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Honestly, I'm not so thrilled as many here. I think the intersting and capturing thing - unfortunately - in Mick's performance is just the age card - "for his age" his dancing is incredibly energetic, and his physical presence defies the aging process. Well, for long the age factor has worked nicely for him, and makes him unique. He seemingly knows that what is his biggest attraction these days.

But if we look behind the physical miracle all I can see a man taking not any riskies but almost mechanically aping his own gestures and manouvres. For those five minutes he seemingly puts all the basic Jagger cliches we know from an ordinary Rolling Stones show. The song - an uptempo, "Start Me Up"-like number - is safe and sure choice for him to perform and nasal-mimic singing (the singing part really has a secondary role in this performance). I wish he could have chosen "If You Need Me" kind of thing with which he could sing/interpret really and perhaps try to reach/touch the people in that way but perhaps that was way too challenging. Too much riskies.

Sorry, for spoiling the party but I can't help being felt disappointed. I just don't feel comfortable with the freak-show ("what a physical condition for his age") element. It leaves me somehow artistically cold.

- Doxa

The only party you've spoiled is your own. Great over-analysis...too bad you couldn't just enjoy it for what it was. A highly energetic homage. He was great to see and the crowd clearly loved it.

hey - doxa overanalyzes as a way of life - but this was not an over-analysis by his standards. it was succinct and to the point...and he makes a very good point.

It leaves him 'somehow artistically cold'. What a nerd.

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I was not sure before last night, but now I know I would pay to see Jagger if he toured with his own band. Great performance. If Keith and Ronnie are unable to play in good form, Jagger should tour on his own.

Agree 100%

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Honestly, I'm not so thrilled as many here. I think the intersting and capturing thing - unfortunately - in Mick's performance is just the age card - "for his age" his dancing is incredibly energetic, and his physical presence defies the aging process. Well, for long the age factor has worked nicely for him, and makes him unique. He seemingly knows that what is his biggest attraction these days.

But if we look behind the physical miracle all I can see a man taking not any riskies but almost mechanically aping his own gestures and manouvres. For those five minutes he seemingly puts all the basic Jagger cliches we know from an ordinary Rolling Stones show. The song - an uptempo, "Start Me Up"-like number - is safe and sure choice for him to perform and nasal-mimic singing (the singing part really has a secondary role in this performance). I wish he could have chosen "If You Need Me" kind of thing with which he could sing/interpret really and perhaps try to reach/touch the people in that way but perhaps that was way too challenging. Too much riskies.

Sorry, for spoiling the party but I can't help being felt disappointed. I just don't feel comfortable with the freak-show ("what a physical condition for his age") element. It leaves me somehow artistically cold.

- Doxa

The only party you've spoiled is your own. Great over-analysis...too bad you couldn't just enjoy it for what it was. A highly energetic homage. He was great to see and the crowd clearly loved it.

hey - doxa overanalyzes as a way of life - but this was not an over-analysis by his standards. it was succinct and to the point...and he makes a very good point.

It leaves him 'somehow artistically cold'. What a nerd.

jagger's no nerd

i just think those of us hoping and wishing against hope realize after last night, that if the stones continue on the stage - it will just continue to be the "mick jagger show" - and that's disappointing, if hardly a revelation.

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Honestly, I'm not so thrilled as many here. I think the intersting and capturing thing - unfortunately - in Mick's performance is just the age card - "for his age" his dancing is incredibly energetic, and his physical presence defies the aging process. Well, for long the age factor has worked nicely for him, and makes him unique. He seemingly knows that what is his biggest attraction these days.

But if we look behind the physical miracle all I can see a man taking not any riskies but almost mechanically aping his own gestures and manouvres. For those five minutes he seemingly puts all the basic Jagger cliches we know from an ordinary Rolling Stones show. The song - an uptempo, "Start Me Up"-like number - is safe and sure choice for him to perform and nasal-mimic singing (the singing part really has a secondary role in this performance). I wish he could have chosen "If You Need Me" kind of thing with which he could sing/interpret really and perhaps try to reach/touch the people in that way but perhaps that was way too challenging. Too much riskies.

