KEITH RICHARDS insists he has made up with fellow ROLLING STONE MICK JAGGER after mocking his manhood in his memoirs.

The guitar legend, 67, said the pair met up a month ago - and are planning a 50th anniversary tour and album.

Keith added: "Mick pouted a bit, as is his wont. I told him, 'It's water under the bridge. I want to talk about the future. We're larger than a little bitching'."

He revealed "there's something in the wind" to mark 50 years since their first gig - in London on July 12, 1962.

Keith said: "The idea is there. We kind of know we should do it, but nobody's put their finger on the moment yet."

He also told how he loved making the new Pirates of the Caribbean film with JOHNNY DEPP.

Keith said: "It's fun and a change, a bizarre other world. If you're used to rock 'n' roll, books and movies are fairly tame.

"Johnny loves red wine, and I'll drink anything that's available."

[www.thesun.co.uk]



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The Daily Mail reported about a meeting in NY a month ago, but with the opposite outcome.

So, who to believe ?

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The Daily Mail reported about a meeting in NY a month ago, but with the opposite outcome.

So, who to believe ?

Depends on who writes the story - that's journalism.

Where do you get 'sorry' from that? All I get is 'get over it'.

Mick is clearly hoping his latest venture will make a big splash, and if it does, the sun will have set on the Stones for good.

However, I would be very surprised if his latest solo effort met with any more success than his previous attempts, much as I sincerely wish for a different outcome.

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Where do you get 'sorry' from that? All I get is 'get over it'.

Mick is clearly hoping his latest venture will make a big splash, and if it does, the sun will have set on the Stones for good.

However, I would be very surprised if his latest solo effort met with any more success than his previous attempts, much as I sincerely wish for a different outcome.

'She's The Boss' sold as well as 'Undercover'.

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Where do you get 'sorry' from that? All I get is 'get over it'.

Mick is clearly hoping his latest venture will make a big splash, and if it does, the sun will have set on the Stones for good.

However, I would be very surprised if his latest solo effort met with any more success than his previous attempts, much as I sincerely wish for a different outcome.

'She's The Boss' sold as well as 'Undercover'.

I know they did, and I personally like them a lot, as well as Wandering Spirit and Goddess. But his solo career did not take off.

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Where do you get 'sorry' from that? All I get is 'get over it'.

Mick is clearly hoping his latest venture will make a big splash, and if it does, the sun will have set on the Stones for good.

However, I would be very surprised if his latest solo effort met with any more success than his previous attempts, much as I sincerely wish for a different outcome.

'She's The Boss' sold as well as 'Undercover'.

I know they did, and I personally like them a lot, as well as Wandering Spirit and Goddess. But his solo career did not take off.

I'm not sure what metrics would be used now to decide on the success of a record. Sales of everything are down so far. Whatever Mick or the Stones release next, it will almost certainly sell less than anything they have previously done. Might need a new definition of a 'hit' record.

I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

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Where do you get 'sorry' from that? All I get is 'get over it'.

Mick is clearly hoping his latest venture will make a big splash, and if it does, the sun will have set on the Stones for good.

However, I would be very surprised if his latest solo effort met with any more success than his previous attempts, much as I sincerely wish for a different outcome.

'She's The Boss' sold as well as 'Undercover'.

I know they did, and I personally like them a lot, as well as Wandering Spirit and Goddess. But his solo career did not take off.

I'm not sure what metrics would be used now to decide on the success of a record. Sales of everything are down so far. Whatever Mick or the Stones release next, it will almost certainly sell less than anything they have previously done. Might need a new definition of a 'hit' record.

In any case, Mick abandoned his solo music career and returned to the Stones, although on a different basis in terms of his r'ship with Keith. I think he might have succeeded in becoming a huge solo performer had he persisted, but the public was very resistant to seeing him or Keith in another context apart from the Stones.

