Does anyone here know why "Fingerprint File" was sped up? I ask because the new high-priced SACD of It's Only Rock N' Roll released in Japan contains the slower tempo version (which sounds much better to me, actually).

I also listened to this brand new SACD release of IORR and was amazed by Fingerprint File.

It is much slower (total lenght 7.02 instead of 6.33) but Jagger's voice actually sounds more real than on the up to now released version.

I had never heard this version (also not on bootlegs).

It is said that
in analog era, this very last song of the record had to be sped up in consideration of total running time and cutting level.
For the first time ever, a master of one generation earlier was adopted for this SACD version of fingerprint file.

Anyway, it sounds true. Mick's voice is more convincing and sexy.
One listening is worth a thousand words.

i only like the LOVE YOU LIVE version

Did it change the key it is in?

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Did it change the key it is in?

Yes, the sped-up version is a semi-tone higher than originally recorded. You notice it if you want to play along with Taylor's bass lines. As recorded, the root of the bass melody is the open A-string, whereas on the released sped-up version the root is Bflat, making it virtually impossible play without a capo or tuning the bass a semi tone higher.

The reason why they sped up the recording is bacause the original recording drags somewhat, by speeding it up it has more punch and more swing. This is standard practice on almost every radio station for example.

Mathijs

Thanks, Mathijs. So, I guess it was a conscious creative decision, and the SACD is probably the only official release of this version we'll ever see.

I understand thinking that the slow tempo version "drags", but having listened to the slow tempo version for a couple days, I can't even listen to the original any more. While the instrumentation doesn't bother me, the sped up vocals sound like the Chipmunks to me now. It's really pretty amazing how much difference a 1/2 step can make.

What was the Virgin CD reissue - the correct speed or the sped up speed?

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What was the Virgin CD reissue - the correct speed or the sped up speed?

The Virgin CD has the sped-up tempo.

AFAIK the "correct" tempo is only to be found on the new Japanese SACD release (which also has a longer Luxury and a slightly longer Times Waits For No One)

Yes, that's correct. There has never been a release of the slower Fingerprint File. Frankly, I think it might be a mistake - crazy stuff.

By the way, the longer Luxury is the one on current CD's.

So - it is impossible to get the slower version except on a Japanese SACD?
I can easily see the preference for a faster version; the Beatles were big fans of this trick. Although I think what the Beatles did was to slow the tape down while recording BU vocals e.g - and then speeded it back up to regular tempo. Now the vocals would sound a bit child like. So this would have been a totally intentional production trick.



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Wow! I really want to hear this. Does anybody have a link?

A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

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A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

If my memory is correct, Acetates used patchwork masters.
This SACD is using complete master which is one generation earlier than previous version.

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A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

If my memory is correct, Acetates used patchwork masters.
This SACD is using complete master which is one generation earlier than previous version.

What is a 'patchwork' master?

Mathijs

To me it sounds like the "acetate version".


Here's the link to the sample posted on SH forums :
[www.megaupload.com]

(first comes UM remaster ie "sped up version", then SACD "original tempo" version).



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rootsman
A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

If my memory is correct, Acetates used patchwork masters.
This SACD is using complete master which is one generation earlier than previous version.

What is a 'patchwork' master?

Mathijs

LOL, thank you. Yes - What is 'patchwork master'?

Different broken Acetates that clued together ;o)

I'm curious too.................

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This song has a feel of feline sinuosity; inceding smooth and slow, like a panther it slides through the curtains of darkness, while approaching its prey. That´s probably why, unlike most of the songs, the slower it gets the more powerful it sounds (to me, at least)!

It's the "Acetates"-version. For a wav-file the sound of the sample is pretty flat, the boot sounds better!

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A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if it had been booted previously.

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A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if it had been booted previously.

You´re welcome!

And the correct/slow version sounds better once you get used to it!

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rootsman
A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if it had been booted previously.

You´re welcome!

And the correct/slow version sounds better once you get used to it!

It's interesting - it seems that speeding up a tape so that the key goes from A to Bb results in a sound that is different from the sound you get if the band were to simply play in Bb to start with. It seems to change the timbre of the vocals so that they sound a little unnatural. Not sure why that would be the case.

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It's interesting - it seems that speeding up a tape so that the key goes from A to Bb results in a sound that is different from the sound you get if the band were to simply play in Bb to start with. It seems to change the timbre of the vocals so that they sound a little unnatural. Not sure why that would be the case.

That`s the reason why I don`t like european dvd releases cause of the PAL-speeding-effect (half step up like on Shine A Light if I remember correctly).

Good news. That means there was a real work on Iorr new sacd
Hope to see the high res files to buy available on hdtracks or else soon

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

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It's interesting - it seems that speeding up a tape so that the key goes from A to Bb results in a sound that is different from the sound you get if the band were to simply play in Bb to start with. It seems to change the timbre of the vocals so that they sound a little unnatural. Not sure why that would be the case.

That`s the reason why I don`t like european dvd releases cause of the PAL-speeding-effect (half step up like on Shine A Light if I remember correctly).

You sort of answered your own question: it's a matter of tempo.
If the band simply played it in Bb to begin with, it would still be at same tempo as in A. So voices, percussive signals (on strings too) are at their natural speed.
If the key was altered by speeding up the tape, then the song is not only higher, but also faster.

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A slow version (alt. mix) is on "Acetates" (Midnight Beat, 1995), timed at 7.05.
I don´t know if it´s the same as on the new SACD, though.

Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if it had been booted previously.

You´re welcome!

And the correct/slow version sounds better once you get used to it!

It's interesting - it seems that speeding up a tape so that the key goes from A to Bb results in a sound that is different from the sound you get if the band were to simply play in Bb to start with. It seems to change the timbre of the vocals so that they sound a little unnatural. Not sure why that would be the case.

also, widely used in ( irish ) traditional music in the seventies and later. most tunes are in the " sharp " keys D A G etc and a lot of the tapes played in the flat keys Eb Bb etc one semitone up for the same reasons , but therefore difficult to achieve that speed playing them yourself ! listen to any album by de danaan for example

That slow version on [www.megaupload.com] is very, very funky. I like it!

Can someone please post the entire slow version of "Fingerprint File" somewhere's I can download it. I'd love to have it.

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That slow version on [www.megaupload.com] is very, very funky. I like it!

Can someone please post the entire slow version of "Fingerprint File" somewhere's I can download it. I'd love to have it.

Try this bootleg : [www.iorr.org]
(last track)
It's obviosuly the same slower version.