Sorry, for spoiling the party but I can't help being felt disappointed. I just don't feel comfortable with the freak-show ("what a physical condition for his age") element. It leaves me somehow artistically cold.

- Doxa

The only party you've spoiled is your own. Great over-analysis...too bad you couldn't just enjoy it for what it was. A highly energetic homage. He was great to see and the crowd clearly loved it.

hey - doxa overanalyzes as a way of life - but this was not an over-analysis by his standards. it was succinct and to the point...and he makes a very good point.

It leaves him 'somehow artistically cold'. What a nerd.

jagger's no nerd

i just think those of us hoping and wishing against hope realize after last night, that if the stones continue on the stage - it will just continue to be the "mick jagger show" - and that's disappointing, if hardly a revelation.

ha ha...

I'm not sure I'm in the majority, but I'd rather that than no show.

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I do not know what some of you out there do expect, but to me it seems like a teenage lament by fans who lost track that 48 years have passed. Not only did these year put on age to Mick Jagger, but also to all of you out there. Mick today can do what ever he wants on stage. But as a man of well behaviour by today he knows what most of the crowd expects.
I do not know what you expect from a 68 year old man. But of of them in that age are dead and the other half not very healthy. So once agai: feel honored that you have been and still are a part of musical history which won't be seen in the coming decades.

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The most important thing for me: The man did 100%

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Honestly, I'm not so thrilled as many here. I think the intersting and capturing thing - unfortunately - in Mick's performance is just the age card - "for his age" his dancing is incredibly energetic, and his physical presence defies the aging process. Well, for long the age factor has worked nicely for him, and makes him unique. He seemingly knows that what is his biggest attraction these days.

But if we look behind the physical miracle all I can see a man taking not any riskies but almost mechanically aping his own gestures and manouvres. For those five minutes he seemingly puts all the basic Jagger cliches we know from an ordinary Rolling Stones show. The song - an uptempo, "Start Me Up"-like number - is safe and sure choice for him to perform and nasal-mimic singing (the singing part really has a secondary role in this performance). I wish he could have chosen "If You Need Me" kind of thing with which he could sing/interpret really and perhaps try to reach/touch the people in that way but perhaps that was way too challenging. Too much riskies.

Sorry, for spoiling the party but I can't help being felt disappointed. I just don't feel comfortable with the freak-show ("what a physical condition for his age") element. It leaves me somehow artistically cold.

- Doxa

The only party you've spoiled is your own. Great over-analysis...too bad you couldn't just enjoy it for what it was. A highly energetic homage. He was great to see and the crowd clearly loved it.

hey - doxa overanalyzes as a way of life - but this was not an over-analysis by his standards. it was succinct and to the point...and he makes a very good point.

It leaves him 'somehow artistically cold'. What a nerd.

jagger's no nerd

i just think those of us hoping and wishing against hope realize after last night, that if the stones continue on the stage - it will just continue to be the "mick jagger show" - and that's disappointing, if hardly a revelation.

ha ha...

I'm not sure I'm in the majority, but I'd rather that than no show.

you're in the majority. but seriously, it's so much of a been-there-done-that - and yeah, it's fabulous to see mick still able to command a stage - but, the downside is that it seems there will never be that new approach to the live stones act that many of us have been waiting for...where music, not spectacle, takes center-stage again...

The question is :
Is Mick Jagger still able to perform that way during a whole world tour ?

Where is Gazza's thoughts on this? He is conspiciously absent. I think the dreadful Dylan performance forced him to retreat to his sheep farm

Everyone is waiting for you to continue this fawning over Mick's earth shattering performance.

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Where is Gazza's thoughts on this?

he's outsourced his thoughts to me today. i'll field any questions on his behalf....

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Where is Gazza's thoughts on this? He is conspiciously absent. I think the dreadful Dylan performance forced him to retreat to his sheep farm

Everyone is waiting for you to continue this fawning over Mick's earth shattering performance.

