In the 80'ies Ronnie did a great job trying to keep Mick and Keith together.
Doesn't seem like that's the case anymore.
Not even Ronnie sees Keith anymore...... what does that tell you?

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I just spent a couple of weeks with "Life" (audio version) in my car. I had read the book when it came out. My feelings are that it's pure Keith: sweet, honest, charming, funny; but also boastful, insufferable, and full of crap. In short, it is no different than what Keith has presented to the world since the "Keith Richards" character was created sometime in the 1970s. I cannot see why Mick Jagger (or anyone else for that matter) would be surprised or particularly bothered to the point where it would effect planned Stones activity (if any).

Marianne Faithfull doesn't agree with you

Having put out two biographies, Ms. Faithfull said she "loved" reading Mr. Richards's "Life." "It's not all accurate," she said, raising an eyebrow. "He made up a lot. He went for the myth." She said she's not surprised by the fallout the book reportedly caused between the famously feuding Rolling Stones guitarist and frontman, considering Mr. Richards went for the rock 'n' roll jugular. "You know the bit I mean, I'm not going to repeat it," she said-presumably referring to Mr. Richards's below-the-belt swipe at Mr. Jagger. "I didn't think that was very nice."

Marianne Faithfull on Her Colorful Life
[online.wsj.com]

Well, we're saying basically the same thing about going for the myth, but on the other part I will defer to Ms. Faithful, of course.

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I just spent a couple of weeks with "Life" (audio version) in my car. I had read the book when it came out. My feelings are that it's pure Keith: sweet, honest, charming, funny; but also boastful, insufferable, and full of crap. In short, it is no different than what Keith has presented to the world since the "Keith Richards" character was created sometime in the 1970s. I cannot see why Mick Jagger (or anyone else for that matter) would be surprised or particularly bothered to the point where it would effect planned Stones activity (if any).

Marianne Faithfull doesn't agree with you

Having put out two biographies, Ms. Faithfull said she "loved" reading Mr. Richards's "Life." "It's not all accurate," she said, raising an eyebrow. "He made up a lot. He went for the myth." She said she's not surprised by the fallout the book reportedly caused between the famously feuding Rolling Stones guitarist and frontman, considering Mr. Richards went for the rock 'n' roll jugular. "You know the bit I mean, I'm not going to repeat it," she said-presumably referring to Mr. Richards's below-the-belt swipe at Mr. Jagger. "I didn't think that was very nice."

Marianne Faithfull on Her Colorful Life
[online.wsj.com]

Well, we're saying basically the same thing about going for the myth, but on the other part I will defer to Ms. Faithful, of course.

Marianne knows them both better than anybody here and she thinks that Keith's words really matter to Mick.
As for "myht" I'm glad she's saying that KR mostly lies"(He made up a lot" ) - remember it's not fiction it's biography, there is no place for "better" or "more interesting" version of reality



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Bliss, the betrayal IS that comment about the " tiny todger". And lots of other nasty comments but that was the major betrayal.

"from my understanding, if what I was told was accurate it absolutely was the betrayal that is the issue, not "todger" comments"

The betrayal being that Mick was first given a sanitised version of Life to read and then blindsided ??? Have I understood this right ?

Pure speculation.No proof that it's true.

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I just spent a couple of weeks with "Life" (audio version) in my car. I had read the book when it came out. My feelings are that it's pure Keith: sweet, honest, charming, funny; but also boastful, insufferable, and full of crap. In short, it is no different than what Keith has presented to the world since the "Keith Richards" character was created sometime in the 1970s. I cannot see why Mick Jagger (or anyone else for that matter) would be surprised or particularly bothered to the point where it would effect planned Stones activity (if any).

Marianne Faithfull doesn't agree with you

Having put out two biographies, Ms. Faithfull said she "loved" reading Mr. Richards's "Life." "It's not all accurate," she said, raising an eyebrow. "He made up a lot. He went for the myth." She said she's not surprised by the fallout the book reportedly caused between the famously feuding Rolling Stones guitarist and frontman, considering Mr. Richards went for the rock 'n' roll jugular. "You know the bit I mean, I'm not going to repeat it," she said-presumably referring to Mr. Richards's below-the-belt swipe at Mr. Jagger. "I didn't think that was very nice."

Marianne Faithfull on Her Colorful Life
[online.wsj.com]

Well, we're saying basically the same thing about going for the myth, but on the other part I will defer to Ms. Faithful, of course.

Marianne knows them both better than anybody here and she thinks that Keith's words really matter to Mick.
As for "myht" I'm glad she's saying that KR mostly lies"(He made up a lot" ) - remember it's not fiction it's biography, there is no place for "better" or "more interesting" version of reality

Marianne still lives in the past and can't get over that she and Mick broke up.
Some women are like that - they keep on bitching about their old boyfriends.
Advice to Marianne - get on with your life and stop being after Mick.
The ones he married or had children with he treats and gets along with very well despite treating fx Jerry Hall badly cheating on her on and on.

