Haven't actually heard La Forum. But on my way to the vault. Is it better than LYL?

LYL, mainly because of the fantastic versions of Star Star, Hot Stuff, HTW, You Gotta Move, Fingerprint File and IORR.

And I haven't even mentioned the superb "El Mocambo-side" yet

I love both, though.

LA Friday by far. Best performance of the 1975 tour, best sounds. Sleazy decadence in its best form.

Mathijs

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Haven't actually heard La Forum. But on my way to the vault. Is it better than LYL?

You are thinking of the show from the 13th, right?

Best version of Gimme Shelter ever, imo.

LA Forum,I think.
LYL kind of butchered (Fingerprint File)...although side 3 is great.

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LA Forum,I think.
LYL kind of butchered (Fingerprint File)...although side 3 is great.

You've been listening too much to the Toronto show

But I agree, nothing beats the original unedited version of FF

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LA Forum,I think.
LYL kind of butchered (Fingerprint File)...although side 3 is great.

You've been listening too much to the Toronto show

But I agree, nothing beats the original unedited version of FF

I admit,you're right,DP.

I prefer the 1975 tour and so the show of LA.
from the other hand LYL has got a very good sound.

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I prefer the 1975 tour and so the show of LA.
from the other hand LYL has got a very good sound.

Many of the songs on LYL are from the 1975 tour.

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I prefer the 1975 tour and so the show of LA.
from the other hand LYL has got a very good sound.

Yes, but it´s beaten by LA75, best sounding Stones live-release IMO ...

Songs on LYL, and where they come from (copied from Nzentgraf.de)
Only three songs from 1975.

- Intro (Fanfare For The Common Man) -Paris 5.6.76, original
- Honky Tonk Women (MJ/KR) -Paris 5.6.76; reworked
- If You Can’t Rock Me-Get Off Of My Cloud (MJ/KR) -London 27.5.76; original
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Paris 5.6.76; reworked
- Hot Stuff (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Star Star (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Tumbling Dice (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76; reworked
- Fingerprint File (MJ/KR) -Toronto 17.6.75; reworked
- You Gotta Move (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Paris 5.6.76; original
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76; reworked
-Mannish Boy (McKinley Morganfield/Ellas McDaniel/Mel London) -Toronto
4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- Crackin’ Up (Ellas McDaniel) -Toronto 4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- Band introduction -Toronto 4.3.77; probably original
- Little Red Rooster (Willie Dixon) Toronto 4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- Around And Around (Chuck Berry) Toronto 4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- It’s Only Rock’n Roll (MJ/KR) Toronto 17.6.75; reworked
- Brown Sugar (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Jumping Jack Flash (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Sympathy For The Devil (MJ/KR) -Los Angeles 9.7.75; reworked

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

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I prefer the 1975 tour and so the show of LA.
from the other hand LYL has got a very good sound.

Many of the songs on LYL are from the 1975 tour.

Dandy, only three songs are from '75: IORR, FF and SFTD. I think the lack of more official releases or decent boots is the band wasn't into recording all the shows? I think the Colorado show(7/20) could have been another winner.

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I prefer the 1975 tour and so the show of LA.
from the other hand LYL has got a very good sound.

Many of the songs on LYL are from the 1975 tour.

Dandy, only three songs are from '75: IORR, FF and SFTD. I think the lack of more official releases or decent boots is the band wasn't into recording all the shows? I think the Colorado show(7/20) could have been another winner.

Yeah, I thought there were a couple of more tracks, but ok.

The 1975 tracks are among the best on the album, though. Especially the brilliant SFTD

Without any doubt LA 75, both officially available shows. LYL is a poor copy of what really happened on stage 75/76, in many ways "reworked", I would say in German: "verschlimmbessert" (artificial phrase for making worse by intending to improve). The Mocambo side - how great the performance is - isn't at the right place. Mocambo was and is worthy of a separate complete release - but that is another question ...



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Without any doubt LA 75, both officially available shows. LYL is a poor copy of what really happened on stage 75/76, in many ways "reworked", I would say in German: "verschlimmbessert" (artificial phrase for making worse by intending to improve). The Mocambo side - how great the performance is - isn't at the right place. Mocambo was and is worthy of a separate complete release - but that is another question ...

I agree about the importance of having a whole show from this tour.

But Hot Stuff, SFTD, IORR, YGM, HTW and FF are far from poor. Also, the reworking/overdubbing are exaggerated. Most of the overdubs are Mick's and Keith's vocals, shortening of songs and editing. Ronnie added some guitar on El Mocambo side, and Mick added harp.