I was in bed, actually, seeing as you care so much. It wasnt broadcast live here and at 3.30 am I wasnt gonna sit up to find a streaming version. I've only seen the footage via you tube clips on my phone.

I thought Jagger did pretty well. Especially as he hadnt performed in so long. I'd have preferred 'Cry To Me' but the song choice was the obvious - and correct - song for the occasion. Not much point overanalysing it - it was a bit of entertainment on a prime time TV show, and it hit the mark.

And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off. I like the Avett Brothers very much and Mumford & Sons are good too. The 'hootenanny' style ensemble was pretty cool. Bob seemed to be miked badly however. Par for the course with these rushed all-star bunfights.



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Where is Gazza's thoughts on this?

he's outsourced his thoughts to me today.

and here they are:
I was in bed, actually, seeing as you care so much. It wasnt broadcast live here and at 3.30 am I wasnt gonna sit up to find a streaming version. I've only seen the footage via you tube clips on my phone.

I thought Jagger did pretty well. Especially as he hadnt performed in so long. I'd have preferred 'Cry To Me' but the song choice was the obvious - and correct - song for the occasion. Not much point overanalysing it - it was a bit of entertainment on a prime time TV show, and it hit the mark.

And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off. I like the Avett Brothers very much and Mumford & Sons are good too. The 'hootenanny' style ensemble was pretty cool. Bob seemed to be miked badly however. Par for the course with these rushed all-star bunfights.

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Where is Gazza's thoughts on this?

he's outsourced his thoughts to me today.

and here they are:
I was in bed, actually, seeing as you care so much. It wasnt broadcast live here and at 3.30 am I wasnt gonna sit up to find a streaming version. I've only seen the footage via you tube clips on my phone.

I thought Jagger did pretty well. Especially as he hadnt performed in so long. I'd have preferred 'Cry To Me' but the song choice was the obvious - and correct - song for the occasion. Not much point overanalysing it - it was a bit of entertainment on a prime time TV show, and it hit the mark.

And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off. I like the Avett Brothers very much and Mumford & Sons are good too. The 'hootenanny' style ensemble was pretty cool. Bob seemed to be miked badly however. Par for the course with these rushed all-star bunfights.

You forgot to edit your post.

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Where is Gazza's thoughts on this?

he's outsourced his thoughts to me today.

and here they are:
I was in bed, actually, seeing as you care so much. It wasnt broadcast live here and at 3.30 am I wasnt gonna sit up to find a streaming version. I've only seen the footage via you tube clips on my phone.

I thought Jagger did pretty well. Especially as he hadnt performed in so long. I'd have preferred 'Cry To Me' but the song choice was the obvious - and correct - song for the occasion. Not much point overanalysing it - it was a bit of entertainment on a prime time TV show, and it hit the mark.

And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off. I like the Avett Brothers very much and Mumford & Sons are good too. The 'hootenanny' style ensemble was pretty cool. Bob seemed to be miked badly however. Par for the course with these rushed all-star bunfights.

You forgot to edit your post.

i did? well, i'm not the editor, i'm just another underpaid beat writer

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And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off.

I guess I don't "get it" either. Please explain.

I thought he sounded terrible. Pretty much so did everyone else on this board. He didn't piss anyone off, his performance was embarassing. I felt bad for him.

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And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off.

I guess I don't "get it" either. Please explain.

I thought he sounded terrible. Pretty much so did everyone else on this board. He didn't piss anyone off, his performance was embarassing. I felt bad for him.

i didn't find it embarrassing at all. sure his voice is shot - been like that for eons now. but he was animated and very into the performance and looked like he was having a ball.

ineedadrink...speaking of porn...Ron Jeremy was the only "star" I saw outside The Staples Center yesterday.

Also...I am wondering who was playing in the band besides Charlie during the segment...Does anyone here know...gonna try to find out.

Greatest ever.

Mick gave an extremely solid performance. I too, would have rather have heard him sing a slow soul tune. But, has anyone commented on his sparring with the guitar player? They seemed to fight for awhile, and then the sideman retreated. Isn't that Mick sending a message to Keith? Something like, "Don't even think of getting into the ring with me, you can't win," Mick is probably right about this. I have real doubts that Keith could perform at the level we saw last night. If this has been talked out already, I'm sorry, I only read a few posts.