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Right you are, Eddie B.

The question is, why did Keith bother giving Mick a look at any version of the manuscript? To do so and then include things that made a laughing stock of Mick (and which he could not refute), really seems to twist the knife.

Well if that is the way it went then I can only conclude that despite his assertions 'of a love for Mick greater than the detail' at various times he must actually be just full of hate for him.............to 'nutmeg' (as we say in England) him with the clean copy and then as you say make a laughing stock out of him with no recourse other than to slap it on the table..........Nutmegged or not......No friend incites others to laugh at 'you' (which there is no debate about unless KR is a complete moron...and to me that's the ultimate offence not the subject of the ridicule)...........he's just a horrible person and I wouldn't blame Mick at all if he didn't want to bother any more......having said that I believe Mick has the strength of character if he wanted to, to go out on tour with Keith but to have him in his mind as his 'little guitar player'(sic) ...just for the sake of being the Stones.........



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The question is, why did Keith bother giving Mick a look at any version of the manuscript?

The question is, do we know for a fact if this is true ?

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The question is, why did Keith bother giving Mick a look at any version of the manuscript?

The question is, do we know for a fact if this is true ?

No we don't. But that doesn't seem to stop people on here from swearing they know it to be true.

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The question is, why did Keith bother giving Mick a look at any version of the manuscript?

The question is, do we know for a fact if this is true ?

reported by Lillithfair, who got it from somebody else, so third-hand at best.

I see what you're sayig concerning the betrayal. Ok, that means there are two betrayals...the decoy book, so to speak, and the todger remark. Twice as despicable!!

Given all the antsy stuff Keith has said about Brian, he's never, as far as I am aware, said anything negative about Brian's dick. Is a secret bit of penis envy the cause of Keith's more than 40 years and counting grudge against Brian?







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The question is, why did Keith bother giving Mick a look at any version of the manuscript?

The question is, do we know for a fact if this is true ?

reported by Lillithfair, who got it from somebody else, so third-hand at best.

That's why I made to comment in the original story that people can take it or leave it as they wish. It's not like Mick took me out to lunch and spilled his guts. But it was heard from somebody in their organization which is why Ipersonally believe it to be true. These people have worked with them for years and don't just spout crap for the hell of it so when they do say stuff I tend to believe it. Still third hand but that is my take on why I do believe the story has merit.

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The question is, why did Keith bother giving Mick a look at any version of the manuscript?

The question is, do we know for a fact if this is true ?

reported by Lillithfair, who got it from somebody else, so third-hand at best.

That's why I made to comment in the original story that people can take it or leave it as they wish. It's not like Mick took me out to lunch and spilled his guts. But it was heard from somebody in their organization which is why Ipersonally believe it to be true. These people have worked with them for years and don't just spout crap for the hell of it so when they do say stuff I tend to believe it. Still third hand but that is my take on why I do believe the story has merit.

I didn't at all mean to disparage your source. Hey, it has way more credibility than a lot of the speculation posted here which is based on far less.

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"Life" seems like it may have been the code-violation of the ages - the book all magicians hate - the one that spoils all of the illusions.

That's may be the reason that "Live" is still in my book shelf

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May be that's why I have read only a few pages of Life because I had that feeling too.

or 4 of us...i own it. keith stares up at me but i haven't read it. i definitely think (and heard) that it might be behind why they're not on tour this year. i am still hopeful for 2012
Hey, that makes three of us. I could not bring myself to reading it, too afraid to have my
naive vision of the band blown away. So far I chose not to be informed in too much detail.
I want to believe in the image of the band I've been building up in the last 30 years.

Maybe that means I've finally found a religion...

Max'sKansasCity I'm sorry I meant to answer you, Being a "Dumb American" I forget that not everyone will know some terms. Marmie is actually British slang for orange tabby cat. Marmie as in marmalade. And that type of cat is usually male as well. So when this big orange Tom Cat came over to say hello, and be being a lifelong animal lover and a Doors fan I had to assume it was Jim checking out all of his visitors.

In regard to the book, read it and make up your own mind. Even with the differing opinions on this thread people make really good "arguments" so read it with the knowledge that this is Keith's version of events, and if nothing else he is an entertaining story teller.

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Max'sKansasCity I'm sorry I meant to answer you, Being a "Dumb American" I forget that not everyone will know some terms. Marmie is actually British slang for orange tabby cat. Marmie as in marmalade. And that type of cat is usually male as well. So when this big orange Tom Cat came over to say hello, and be being a lifelong animal lover and a Doors fan I had to assume it was Jim checking out all of his visitors.