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Theres another reason for that. The shows are targeted towards a certain age and income bracket of the wider public as opposed to being targeted towards fans or the band's own sense of creative development. As that target audience are less likely (in the band's eyes) to have much appreciation for anything beyond their most recognizable songs, the show is tailored towards them.

The success of the Exile reissue shows that there's an audience ouf diehards out there. The Stones, however, are more interested in the sort of corporate attendee who'll pay $500 for a ticket though than the type of fan who'll pay $20 for a CD.

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Theres another reason for that. The shows are targeted towards a certain age and income bracket of the wider public as opposed to being targeted towards fans or the band's own sense of creative development. As that target audience are less likely (in the band's eyes) to have much appreciation for anything beyond their most recognizable songs, the show is tailored towards them.

The success of the Exile reissue shows that there's an audience ouf diehards out there. The Stones, however, are more interested in the sort of corporate attendee who'll pay $500 for a ticket though than the type of fan who'll pay $20 for a CD.

I think they are interested in both - it's called maximizing your assets, even assuming the artist has no creative ambition. But there is/was no way they could fill multiple stadia with the sort of hard-core fans who prefer obscure or frankly inferior later compositions at the expense of proven hits, whether those fans pay $20 or $500. There just aren't enough of them at this stage of the game..

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Theres another reason for that. The shows are targeted towards a certain age and income bracket of the wider public as opposed to being targeted towards fans or the band's own sense of creative development. As that target audience are less likely (in the band's eyes) to have much appreciation for anything beyond their most recognizable songs, the show is tailored towards them.

The success of the Exile reissue shows that there's an audience ouf diehards out there. The Stones, however, are more interested in the sort of corporate attendee who'll pay $500 for a ticket though than the type of fan who'll pay $20 for a CD.

I think they are interested in both - it's called maximizing your assets, even assuming the artist has no creative ambition. But there is/was no way they could fill multiple stadia with the sort of hard-core fans who prefer obscure or frankly inferior later compositions at the expense of proven hits, whether those fans pay $20 or $500. There just aren't enough of them at this stage of the game..

Another reason for them to stick with the old tunes is that the band knows them better and normaly play them better than new songs or songs not played often.
For Mick it seems more of a problem because he is upfront and he has to sing. If the musicians @#$%& up the song, one can see Mick's bodylanguage on stage going ; wtf is that shit! He usually doesn't look happy when that happens.
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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

"I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night."

Me too!

I think the Stones think it's easier to sell to the audience Gazza described. And it's too bad, but I think to some degree it's true. If the Stones could sell out an arena of 20,000 at $500 or more per seat, why wouldn't they? Maybe they don't care WHO the fans are, as long as the bottom line is a HUGE ONE! If they cared about what the real fans think, they'd play a lot of deep cuts LIVE. That apparently is too much work to practice new songs. They played SWAY live a hand full of times during the last tour, I was lucky enough to hear it once..... oh, well. I might have to scale back the number of shows I go to IF they tour next year because I'm really not sure I want to pump thousands of hard earned dollars into a show that I've seen 36 or more times.

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KEITH RICHARDS insists he has made up with fellow ROLLING STONE MICK JAGGER after mocking his manhood in his memoirs.

The guitar legend, 67, said the pair met up a month ago - and are planning a 50th anniversary tour and album.

Keith added: "Mick pouted a bit, as is his wont. I told him, 'It's water under the bridge. I want to talk about the future. We're larger than a little bitching'."

He revealed "there's something in the wind" to mark 50 years since their first gig - in London on July 12, 1962.

Keith said: "The idea is there. We kind of know we should do it, but nobody's put their finger on the moment yet."

He also told how he loved making the new Pirates of the Caribbean film with JOHNNY DEPP.

Keith said: "It's fun and a change, a bizarre other world. If you're used to rock 'n' roll, books and movies are fairly tame.

"Johnny loves red wine, and I'll drink anything that's available."

[www.thesun.co.uk]

It's a nightmare world... What is next? It is Keith Richards very private revelation about Mick's lil johnson, holy shit!

