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That's what I was wondering. I thought he kept detailed diaries throughout his years in the band?
If it's the one with Gimme Shelter and i think Don't Lie To Me,then i'm pretty certain it's not the Stones playing CYHMK but a live version by another band tagged on for some reason. The recording quality of it is completely different to the two other rehearsal tracks for a start
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-16 22:05 by still ill.
he can't help it :E
yep! Keith later got a stand-in for it, but he didn't like it
and he only used it at a couple of shows on the 72 tour. but i digress, sorry!
[flinging shiny excellent-research confetti all over Erik Snow]
We all agree that Mick Jagger is the last person you would go to if you have questions about last week's setlist. But, the interview literally happened on the way back from the gig to home in London. So, if Jagger states the audience didn't react to a song played a day ago, who are we to disagree..
Mathijs
It is very unlikely LIV was played on an acoustic....
Mathijs
This actually interests me more than CYHMK. I wonder if it's true?
Yes, well put . . . those photos of Newcastle are absolutely amazing, God I loved rock music, to bad those days are gone . . .
Wow..amazing photos! I've never seen most of these before. It's amazing how small and intimate this hall was. Look at the fans just sitting nonchalantly in the seats behind the band. And that huge pipe organ. They should have had Nicky Hopkins play on it for "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
Marquee?
It's great to see how small and intimate the stage was back then. The whole set-up is actually smaller than in USA '69. The EXIT sign off the left next to Nicky Hopkins and Chip Monck; and that box behind Charlie, LOL. Jagger is surrounded by the WEM speaker columns which they use as monitors. I have never seen a monitor setup like that - where they also have one laying in front of the drum riser coming at Jagger from behind. I am kind of surprised this didn't create some feedback clusterf*ck.
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
That acoustic is the late '60's blonde Gibson Hummingbird. It is most probably the one Brian played at Redlands in '68, the one used on about all SF and Exile tracks, and used on some '72 shows, and the first couple '73 shows. In all likelyhood it is the guitar used by Jagger throughout the 90's.
On the 1970 tour Keith used a Harmony 12-string for the acoustic tracks.
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
Mathijs
Thanks for the info. Yes that could be a hard task
...yet they kept Prodigal Son in the setlist though...but, there wouldn't be any electric guitar interfering at that song - tho'; unlike Wild Horses
Doesn't Rockman have every photo ever taken of the Stones?
is that from the b-stage, erik?
He does. If he only can find them in his archieve
Yes - Little Queenie, Satisfaction and the other "oldie"....Let It Rock was performed there. "Miss You" was not yet written....so everything was silent when doing the bridge. A little aquard moment, IOW
what a bunch of amateurs....luckily they would evolve into the tightly polished act we know and love today.
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Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
CindyC
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Date: March 16, 2011 22:00
Keith looking WAY sex-ay in those pants - very nice indeed.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: March 16, 2011 22:03
Quote
The SicilianQuote
Erik_SnowQuote
liddas
I tend to believe old Bill (and the articles above), at least with regard to Knocking [...]
Well yes so do I; BUT - there are a lot mistakes, at least "setlist-wise" in Bill Wymans book. I was not prepared for those "obvious mistakes"......as Bill previously seem to have it all under control.
But - at least he was right about the 1971 setlist !
What is Bill's source of the setlist, his memory or his diary or ?
That's what I was wondering. I thought he kept detailed diaries throughout his years in the band?
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
still ill
()
Date: March 16, 2011 22:04
Quote
OpenG
I am probably wrong but I think they had rehersals in 1972 in the USA and fooled
around with CYHMK on some soundcheck boot.
play the guitar boy
If it's the one with Gimme Shelter and i think Don't Lie To Me,then i'm pretty certain it's not the Stones playing CYHMK but a live version by another band tagged on for some reason. The recording quality of it is completely different to the two other rehearsal tracks for a start
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-16 22:05 by still ill.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: March 16, 2011 22:21
Do any recordings exist of Mick performing this on his 1988 Australian tour? Just curious what it sounded like...