I am cynical about the modern day stones, but Jagger was f-ing excellent!

A great performance and a fitting tribute.

So let's see, Ronnie's been out there playing sounding full of life again, Charlie is playing mighty fine, Jagger clearly can still work his magic...

So, what about Keith!?

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. Isn't that Mick sending a message to Keith? Something like, "Don't even think of getting into the ring with me, you can't win,"

win? win what?

mick was sending keith a message last night? oh geez. talk about over analyzing his performance! did you see the way mick pushed the guitar player? he totally wished that was keith! he was getting back at him! give me a break.

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And I enjoyed Bob too - no surprise that mainstream audiences dont 'get it' though. Good for him that he continues to piss them off.

I guess I don't "get it" either. Please explain.

I thought he sounded terrible. Pretty much so did everyone else on this board. He didn't piss anyone off, his performance was embarassing. I felt bad for him.

I dont need to use 'everyone else on this board' as a barometer for whether I enjoy something or not. If you didnt like it, fine - I respect that. But I really don't care. I dont think the likes of Bob Dylan, Tom Waits or people like that (Keith Richards even, if he had been fronting a band) 'fit' into a cosy, mainstream TV awards back-slapping fest which is for the most part merely a couple of rungs up the credibility latter from the likes of American Idol when it comes to showcasing music that has any semblance of integrity.

When they DO play those sort of events, they stick out like a sore thumb. Their own gigs are an entirely different environment.

If their presence there f**ks off the sort of audience who tune in to hear the likes of Barbra Streisand or Lady Gargoyle, then more power to them. I like the fact that he takes chances and reinvents his own songs every time - whether the results are for better or for worse. Its certainly preferable to giving it the same arrangments and phrasing for decades on end. It was fun - it doesnt need to sound like Pavarotti.

The press over the next couple of days wont be concentrating on how good or bad Mick Jagger or Bob Dylan were. The show will be remembered for one thing only -the fact that one of the performers arrived inside an egg. That speaks volumes for what it's been reduced to.

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Mick gave an extremely solid performance. I too, would have rather have heard him sing a slow soul tune. But, has anyone commented on his sparring with the guitar player? They seemed to fight for awhile, and then the sideman retreated. Isn't that Mick sending a message to Keith? Something like, "Don't even think of getting into the ring with me, you can't win," Mick is probably right about this. I have real doubts that Keith could perform at the level we saw last night. If this has been talked out already, I'm sorry, I only read a few posts.

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....his sparring with the guitar player? They seemed to fight for awhile, and then the sideman retreated. Isn't that Mick sending a message to Keith? Something like, "Don't even think of getting into the ring with me, you can't win," Mick is probably right about this. I have real doubts that Keith could perform at the level we saw last night. If this has been talked out already, I'm sorry, I only read a few posts.

since I don't text....this might be the first time I've ever typed these 3 letters.... LOL!


IORR............but I like it!



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I dont need to use 'everyone else on this board' as a barometer for whether I enjoy something or not....

IORR............but I like it!

Mick rocked. Period.

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God I haven't posted on here in ages! Mick put in a good performance! I enjoyed it, he enjoyed it and the audience enjoyed it so why do people need to analyse the crap out of it?!?

Theres bren complaints about his voice but if he went out and sang Nessun Dorma note for note to perfection, someone would complain about him not being true to himself!

I'm working on a theory that everybody on the Internet is negative!

Good show from Mick though!

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Mick rocked. Period.

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God I haven't posted on here in ages! Mick put in a good performance! I enjoyed it, he enjoyed it and the audience enjoyed it so why do people need to analyse the crap out of it?!?

Theres bren complaints about his voice but if he went out and sang Nessun Dorma note for note to perfection, someone would complain about him not being true to himself!

I'm working on a theory that everybody on the Internet is negative!

Good show from Mick though!

man...your negativity is getting me down.

Jagger is Jagger, and always will be. He is a performer,not just a singer.