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24FPS
There are big geniuses and little geniuses. Brian was a little genius. There was something in his playing on slide and on the multi-instruments that was beyond normal, with an almost ethereal, non-verbal emotion to them. John Lennon, to me, was a big genius, a powerful poet with probably the best soul wrenching voice in rock and roll. Jimi Hendrix was an other worldly big genius. In time I have managed to hear a lot of Jimi's influences, from Earl Hooker to Buddy Guy. But what Jimi did with them was totally original. I think the same can be said for some of Brian Jones' slide solos. No one ever claimed that Brian was a master recorder/marimba/accordian player. Lennon said he himself wasn't a great instrumentalist, but that he was an artist who could pick up an instrument and create something interesting with it.
Other rock geniuses, in my humble opinion, are Brian Wilson and Kurt Cobain. I'm sure there are others, but those stand out. Maybe my criteria is originality and emotional depth. And every one of them, including the Brian, the little genius, struggled mightily with that genius. That they seem to be speaking from another world is what makes them so seductive.
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mickschix
I understand completely why Mick and Keith lost patience with him and fortunately they cut him loose before he destroyed the band.
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mickschix
I understand completely why Mick and Keith lost patience with him and fortunately they cut him loose before he destroyed the band.
Well, regarding destroying the band the vampire twins ala Keith did his best by being a junkie and messing with guns during 70's and Mick did his best sneeking solo deals and hanging with Elton John etc during 80's onwards.
What was left after all that selfish acts is a farce of a band with no soul, no passion and shit songs. Rock & @#$%& Roll baby!
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Mathijs
Never post when your drunk.
Mathijs
Yes there are a lot of better songs than the ones you're mentioning . Wild Horses, Sway, Tumbling Dice, Shine A Light, Let It Loose, 100 Years Ago, Winter... I can go on and on and on...Quote
His Majesty
What from the Taylor era is better than Satisfaction, Ruby Tuesday, Paint It Black, The Last Time, 2000 Light Years From Home, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man etc etc?
There isn't anything better, it's just different, more rock orientated and with fancier guitar solos.
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DiscoVolanteYes there are a lot of better songs than the ones you're mentioning . Wild Horses, Sway, Tumbling Dice, Shine A Light, Let It Loose, 100 Years Ago, Winter... I can go on and on and on...Quote
His Majesty
What from the Taylor era is better than Satisfaction, Ruby Tuesday, Paint It Black, The Last Time, 2000 Light Years From Home, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man etc etc?
There isn't anything better, it's just different, more rock orientated and with fancier guitar solos.
Ruby Tuesday, such an overrated song. It's a nice little melody isn't it? Who give a damn about a recorder? That belongs in the boys' choir. There's no guitars in that song, ridiculous. And don't get me started on that Satanic Majesties Request trash, the psychedelic era was just an hazy and confused craze due to all the acid the bands were taking. And in case of the Stones they were just imitating the Beatles, such a mistake. There's a reason Jimmy Miller stiffened up things a year later and told them not to abandon the blues.
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DiscoVolanteYes there are a lot of better songs than the ones you're mentioning . Wild Horses, Sway, Tumbling Dice, Shine A Light, Let It Loose, 100 Years Ago, Winter... I can go on and on and on...Quote
His Majesty
What from the Taylor era is better than Satisfaction, Ruby Tuesday, Paint It Black, The Last Time, 2000 Light Years From Home, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man etc etc?
There isn't anything better, it's just different, more rock orientated and with fancier guitar solos.
Ruby Tuesday, such an overrated song. It's a nice little melody isn't it? Who give a damn about a recorder? That belongs in the boys' choir. There's no guitars in that song, ridiculous. And don't get me started on that Satanic Majesties Request trash, the psychedelic era was just an hazy and confused craze
due to all the acid the bands were taking. And in case of the Stones they were just imitating the Beatles, such a mistake. There's a reason Jimmy Miller stiffened up things a year later and told them not to abandon the blues.
Hey I've made myself through the Stones entire discography countless times and I did my Stones history homework a long time ago. Just because I wasn't there in the days or because I'm not british or anything doesn't mean that I don't understand the impact they had in the early days. I started this thread to understand what's so special about Brian Jones because I just don't see it. In my ears, the music they made in the midtime 60's was just a preview of what's to come. In the 70's the Stones reached a creative peak, Exile on Main St. speaks for itself, the only double-album they come to release. They were on fire. Nasty and dangerous.Quote
neptune
And here's a little advice for DiscoVolante: shut up and go get England's Newest Hitmakers, 12x5, and Now! Those three albums should get you started in understanding the roots of the Rolling Stones and why they became the greatest rock and roll band in the world.
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DiscoVolanteHey I've made myself through the Stones entire discography countless times and I did my Stones history homework a long time ago. Just because I wasn't there in the days or because I'm not british or anything doesn't mean that I don't understand the impact they had in the early days. I started this thread to understand what's so special about Brian Jones because I just don't see it. In my ears, the music they made in the midtime 60's was just a preview of what's to come. In the 70's the Stones reached a creative peak, Exile on Main St. speaks for itself, the only double-album they come to release. They were on fire. Nasty and dangerous.Quote
neptune
And here's a little advice for DiscoVolante: shut up and go get England's Newest Hitmakers, 12x5, and Now! Those three albums should get you started in understanding the roots of the Rolling Stones and why they became the greatest rock and roll band in the world.