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
with sssoul
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Date: March 16, 2011 22:31
Quote
CindyC
Keith looking WAY sex-ay in those pants - very nice indeed.
he can't help it :E
Quote
Elmo Lewis
Did the plexiglas guitar(s) get stolen at Nellcote?
yep! Keith later got a stand-in for it, but he didn't like it
and he only used it at a couple of shows on the 72 tour. but i digress, sorry!
[flinging shiny excellent-research confetti all over Erik Snow]
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: March 16, 2011 22:53
Quote
Rank Stranger
Hello Mathijs!
You say that we knew for long that CYHMK & WH were performed by quoting an interview with Jagger.
The NME was indeed very close to the Stones from ~1970 to ~1976, thanks to reporters like Roy Carr, Charles Shaar Murray and Nick Kent.
The only thing is,how much can we trust Mick Jagger remembering setlists??
I seem to remember a Jagger interview in NME from the mid-seventies, when Jagger stated, that they had also performed "Sister Morphine" once!
I know I made a mistake, when I sold all my NMEs back in the eighties;
if I still had them,I would spend a week trying to find that interview again;
if only to see whether or not my memory serves me well!!
Ah, I forgot,thanks of course to Jean Marie & Erik!
We all agree that Mick Jagger is the last person you would go to if you have questions about last week's setlist. But, the interview literally happened on the way back from the gig to home in London. So, if Jagger states the audience didn't react to a song played a day ago, who are we to disagree..
Mathijs
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: March 16, 2011 22:56
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geoffc
I went to one of the Manchester shows in March 71, and I'm pretty certain CYHMK and Wild Horses weren't played - Brown Sugar and Bitch were introduced as new songs from Sticky Fingers, but the rest of the set were familiar songs. The other thing I remember was Keith picking up his acoustic for Love In Vain, and finding it was so far out of tune that they abandoned it.
It is very unlikely LIV was played on an acoustic....
Mathijs
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: March 16, 2011 23:01
Quote
Rank Stranger
Hello Mathijs!
You say that we knew for long that CYHMK & WH were performed by quoting an interview with Jagger.
The NME was indeed very close to the Stones from ~1970 to ~1976, thanks to reporters like Roy Carr, Charles Shaar Murray and Nick Kent.
The only thing is,how much can we trust Mick Jagger remembering setlists??
I seem to remember a Jagger interview in NME from the mid-seventies, when Jagger stated, that they had also performed "Sister Morphine" once!
I know I made a mistake, when I sold all my NMEs back in the eighties;
if I still had them,I would spend a week trying to find that interview again;
if only to see whether or not my memory serves me well!!
Ah, I forgot,thanks of course to Jean Marie & Erik!
This actually interests me more than CYHMK. I wonder if it's true?
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
NorthShoreBlues2
()
Date: March 17, 2011 00:01
Quote
GazzaQuote
marcovandereijk
There must be a couple of thousands of people who were at the show, I presume. How come
none of them is posting here on IORR?
Probably because it was 40 years ago and they're now around 60 and the vast majority wouldnt be interested in internet Stones sites let alone discussing the minutiae of set lists which, at the time, didnt seem to be of any consequence.
Its easy to forget sometimes that the % of us who give a toss about these things is very small indeed.
However, I include myself in that minority so thanks to jean-marie and Erik for the confirmation of something I've always suspected was correct.
Yes, well put . . . those photos of Newcastle are absolutely amazing, God I loved rock music, to bad those days are gone . . .
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
stoneslib
()
Date: March 17, 2011 00:33
Quote
Erik_Snow
Here a news-article from the performance in Newcastle:
" [....] The rest of the set is built on the emotional platform created by that number ["Midnight Rambler"] A new song follows, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", fast and jumpy in the same vein as "Jumpin Jack Flash" marred only by some flat picking by Keith on his plexiglass model. His gutty tone makes way for Taylor's more refined approach. Jagger retires for a moment to the sidelines, puts on his cap, and then turns to Jim Price, as if to say "going all right ennit". Another very melodic, new cut called "Wild Horses"- "they couldn't drag me away" sweeps melodically in. [....]"
