. It's such a vile day in American history that is completely ignored: Slavery, disease, murder and along with all of that the original terrorist act of the America's, the sweeping bulldozing force of christianity.
In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.
Woo hoo.
I think over the years most people have
adopted the view of being thankful for all they have and being able to share that.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.
Not sure if Thanksgiving is celebrated anywhere else but America (and I know many IORR members are in places not America)...thus perhaps a little more disclaimer needed in initial thread. Also, since America is a place of many immigrants, cultures, etc...not everyone here in America celebrates the holiday (Jews, for example, do not do so). And, of course, there's the unique history that is associated with the holiday (as noted by Gaslightstreet above). Most who do celebrate it I believe simply see it as literally as you (mulecrow) have stated, without effort or thought of any historical circumstances surrounding it's holiday origins.
Now this can be considered wrong (as Gaslightstreet apparently does) or view it as sad and still use it as a day of thanks, etc. Honestly, I don't like the idea of beating somebody over the head for honoring the Thanksgiving holiday in this manner because...hey, don't you realize your giving thanks (and praise to God) to a day of slaughter of such and such Indian tribe?
Nobody in my family gives it a second thought on the actual day...just happy to be in each others company and giving thanks for what we have at that time. There's plenty of time before or after to think of all the injustices done by the European colonizers to Indians (indigenous peoples or native-americans) and of course later on.
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As I am Norwegian, I know nothing about this tradition, but I know it is about a great long meal and family. It was the late fall 2006, and I was on tour with The Rolling Stones as often. Current stop Los Angeles Wed. Nov 22. 2006. I knew it was Thanksgiving Thursday Nov 23, so on my way to the last show in Vancouver I did a stopover in San Francisco. My favorite US city. I took an early flight out of LAX at 7am, arrived into SFO at 8am, and checked into the Palace Hotel SF at 8:30am. If you haven't been at the Palace SF, then go there. It is paradise.
I spent the day in SF, Palace hotel and the city. The Palace hotel had a special Thanksgiving meal. It was sold out long time ago, but as I was a guest of the hotel, I was in. I spent all day planning for, semi-starving, semi-eating, preparing for my meal of the year, if not for ages. Eating slowly. Very slowly. Lots of families around me. I am alone but I feel like a part of the big party. A separate ballroom filled with Thanksgiving food, and one ballroom for us seated. The kids eat fast while the older enjoy the meal for hours. Everybody is dressed up like we dress up for our Christmas Eve meal. My Thanksgiving meal at the SF Palace lasted for more than two hours. It was one of my greatest meals ever. Next morning I flew off to see Keith saying thank you to his "headman", and to see one of my best touring friends getting married. Keith gave me his pick after doing IORR. What more could I expect from that week-end?
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Each year when this ridiculous holiday comes up I get more and more disgusted with it. It's such a vile day in American history that is completely ignored: Slavery, disease, murder and along with all of that the original terrorist act of the America's, the sweeping bulldozing force of christianity.
In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.
Woo hoo.
I think over the years most people have
adopted the view of being thankful for all they have and being able to share that.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.
Not sure if Thanksgiving is celebrated anywhere else but America (and I know many IORR members are in places not America)...thus perhaps a little more disclaimer needed in initial thread. Also, since America is a place of many immigrants, cultures, etc...not everyone here in America celebrates the holiday (Jews, for example, do not do so). And, of course, there's the unique history that is associated with the holiday (as noted by Gaslightstreet above). Most who do celebrate it I believe simply see it as literally as you (mulecrow) have stated, without effort or thought of any historical circumstances surrounding it's holiday origins.
Now this can be considered wrong (as Gaslightstreet apparently does) or view it as sad and still use it as a day of thanks, etc. Honestly, I don't like the idea of beating somebody over the head for honoring the Thanksgiving holiday in this manner because...hey, don't you realize your giving thanks (and praise to God) to a day of slaughter of such and such Indian tribe?
Nobody in my family gives it a second thought on the actual day...just happy to be in each others company and giving thanks for what we have at that time. There's plenty of time before or after to think of all the injustices done by the European colonizers to Indians (indigenous peoples or native-americans) and of course later on.
Here's a Jewish girl who most certainly is celebrating with friends and family.
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Each year when this ridiculous holiday comes up I get more and more disgusted with it. It's such a vile day in American history that is completely ignored: Slavery, disease, murder and along with all of that the original terrorist act of the America's, the sweeping bulldozing force of christianity.
In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.
Woo hoo.
I think over the years most people have
adopted the view of being thankful for all they have and being able to share that.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.
Not sure if Thanksgiving is celebrated anywhere else but America (and I know many IORR members are in places not America)...thus perhaps a little more disclaimer needed in initial thread. Also, since America is a place of many immigrants, cultures, etc...not everyone here in America celebrates the holiday (Jews, for example, do not do so). And, of course, there's the unique history that is associated with the holiday (as noted by Gaslightstreet above). Most who do celebrate it I believe simply see it as literally as you (mulecrow) have stated, without effort or thought of any historical circumstances surrounding it's holiday origins.
Now this can be considered wrong (as Gaslightstreet apparently does) or view it as sad and still use it as a day of thanks, etc. Honestly, I don't like the idea of beating somebody over the head for honoring the Thanksgiving holiday in this manner because...hey, don't you realize your giving thanks (and praise to God) to a day of slaughter of such and such Indian tribe?
Nobody in my family gives it a second thought on the actual day...just happy to be in each others company and giving thanks for what we have at that time. There's plenty of time before or after to think of all the injustices done by the European colonizers to Indians (indigenous peoples or native-americans) and of course later on.
Here's a Jewish girl who most certainly is celebrating with friends and family.