That's what the DVD concert boxsets are for. Face it, the average concert yahoo wants to pump his fist, call his bud on his cell phone and yell, "They're playing Midnight Rambler!" These DVD concert boxsets give you the opportunity of digging around and finding the few goodies and rarities they play at theatre dates or break up the stadium dates with. If you could cull the rarities, or seldom played songs from those boxsets, you'd have quite a set for hard core fans:

4 Flicks:
You Don't Have to Mean It
Rock Me Baby
I Can't Turn You Loose
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
When The Whip Comes Down
Star Star
I Just Want To Make Love To You
Neighbors
Hand of Fate
No Expectations
Worried About You
Heartbreaker
Dance (Pt.1)
Everybody Needs Somebody to Love
That's How Strong My Love Is
Going To a Go Go
Respectable

The Biggest Bang:
Let's Spend the Night Together
She's So Cold
Sway
Bob Wills Is Still The King
Ain't Too Proud to Beg
Learning The Game
Little T&A
Under My Thumb
Get Off of My Cloud
I Can't Be Satisfied
Get Up, Stand Up
Mr. Pitiful

Shine A Light:
She Was Hot
As Tears Go By
Far Away Eyes
I'm Free

There are a lot of Stones songs I'd love to hear live, say She Smiled Sweetly. And some I'd love to hear but don't think they could pull off, S
he's A Rainbow. I still like to go to the concerts, but I look elsewhere for rarities.

good points 24 there are many things there to satisfy the hardcore fan for sure

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Theres another reason for that. The shows are targeted towards a certain age and income bracket of the wider public as opposed to being targeted towards fans or the band's own sense of creative development. As that target audience are less likely (in the band's eyes) to have much appreciation for anything beyond their most recognizable songs, the show is tailored towards them.

The success of the Exile reissue shows that there's an audience ouf diehards out there. The Stones, however, are more interested in the sort of corporate attendee who'll pay $500 for a ticket though than the type of fan who'll pay $20 for a CD.

I think they are interested in both - it's called maximizing your assets, even assuming the artist has no creative ambition. But there is/was no way they could fill multiple stadia with the sort of hard-core fans who prefer obscure or frankly inferior later compositions at the expense of proven hits, whether those fans pay $20 or $500. There just aren't enough of them at this stage of the game..

They managed to do it for decades. I dont think anyone's suggesting they should leave out hits altogether (thats a totally unreasonable request) but the ratio of non-hits and new material to warhorses was lessened with each of the last two tours to the degree where its been reversed in favour of the same hits taking up two thirds of the show, whereas previously it was barely a third.

They managed to fill every arena or stadium in the world for 35 years (in the era that pre-dated the 'millionaires watching millionaires' format thats then norm now) - by managing to play a variety of songs which showcased all parts of their career and which also acknowledged that they had new material. Using that format, they still sold records and the audiences still came back despite the fact that they played new material and a lesser % of warhorses. If the hardcore fans you speak of arent there to the same degree anymore its mainly because the Stones have stood still as a live act for the last decade and have pursued the nostalgia and corporate markets instead, both of which are far more financially lucrative but which are artistically utterly redundant.

There is no question in my mind that the Stones could continue to fill stadiums if they priced their shows reasonably, because there is now a generation of potential concert attendees who theyve chosen to price out of their shows. The slow sales of the last tour proved to me that theyve milked the 'box ticker' part of the market dry. Those people arent the sort of fans who are going to be around for the long-term or who are going to be repeat concert attendees, and there's only so many times theyre going to pay hundreds of dollars to hear the same show from one tour to the next.

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The slow sales of the last tour proved to me that theyve milked the 'box ticker' part of the market dry.

Yeah. And they milked the black ticket market dry that way.