(from Melody Maker 03/71)
" [....] Somthing old something new. Something borrowed something blue. That was the music menu the Stones served up at the City Hall, Newcastle, last week. [....] Something "new" were things like "White Horses" and "Prodigal Son" [...] "
(from Disc and Music Echo 1971)
Another newspaper review from the time adds further confirmation:
"After much shilly-shallying and years of talk about 'longing to get back on the road' the Rolling Stones finally made it to the City Hall, Newcastle upon Tyne, where they opened their first national tour since 1967. [....] With four new songs to add spice (including a really beautiful one 'Wildhorses'), it took them half-an-hour to warm up [...]"
(from Manchester Guardian, March 5, 1971, p. 10)
Great thread, by the way.
Harold
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Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in 1971
Posted by:
TornAndFried
()
Date: March 17, 2011 01:12
Quote
Erik_Snow
Note:
behind Jagger....the guitar used for Wild Horses
Newcastle 1971 [sorry, no credits]
Wow..amazing photos! I've never seen most of these before. It's amazing how small and intimate this hall was. Look at the fans just sitting nonchalantly in the seats behind the band. And that huge pipe organ. They should have had Nicky Hopkins play on it for "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Smokey
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Date: March 17, 2011 02:10
Was the band recording their shows regularly back in '71?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-17 02:15 by Smokey.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-17 02:15 by Smokey.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
hedegaard
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Date: March 17, 2011 02:16
I would really like to now, which A---- taht keep this Newcastle recoding to himself. Selfish idiot!!
Bo
Bo
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Smokey
()
Date: March 17, 2011 02:17
Quote
Gazza
only three of them (Coventry, London Roundhouse and the broadcast of the Leeds show) in circulation.
Marquee?
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: March 17, 2011 03:47
Marquee wasnt a UK tour show - it was taped two weeks afterwards.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
melillo
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Date: March 17, 2011 04:23
very encouraging news
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in 1971
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
()
Date: March 17, 2011 04:52
Nice work Erik....just curious though....what makes you think "Wild Horses" was performed on acoustic? I assumed the acoustic guitar pictured was for "Prodigal Son" and would have been tuned to open D or E. "Wild Horses" would have to be done in standard or open G.
Someone may mention that Keith did "Prodigal Son" on a metal bodied National in '69 but I've read that he switched to a wooden bodied acoustic in 1970 for the acoustic segment of the show.
Regardless, nice work giving us the definitive (as far as I'm concerned) answer to something that has been discussed here many times.
edit: Sorry all.......I hadn't read all the posts yet but vudicus already beat me to the punch.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-17 04:59 by Tumblin_Dice_07.
Someone may mention that Keith did "Prodigal Son" on a metal bodied National in '69 but I've read that he switched to a wooden bodied acoustic in 1970 for the acoustic segment of the show.
Regardless, nice work giving us the definitive (as far as I'm concerned) answer to something that has been discussed here many times.
edit: Sorry all.......I hadn't read all the posts yet but vudicus already beat me to the punch.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-03-17 04:59 by Tumblin_Dice_07.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in 1971
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: March 17, 2011 10:49
Quote
TornAndFriedQuote
Erik_Snow
Note:
behind Jagger....the guitar used for Wild Horses
Newcastle 1971 [sorry, no credits]
Wow..amazing photos! I've never seen most of these before. It's amazing how small and intimate this hall was. Look at the fans just sitting nonchalantly in the seats behind the band. And that huge pipe organ. They should have had Nicky Hopkins play on it for "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
It's great to see how small and intimate the stage was back then. The whole set-up is actually smaller than in USA '69. The EXIT sign off the left next to Nicky Hopkins and Chip Monck; and that box behind Charlie, LOL. Jagger is surrounded by the WEM speaker columns which they use as monitors. I have never seen a monitor setup like that - where they also have one laying in front of the drum riser coming at Jagger from behind. I am kind of surprised this didn't create some feedback clusterf*ck.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
ghostryder13
()
Date: March 17, 2011 11:09
eric is the man. i'm sure those reporters would of recognized wild horses since it was in the gimme shelter film
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: March 17, 2011 12:23
Some of those good pics were taken from that upper tier inside the Leeds auditorium. I finally saw bigger pics of the place and caught the nice balcony. I was wondering where those pictures of the Stones taken from up high came from.