Thanks...
I googled [www.google.com] marmie cat and it did not know.
I like your Jim story, and I learned something today.

MEW!!!




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Max'sKansasCity I'm sorry I meant to answer you, Being a "Dumb American" I forget that not everyone will know some terms. Marmie is actually British slang for orange tabby cat. Marmie as in marmalade. And that type of cat is usually male as well. So when this big orange Tom Cat came over to say hello, and be being a lifelong animal lover and a Doors fan I had to assume it was Jim checking out all of his visitors.

Thanks...
I googled [www.google.com] marmie cat and it did not know.
I like your Jim story, and I learned something today.

MEW!!!

Me too.....I'm from Britain and I've spent my whole life calling ginger cats 'Ginger Toms'...(which are always male) and understanding along with my neighbour that Marmie or Marmalade was an old name for Tortoise shells or Torties which are always female..ginger, black & white......



.I did some research and found Lillithflair that you are completely right and Ginger Toms as they are most commonly known as over here are also known as Marmalades.............hmmmmmm

I don't think we use the term 'orange Tabby though', I think that's an Americanism....In Britain at least this is a Tabby..........dull/dusty brown, maybe dark fawn with black....

mew......

We always called kitties who looked like the one in this picture "calico(s) cats"... and yes, they are usually always females....

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well this thread took an odd turn

All roads lead to pussy heaven.......if you're lucky..................

Seroiusly I think Lillithflair's input is fairly conclusive that Life may well have lead to the death of the Stones..............personally I hope/think/hope/think ??? Mick might well grit his teeth for one more bow....but equally he might just as easily say @#$%& it "



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>>>well this thread took an odd turn<<<

Yes, it did, didn't it, hbwriter? Great photos of
cats though, marmalade and otherwise.

A flock of seagulls....eeerrr....
A clowder of Marmie kitties

AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED THINGY...

Charlie: Now look you two, either you fix it, or I am taking over the band.

Keith: uhhhhhh... eeeeeerrrrrrr, huh?

Mick: Are you talking to me? cuz I dont see anyone else here?

Charlie: Sock that tiny todger or else, OK Lips? Patch this up, you are my singer, got it?




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What's with all the pussy?

A book or interview or fight isn't going to be the end of the Stones. Keith's knuckles, a lack of inspiration/urgency, and Father Time will.

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AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED THINGY...

Charlie: Now look you two, either you fix it, or I am taking over the band.

Keith: uhhhhhh... eeeeeerrrrrrr, huh?

Mick: Are you talking to me? cuz I dont see anyone else here?

Charlie: Sock that tiny todger or else, OK Lips? Patch this up, you are my singer, got it?

LOL Max, this could be true

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A great photo that! (in MKC:s post).



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I don't really see the Olympics thing happening because Mick hated the whole Super Bowl thing so much, this is even worse as far as details, exposure, chances for things to go woefully WRONG in front of MILLIONS....and I believe what Lilithflair has said because right from the start I couldn't believe Mick would be OK with the trash Keith put out there in LIFE! It's just TOO BIG AN INSULT! And I also happen to believe it's not true, rather Keith needed, for some insanely cruel reason, to write the most offensive and outrageous LIE that he could come up with and see how it would go down. The end of the Stones, I believe, is the answer. And I have friends who tell me just the opposite so there you go!

...the last person I see as a victim is Jagger. I'm sure he gave as good as he got. Nevertheless I seriously doubt Jagger was insulted or hurt by the todger stuff..he probably laughed...and isn't it interesting that the 2 women he screwed ..in every way...came to his defense....if anything riled Jagger up it might be some of the credit KR took on some of the sacred cow tunes....perhaps we'll be the beneficiaries of that if they work together again since Mick might have something to prove as would Keith... in making the other one actually stand up and take notice of what new tunes they had to offer the other this time....

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A great photo that! (in MKC:s post).

..... gotta love that look in Charlie's eyes

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LOL Max, this could be true

Lets hope.... I imagine Charlie speaking like Jimmy Cagney saying this

I believe more has been made of this book than is necessary. Obviously, the book proved to be provocative. Coming from Keith is anyone surprised? I thought it was a fun and entertaining read. I can't believe that anyone in band had their feelings seriously hurt by Keith's comments. These guys would not have stayed together this long if they did not form some very deep bonds, and have very tough emotional skins. If they want to form up the band again and do some gigs, good on them. If they were to call it quits for whatever reason, I can honestly say thanks for the ride guys, it was wonderful. This book won't have anything to do with a yes or no to the Stones going back on the road. I'm 58 and these guys have been part of my life since I was a 10 year old boy. Either way you want to argue this book, the music will always sound great up until the day we get our numbers called. Really, that's all that is important anyway.