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Agreed. But thery are AFRAID to do it. If they do it consistently it will work and people will say, "Hmm, let me buy that album" It worked with Some Girls. Voodoo started that way and then they got SCARED again and got rid of Love Is Strong for Sympathy. Stupid as LIS was working great.

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Agreed. But thery are AFRAID to do it. If they do it consistently it will work and people will say, "Hmm, let me buy that album" It worked with Some Girls. Voodoo started that way and then they got SCARED again and got rid of Love Is Strong for Sympathy. Stupid as LIS was working great.

Exactly. Thats the entire point of promoting a record. If you're too scared/embarrassed/ashamed of pushing your new work, then dont bother releasing new material at all.

How bad a reaction do they think they'll get if they put a few lesser known or new songs in a set - walkouts? Its never happened befpre and its not going to happen now. Are they afraid people wont come back? They're almost 70 for goodness sake - they wont be touring again after the next tour. If people dont come back after it, no one will notice.

Bite the bullet guys, reclaim your own music and play what the f**k you want to play. I think you've earned that right by now.



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Wonder if those two would have anything to do with one
another once they decided to call it a day?

I also agree with the way a show is designed with a certain
demographic in mind. It's probably best that way. That version
of "She's a Rainbow" (as fine a 1960s song of theirs as any!)
from Argentenia is a trainwreck.

And, much as I love their music, they're as corporote as they come.
Monopoly game boards and pinball machines? Keith R. making cameos in
a Disney movie...and then doing interviews during the week of a Disney
release, which also coincides with his book coming out in paperback?

The corporote world - we see it in politics, as the USA prez may as
well just be another CEO of a some giant company. Look at all the millions
spent on billboards for doomsday prophets (while most other times, the lone
crazy on the street can't get arrested, let alone make the evening news).
And our world of entertainment plays right into it, especially most 1960s
rock and roll. If any performer or band has had their song used in a advertisement for some product, then they're part of the corporote machinery.
Not saying that the songs aren't good or without merit...far from it - but it's gotten to the point where folk such as Keith R. are as much a part of the establishment. All that rebel talk of his, once it appears in large doses as it does in LIFE, it begins to look foolish. C'mon, brandishing a gun or pulling a knife on someone because they played too loudly? Instead of being a buccaneer or pirate or hero of the people, most of those antics just come across as the antics of spoiled rich rock stars. Ron Wood's book makes it even seem more petty and worse.

But I also think that Keith Richards and Ron Wood may have dumbed their books down and given the people what they expect. I don't think someone can write such songs or (in R. Wood's case) create such paintings without there being a genius lurking in their damaged casings. I wonder if it's really a matter of "what you see is what you get," or if it's more like dylan's line "if my thought dreams could be seen, they'd put my head in a guillotine." I wonder if Keith's mind goes to places where he'd just as soon not taken the reader. It's a shame if that's true - because he really doesn't come across as all that likable or heroic in his book.

Sorry for the ramble, mates - thanks if you read this far.

Though being a little bit strange to know that the guy, who was considered to be the hunk of the century, was wearing some funny utensils in his pants all the time, I really wonder what made Keith to be suddenly so remorseful about his disclosure of the thruth about "Brenda's clit"; is that really supposed to be such a serious issue for a lifelong friendship of the two chums who are now nearing the greatgrempa-age?

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I'm afraid, record buyers are not interested in the Stones anymore. They look for best ofs like Forty Licks, but they don't want to listen to new stuff. And that's why the setlists are so conservative. That's a pity, I would have prefered six or seven ABB songs every night.

Theres another reason for that. The shows are targeted towards a certain age and income bracket of the wider public as opposed to being targeted towards fans or the band's own sense of creative development. As that target audience are less likely (in the band's eyes) to have much appreciation for anything beyond their most recognizable songs, the show is tailored towards them.

The success of the Exile reissue shows that there's an audience ouf diehards out there. The Stones, however, are more interested in the sort of corporate attendee who'll pay $500 for a ticket though than the type of fan who'll pay $20 for a CD.