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DiscoVolanteYes there are a lot of better songs than the ones you're mentioning . Wild Horses, Sway, Tumbling Dice, Shine A Light, Let It Loose, 100 Years Ago, Winter... I can go on and on and on...Quote
His Majesty
What from the Taylor era is better than Satisfaction, Ruby Tuesday, Paint It Black, The Last Time, 2000 Light Years From Home, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man etc etc?
There isn't anything better, it's just different, more rock orientated and with fancier guitar solos.
Ruby Tuesday, such an overrated song. It's a nice little melody isn't it? Who give a damn about a recorder? That belongs in the boys' choir. There's no guitars in that song, ridiculous. And don't get me started on that Satanic Majesties Request trash, the psychedelic era was just an hazy and confused craze
due to all the acid the bands were taking. And in case of the Stones they were just imitating the Beatles, such a mistake. There's a reason Jimmy Miller stiffened up things a year later and told them not to abandon the blues.
Like I said, just different, more rock orientated and with fancier solos.
The actual quality of songs was great before Taylor joined and during his time them, they are just fairly different in their arrangements due to the times they were recorded and his style of guitar playing.
Do you like Brians playing on No Expectations? Do you have anything positive to say about the vitally important first 7 or so years of the band?
If not why bother wasting your time talking about it?
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Rockman
Heck ...Without Brian they coulda ended up being called The Kidney Stones ......
Well, hopefully you've read what people in this thread have answered you. Either you want to understand what was special about Brian or you've just decided that you don't think he was special and that's it.Quote
DiscoVolante
I started this thread to understand what's so special about Brian Jones because I just don't see it.
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tonterapiWell, hopefully you've read what people in this thread have answered you. Either you want to understand what was special about Brian or you've just decided that you don't think he was special and that's it.Quote
DiscoVolante
I started this thread to understand what's so special about Brian Jones because I just don't see it.
One thing is funny though. You and Brian felt the same thing about Satanic Majesties. Brian even adviced Mick and Keith to stay true to their musical roots and don't follow the Beatles.
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tonterapiWell, hopefully you've read what people in this thread have answered you. Either you want to understand what was special about Brian or you've just decided that you don't think he was special and that's it.Quote
DiscoVolante
I started this thread to understand what's so special about Brian Jones because I just don't see it.
One thing is funny though. You and Brian felt the same thing about Satanic Majesties. Brian even adviced Mick and Keith to stay true to their musical roots and don't follow the Beatles.
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DiscoVolante
Riots of screaming girls (and teenage boys) who wasn't there for the music but for the pretty boys on stage. It wasn't 'til the US tour of '69 that people actually came to listen to the band. Altamont late-1969, that's what I call a riot, people getting killed by the Hells Angels. It wasn't 'til the late 60's that people would associate the Stones as in cahoots with the devil. Goats Head Soup, the nasty theme surrounding that album would never be touched in the 60's.
I don't doubt that the Stones were mean in the mid-60's but they were still kids back then.
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DiscoVolante
Riots of screaming girls (and teenage boys) who wasn't there for the music but for the pretty boys on stage
I totally agree with you. TSMR is my second favorite album by the Stones - only Beggar's Banquet is better IMHO.Quote
24FPS
Thank god they didn't listen. SMR is kind of a flop as an album, but worth it for She's A Rainbow, 2000 Light Years, and yes, In Another Land. Also the other singles they cut in that era, Dandelion, etc. are wonderful. They can't even pull of that kind of musical experimentation now. The Rolling Stones were more than 'The Greatest Rock and Roll Band In The World'. They were an incredible pop band. That's why they seem at odds with comparison to Led Zeppelin. The Stones could make perfect 3 minute pop songs, with hard rock overtones. There's a lost art to that. They last achieved that on a grand scale with Miss You. Mick Jagger even said in an early 70s interview that he thought of them as an Elizabethan band. Lots of groups could pull off rock and roll. But how many could pull off Lady Jane?
My guess is that he contributed because 1. He got the chance to continue experiment with all kinds of instruments as it fitted the psychedelic move and 2. He had the chance to get close to Keith again since he, Keith and Nicky Hopkins seems to have worked close developing the songs.Quote
tomk
Then why would Brian contribute so much to Satanic Majesties if he knew it was totally against his so-called "musical roots"?
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DiscoVolante
Ruby Tuesday, such an overrated song. It's a nice little melody isn't it? Who give a damn about a recorder? That belongs in the boys' choir. There's no guitars in that song, ridiculous. And don't get me started on that Satanic Majesties Request trash, the psychedelic era was just an hazy and confused craze due to all the acid the bands were taking. And in case of the Stones they were just imitating the Beatles, such a mistake. There's a reason Jimmy Miller stiffened up things a year later and told them not to abandon the blues.
The Stones did what everybody else did that year but in their own way. I don't think that it was revolutionary.Quote
Come On
But was it that revolutionary with the sounds on TSMR?
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His Majesty
Mick did his best sneeking solo deals and hanging with Elton John