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: March 17, 2011 20:23
Quote
vudicus
Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: March 17, 2011 20:33
Quote
Erik_SnowQuote
vudicus
Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
That acoustic is the late '60's blonde Gibson Hummingbird. It is most probably the one Brian played at Redlands in '68, the one used on about all SF and Exile tracks, and used on some '72 shows, and the first couple '73 shows. In all likelyhood it is the guitar used by Jagger throughout the 90's.
On the 1970 tour Keith used a Harmony 12-string for the acoustic tracks.
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
Mathijs
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: March 17, 2011 20:56
Quote
Mathijs
That acoustic is the late '60's blonde Gibson Hummingbird. It is most probably the one Brian played at Redlands in '68, the one used on about all SF and Exile tracks, and used on some '72 shows, and the first couple '73 shows. In all likelyhood it is the guitar used by Jagger throughout the 90's.
On the 1970 tour Keith used a Harmony 12-string for the acoustic tracks.
It would be quite an experiment to amplify an acoustic in '71 with these banks of amps behind it...it could be a reason why they only did it one or two times.
Mathijs
Thanks for the info. Yes that could be a hard task
...yet they kept Prodigal Son in the setlist though...but, there wouldn't be any electric guitar interfering at that song - tho'; unlike Wild Horses
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: March 17, 2011 20:56
Quote
Erik_SnowQuote
vudicus
Is there any definite proof that Keith used the acoustic for Wild Horses?
During all other 1970s performaces of this song he played it on the electric.
I can imagine he used the acoustic for "Prodigal Song" but wouldn't be surprised if he went electric on "wild Horses" as he also does on "Dead Flowers"
No I'm afraid no definete proof. My comment about the acoustic being used for Wild Horses could very well be wrong.
But I'm fairly certain I've seen a photo of Rolling Stones at TOTP 1971, doing "Wild Horses", in which Keith used the same acoustic guitar....or a quite like one. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do electric in concert....as TOTP was a playback with live vocals anyway.
If somebody has a TOTP "Wild Horses" photo....please put it up here
Can't recall where I've seen that (or *those*) photos......hmmmm...
Doesn't Rockman have every photo ever taken of the Stones?
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: March 17, 2011 20:57
A couple more photos
Newcastle 1971 - no credits
Newcastle 1971 - no credits
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: March 17, 2011 21:00
Quote
Erik_Snow
A couple more photos
Newcastle 1971 - no credits
is that from the b-stage, erik?
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: March 17, 2011 21:01
Newcastle 1971
[no credits]
[no credits]
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: March 17, 2011 21:02
Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Doesn't Rockman have every photo ever taken of the Stones?
He does. If he only can find them in his archieve
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: March 17, 2011 21:05
Quote
StonesTodQuote
Erik_Snow
A couple more photos
Newcastle 1971 - no credits
is that from the b-stage, erik?
Yes - Little Queenie, Satisfaction and the other "oldie"....Let It Rock was performed there. "Miss You" was not yet written....so everything was silent when doing the bridge. A little aquard moment, IOW
Re: Wild Horses and Can't You Hear Me Knockin WAS performed LIVE in Newcastle 1971 !
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: March 17, 2011 21:09
Quote
Erik_SnowQuote
StonesTodQuote
Erik_Snow
A couple more photos
Newcastle 1971 - no credits
is that from the b-stage, erik?
Yes - Little Queenie, Satisfaction and the other "oldie"....Let It Rock was performed there. "Miss You" was not yet written....so everything was silent when doing the bridge. A little aquard moment, IOW
what a bunch of amateurs....luckily they would evolve into the tightly polished act we know and love today.
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