The age is a factor against Stones. How many fans in the age range from 60 to 70 are going to stay in lines for a show, standing up for 2-3 hours for a show etc. / driving several kilometers for a show / going to shows where you drink beers and then go around to find toilet to pee etc.? (those days have gone) How many Stones fans in their sixties / seventies are going to pay 150-200 USD for a Stones ticket? How many active diehard fans are still around? enough to fill stadiums all over Europe, US and Japan? 10 years ago it worked. Already 5 years ago the first big decline for consert attendance was visible.

Stones music is not a major factor anymore and isn't played in the radio in the same way like new music. On the contrary, Beatles still can and still will for many years to come - their music had a much bigger audience. Roger Waters can go on tour because of the Wall, because the Wall still matters - both amogst the young ones and those of the 70'ies.

Corporate shows will not be that lucrative anymore - maybe 10 years ago. At least not lucrative enough to make them go on a tour. Their shape is not good enough to play 2-3 corporate shows a month and it wouldn't make sense either. Getting together for this kind of shows would be ridiculous.

Finally Stones will not go on the road for a small scale tour - for instance playing for 2-3.000 people in small venues. Being a stadium band, it's damn difficult to scale down.

I still maintain that Keith was drunk when he co-wrote 'Life' and just shot off his mouth to his co-author. He probably does have a few regrets that he didn't think through the likely consequences of his damaging statement. I blame the editor actually.

Its funny how Mick has to get over things, how would he react if Mick said something like that about him. He would go through the roof.

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I still maintain that Keith was drunk when he co-wrote 'Life' and just shot off his mouth to his co-author. He probably does have a few regrets that he didn't think through the likely consequences of his damaging statement. I blame the editor actually.

I cant somehow imagine that Keith had no right of retraction on anything he may have said in an unguarded moment to his co-author. Its HIS name on the book, after all. He's even said that Mick saw the book in advance.

The 'offending' quip was, in the context of the book itself, an insignificant aside. It was the press who took it out of context and exaggerated to such a degree that you'd be forgiven for thinking it was the only utterance of any significance that he made in 600 pages. Blame the press (and to a degree, the wider public) for being overly obsessed with the minutiae of the sex lives of people they dont even know.

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...pump his fist, call his bud on his cell phone and yell, "They're playing Midnight Rambler!"

...at least once in our lives, we all were exáctly like that.

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I still maintain that Keith was drunk when he co-wrote 'Life' and just shot off his mouth to his co-author. He probably does have a few regrets that he didn't think through the likely consequences of his damaging statement. I blame the editor actually.

Now wate a minute buddy: Could you be ANY more insensitive? Has the telling of the thruth been recently proclaimed to be sinful? It is only the tricky Mick who should be blamed in this case, because he has broken the hearts of all the people who have truly and deeply believed that he HAS HAD something in his jump suits - and not some prosthetic gadgets which are usualy used to visually enhance the sexual organ of transgender post-op patients!

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I still maintain that Keith was drunk when he co-wrote 'Life' and just shot off his mouth to his co-author. He probably does have a few regrets that he didn't think through the likely consequences of his damaging statement. I blame the editor actually.

Now wate a minute buddy: Could you be ANY more insensitive? Has the telling of the thruth been recently proclaimed to be sinful? It is only the tricky Mick who should be blamed in this case, because he has broken the hearts of all the people who have truly and deeply believed that he HAS HAD something in his jump suits - and not some prosthetic gadgets which are usualy used to visually enhance the sexual organ of transgender post-op patients!

Truth or not - and I would say NOT, as the only one of the many thousands of women Mick has been with in the last 50 years who has made such an allegation is Janice Dickinson, (a certified nutjob) - to be ridiculed so blatantly, cruelly and gratuitously as Keith did Mick is not something one would expect of one's business and creative partner of nearly 50 years, or of any kind of friend at all, least of all, one's oldest friend.

-Ms Bliss (not your buddy)



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