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Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
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Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
Mathijs
They wouldn't have amplified the acoustic guitar with one of the onstage amps. More likely it would have been miked and sent through the P.A. like they did with the steel guitar on "Love In Vain" and "Prodigal Son" on the '69 tour, and "Sweet Virginia" in '72.
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Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
Mathijs
They wouldn't have amplified the acoustic guitar with one of the onstage amps. More likely it would have been miked and sent through the P.A. like they did with the steel guitar on "Love In Vain" and "Prodigal Son" on the '69 tour, and "Sweet Virginia" in '72.
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Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
Mathijs
They wouldn't have amplified the acoustic guitar with one of the onstage amps. More likely it would have been miked and sent through the P.A. like they did with the steel guitar on "Love In Vain" and "Prodigal Son" on the '69 tour, and "Sweet Virginia" in '72.
Of course they would send it through the PA and stage monitors, but that is the main problem: it is very difficult to amplify an acoustic like this together with electric guitar, bass and drums. In '71 that would be quite a dissaster. It wasn't until the contact mikes for acoustics worked properly in about 73/74 and the piezo element in the late 70's that it is possible to have an acoustic amplified with a full scale band.
On the pictures of Newcastle you can see only one acoustic, so they very well could have had the full band playing with only Taylor on acoustic, but this then could also be the reason why they dropped it after only one gig.
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I misunderstood Mathijs' statement, but who knows why they dropped "Wild Horses" after one or two shows. It may have something to do with the problem of amplifying the acoustic guitar (although they could have done it on electric as they did in '75) or perhaps they thought it was just too slow. If we had a tape to listen to perhaps we could better judge. The Stones are famous for playing great and lesser-known songs for the first show or two or a tour (usually with less then stellar results) then dropping them before they get a chance to develop into something good. They still do that.
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Maybe it was played with jagger on vocals, Taylor acoustic, Keith sitting next to jagger giving backup vocals? Every chance there was no electric guitar used during wild horses in 1971
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I misunderstood Mathijs' statement, but who knows why they dropped "Wild Horses" after one or two shows. It may have something to do with the problem of amplifying the acoustic guitar (although they could have done it on electric as they did in '75) or perhaps they thought it was just too slow.
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I misunderstood Mathijs' statement, but who knows why they dropped "Wild Horses" after one or two shows. It may have something to do with the problem of amplifying the acoustic guitar (although they could have done it on electric as they did in '75) or perhaps they thought it was just too slow.
Jagger mentioned in a 70s interview; think it was from 1971 actually....can't remember where I read it; that people didn't know what to do with "Wild Horses" - it was too slow; and also completely new to the audience
Anybody recall the exact words?
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Jagger mentioned in a 70s interview; think it was from 1971 actually....can't remember where I read it; that people didn't know what to do with "Wild Horses" - it was too slow; and also completely new to the audience
Anybody recall the exact words?
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I still think it's probably more likely that they did "Wild Horses" on electric guitars in '71. Perhaps I'm wrong, I just think it's more likely that the acoustic guitar pictured was used for "Prodigal Son", which is tuned in open E or D, so there would have had to have been a second acoustic for "Wild Horses" or it was done on electrics. I suspect the latter but we'll probably never know for sure unless somebody uncovers some photographs or a recording.
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Assuming they did play PS, it indeed would be more logical WH was played on electrics.
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keefbajaga
haven't you seen the 1971 live footage "At the Marquee?"
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haven't you seen the 1971 live footage "At the Marquee?"
Yes I have. But Marquee 1971 is a performance made for TV - with hired audience, just like Rock'n Roll Circus 1968
Marquee Club is not a part of the 1971 UK Tour - it took place 2 weeks after the real 1971 tour ended.
I thought about specifying this in my post above, in case somebody would mention Marquee Club 1971....but didn't
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Not only, the reporter writes that the band started with JJF, followed by Live with me and (QUOTE) AN OBSCURE TRACK FROM FLOWERS COLLECTION WAS NEXT, PRIOR TO (...) STRAY CAT BLUES.(UNQUOTE)
If this is true, the third track of the setlist was not DEAD FLOWERS as we thought, but a track from the FLOWERS LP.
The obscure track could be Sittin on a fence , Backstreet girl ? Sounds impossible. More probable the reporter listened to Dead Flowers and misleaded the song with the compilation title.
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haven't you seen the 1971 live footage "At the Marquee?"
Yes I have. But Marquee 1971 is a performance made for TV - with hired audience, just like Rock'n Roll Circus 1968
Marquee Club is not a part of the 1971 UK Tour - it took place 2 weeks after the real 1971 tour ended.
I thought about specifying this in my post above, in case somebody would mention Marquee Club 1971....but didn't
what about the Leeds University gig? (one of the famous bootleg recordings)
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The Leeds gig is lazy and messy, imo. A very good Stray Cat Blues, though.
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Interesting to see Keith and MT playing fender's not ampeg amps. Now we need a recording of this show. Very good research!
That's why the Leeds and Marquee shows feature such clean guitars, and are so mediocre in my opinion. At The Roundhouse probably the Ampegs where used again, as the guitars are much more overdriven.
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Must have overlooked this interesting thread first time.
I think the Leeds gig was quite mediocre.But still some good songs like Let it rock and the unusual Satisfaction rendition.In those days they were still playing around with some of their songs. I liked that.
And from the begining when I first got the bootleg I liked Midnight Rambler. Particularly the beginning of the song and especially the guitar sound.I think it's been different to all other tours.Which guitar/amps did he use there?