LA75-----Beats it..

Going to see the Stones in Philly in 75
I was a little bummed by LYL...I think
it sounded flat compared to the 75 tour.

I haven't heard either, just because that era has always been a bit too sleazy for me, but if I were to choose one at this point, I'd go with LA Friday. I just feel that makes more sense since its a true representation of a full show, which I always prefer to a mangled together live album.

When you say LA 75 I take it you all mean the show from the 13th? Or both? Is the show from the 11th better than LYL musically??

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Without any doubt LA 75, both officially available shows. LYL is a poor copy of what really happened on stage 75/76, in many ways "reworked", I would say in German: "verschlimmbessert" (artificial phrase for making worse by intending to improve). The Mocambo side - how great the performance is - isn't at the right place. Mocambo was and is worthy of a separate complete release - but that is another question ...

I agree about the importance of having a whole show from this tour.

But Hot Stuff, SFTD, IORR, YGM, HTW and FF are far from poor. Also, the reworking/overdubbing are exaggerated. Most of the overdubs are Mick's and Keith's vocals, shortening of songs and editing. Ronnie added some guitar on El Mocambo side, and Mick added harp.

But the very shortening hurts: The intelligent architecture of Ronnie's long excellent solo on YCAGWYW (no sax solo at all in the original tape) was completely destroyed by editing. Otherwise I won't miss SFTD from the 9th, of course. Excellent guitars by Keith and Ronnie.

No sax solo on LYL, either.

For 1975 it is Toronto for me.

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For 1975 it is Toronto for me.

I don't think bootlegs count?

Sorry you are right! In that case the Toronto part from LYL. Although I like LA Forum very much.

In fact I'm happy with all the vault releases. Also the later years.

Toronto is my favourite show from 1975, too

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LA Friday by far. Best performance of the 1975 tour, best sounds. Sleazy decadence in its best form.

Mathijs

Agreed

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No sax solo on LYL, either.

Of course, I mean that Ronnie's solo is a stand alone act and lasts essentially longer than on LYL.

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No sax solo on LYL, either.

Of course, I mean that Ronnie's solo is a stand alone act and lasts essentially longer than on LYL.

I know. They probably edited this one (and other songs) down to avoid omitting songs for the two discs.

LYL has the El Mocambo side, which is great. Though I am also guessing the album is full of overdubs...so who knows what is 'live'.

For me, I cannot get over how far the band slide from 1973 to 1975. Did they WANT to be sloppier? Mick's vocals rougher?

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LYL has the El Mocambo side, which is great. Though I am also guessing the album is full of overdubs...so who knows what is 'live'.

For me, I cannot get over how far the band slide from 1973 to 1975. Did they WANT to be sloppier? Mick's vocals rougher?

That's not hard to spot. Mainly, the overdubbing is Mick's vocals (and some of Keith's). Songs are edited down, and there are a few new guitar and harp tracks on El Mocambo side (Ronnie on Crackin' Up and Mick on Mannish Boy come to mind).

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Songs on LYL, and where they come from (copied from Nzentgraf.de)
Only three songs from 1975.

- Intro (Fanfare For The Common Man) -Paris 5.6.76, original
- Honky Tonk Women (MJ/KR) -Paris 5.6.76; reworked
- If You Can’t Rock Me-Get Off Of My Cloud (MJ/KR) -London 27.5.76; original
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Paris 5.6.76; reworked
- Hot Stuff (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Star Star (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Tumbling Dice (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76; reworked
- Fingerprint File (MJ/KR) -Toronto 17.6.75; reworked
- You Gotta Move (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Paris 5.6.76; original
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76; reworked
-Mannish Boy (McKinley Morganfield/Ellas McDaniel/Mel London) -Toronto
4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- Crackin’ Up (Ellas McDaniel) -Toronto 4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- Band introduction -Toronto 4.3.77; probably original
- Little Red Rooster (Willie Dixon) Toronto 4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- Around And Around (Chuck Berry) Toronto 4. or 5.3.77; reworked
- It’s Only Rock’n Roll (MJ/KR) Toronto 17.6.75; reworked
- Brown Sugar (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Jumping Jack Flash (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76; reworked
- Sympathy For The Devil (MJ/KR) -Los Angeles 9.7.75;
reworked

IMHO Around and Around is one of the best live recordings the Stones have ever committed to vinyl, CD, download, or whatever. Right up there with MR from Brussels. 'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Greatest Chuck Berry Cover Band in the World, The Rolling Stones!'