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I'd love to hear a recording of the Yardbirds from that tour but I have never heard of any recordings coming to light. As Beck/Page recorded collaborations only the version of 'Train Kept a Rollin'" from 'Blow Up' 'Happenings Ten Years Time Ago' and 'Psycho Daisies' come to mind. Did they outplay the Stones? Unless someone who was there chimes in we may never know...Quote
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The UK-tour 1966, Stones had the Yardbirds as opening act. At that point they had Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page on guitar, had made great blues stuff for more than two years while Stones in 1966 played pop! Just listen to the "Got live if you want it" LP from that tour, sounds horrible! I have never heard anything from Yardbirds stuff from this tour, but I suspect that they played the shirt of the Stones on that tour??
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Just listen to the "Got live if you want it" LP from that tour, sounds horrible!
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Althouhg Beck and Page were technically better guitar players than Keith and Brian...
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The definitive Yardbirds '66 Rave Up
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There's a Great Shakes commercial that has both Beck and Page.
There are no live concert recordings, and very few photographs of them onstage.
According to all, it was a rather hit-or-miss combination, mostly misses.
Page was good onstage, but Beck could be erratic.
It looks good on paper but never seemed to get off the ground before Beck left.
Happenings is a monster track, though.
That whole Stones 1966 UK tour is rather odd. Besides the pictures of them at the Albert Hall, I haven't seen any photos of any other gigs. ANd look at the lineup: Stones, Ike and Tina Turner, and the Yardbirds!
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The UK-tour 1966, Stones had the Yardbirds as opening act. At that point they had Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page on guitar, had made great blues stuff for more than two years while Stones in 1966 played pop! Just listen to the "Got live if you want it" LP from that tour, sounds horrible! I have never heard anything from Yardbirds stuff from this tour, but I suspect that they played the shirt of the Stones on that tour??
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Kuntaman
The UK-tour 1966, Stones had the Yardbirds as opening act. At that point they had Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page on guitar, had made great blues stuff for more than two years while Stones in 1966 played pop! Just listen to the "Got live if you want it" LP from that tour, sounds horrible! I have never heard anything from Yardbirds stuff from this tour, but I suspect that they played the shirt of the Stones on that tour??
You should realize that at this point in time, the Stones were already rock giants,with 11 hit singles (7 of which went to no.1) and 4 charttopping albums, their last one (Aftermath) a great artistic achievement. The Yardbirds, however,
were on the verge of becoming "has-beens", which they definitely were 6 months later. And what do you mean "made great blues stuff for more than two years"?
Their discography was this : 1 old live album (w/Clapton, no Beck or Page), 4 pop singles only moderately successful (and 3 of them penned by professional pop songwriters). Then they had a quite good recent pop album (Roger the engineer), featuring "Over under sideways down", which is a good song, but was essentially a flop. Don't misunderstand me, I like the Yardbirds, but the thought that they would "play the shirt off the Stones" is simply ridiculous.
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Kuntaman
The UK-tour 1966, Stones had the Yardbirds as opening act. At that point they had Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page on guitar, had made great blues stuff for more than two years while Stones in 1966 played pop! Just listen to the "Got live if you want it" LP from that tour, sounds horrible! I have never heard anything from Yardbirds stuff from this tour, but I suspect that they played the shirt of the Stones on that tour??
You should realize that at this point in time, the Stones were already rock giants,with 11 hit singles (7 of which went to no.1) and 4 charttopping albums, their last one (Aftermath) a great artistic achievement. The Yardbirds, however,
were on the verge of becoming "has-beens", which they definitely were 6 months later. And what do you mean "made great blues stuff for more than two years"?
Their discography was this : 1 old live album (w/Clapton, no Beck or Page), 4 pop singles only moderately successful (and 3 of them penned by professional pop songwriters). Then they had a quite good recent pop album (Roger the engineer), featuring "Over under sideways down", which is a good song, but was essentially a flop. Don't misunderstand me, I like the Yardbirds, but the thought that they would "play the shirt off the Stones" is simply ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous to think that Page and Beck, on dual lead guitars, would have packed a little more firepower than Keith and Brian, but you're absolutely right about the Stones being a MUCH bigger act in 1966 than the Yardbirds. To an audience of Stones fans at the time, the setlist of self-penned hits, and the frenetic energy with which they performed them, would have blown the Yardbirds off the stage.
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Kuntaman
The UK-tour 1966, Stones had the Yardbirds as opening act. At that point they had Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page on guitar, had made great blues stuff for more than two years while Stones in 1966 played pop! Just listen to the "Got live if you want it" LP from that tour, sounds horrible! I have never heard anything from Yardbirds stuff from this tour, but I suspect that they played the shirt of the Stones on that tour??
You should realize that at this point in time, the Stones were already rock giants,with 11 hit singles (7 of which went to no.1) and 4 charttopping albums, their last one (Aftermath) a great artistic achievement. The Yardbirds, however,
were on the verge of becoming "has-beens", which they definitely were 6 months later. And what do you mean "made great blues stuff for more than two years"?
Their discography was this : 1 old live album (w/Clapton, no Beck or Page), 4 pop singles only moderately successful (and 3 of them penned by professional pop songwriters). Then they had a quite good recent pop album (Roger the engineer), featuring "Over under sideways down", which is a good song, but was essentially a flop. Don't misunderstand me, I like the Yardbirds, but the thought that they would "play the shirt off the Stones" is simply ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous to think that Page and Beck, on dual lead guitars, would have packed a little more firepower than Keith and Brian, but you're absolutely right about the Stones being a MUCH bigger act in 1966 than the Yardbirds. To an audience of Stones fans at the time, the setlist of self-penned hits, and the frenetic energy with which they performed them, would have blown the Yardbirds off the stage.
Yeah, at the time there was only one band in the world that could outshine them and that was The Beatles. It was not the quesion of the competence of the guitarists (with the technology of the day - who would hear the difference, anyway?) - it was the hits, hits and more hits, the hysteria and the physical iconic presence. 1966 was the peak year of The Beatles vs. Stones competition - when "Have You Seen Ypur Mother, Baby?" failed to make the peak position that was almost shocking news. The Yardirds were totally in a different league - the time to praise and notice the excellence of their key players was to come later, after acts like Jimi Hendrix, Cream started to gather attention, and the rock music "progressed". But in 1966 it was a pop hysteria, and the Stones were the kings of it with The Beatles.
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As good as Page and Beck were, the material they played, and the time constraints in which they had to play it, allowed little room to really stretch out and jam. It wasn't a question of what they were capable of doing, it was a matter of how much of it were they going to be able to show you in a 20-minute set of their hit singles.
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Greenblues
Listening to "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago" one senses that it was Beck's explosive spirit that fuelled this fantastic twin-guitar performance. Listen to all these "Little Games" recordings with Jimmy Page, and you realise that the magic has gone, they simple don't gel anymore. What had sounded like psychodelic hard rock heaven before is now falling to pieces, one half Pagey's knowingly conceived, but somehow pale hard rock (lacking Beck's volatile unpredictablity), the other half Keith Relf's romantic pop style, never meshing, never catching fire.
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Greenblues
Listening to "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago" one senses that it was Beck's explosive spirit that fuelled this fantastic twin-guitar performance. Listen to all these "Little Games" recordings with Jimmy Page, and you realise that the magic has gone, they simple don't gel anymore. What had sounded like psychodelic hard rock heaven before is now falling to pieces, one half Pagey's knowingly conceived, but somehow pale hard rock (lacking Beck's volatile unpredictablity), the other half Keith Relf's romantic pop style, never meshing, never catching fire.
Happenings Ten Years Time Ago is one of the best songs of the sixties, as good as anything the Stones did (or the Beatles, or Bob Dylan, or Serge Gainsbourg). Just fantastic.
But I like Little Games, too. Semi-successful chamber pop. (...) If they'd been able to reconcile their different ambitions they could have gone on to be huge; Live Yardbirds: Featuring Jimmy Page is three quarters of the way to Led Zeppelin.
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Page's elaborated style needed more powerful and "pro"-like co-musicians, especially on the vocal department. And he was very lucky to find his perfect musical foils in Led Zeppelin.