I watched the performance and I have to say, it's absolutely stunning. I had a feeling I didn't have for a logn time - I watched the clip and felt proud. Silly, I know - but I felt proud. That is "my" Mick Jagger out there making the people smile and dance, performing and moving as if he was 20-30 years younger. Awesome.

and Hugh Hefners jacket.....

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and Hugh Hefners jacket.....

Indeed ! But not his pyjamas though .........

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Turd On The Run
Kind of a mess. Jagger looks fit, but he's still in that mode from Shine A Light, where he mistakes frantic, kinetic movement for intensity of performance. It is as if proving that he is ageless is the point of his performance...and this has become self-parody.

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-5, does that bring us back to even? I saw about thirty seconds of it, which was enough. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Mick's tired histrionics thrown on top of a dull, slick, American Idol-type production. How can you people buy into him still. I just don't get it.

what a thread! just reading through I kinda agree with these very-much-in-the- minority guys in that mick's schtick the last decades has increasingly meant that histrionics and frantic constant movement means 'being mick jagger' and his actual singing takes a very secondary role. the song at the grammys was a no-brainer with 3 lines total. so it allowed him to typically over-emote and flail about and strut his 'mick jagger schtick' without any danger to the song itself, and the bored jaded crowd dug it but I hoped that he would go for something less obvious and do something more challenging and go deeper. did mick want to do homage to burke or to himself doing burke? does mick narcissistically want his audience to constantly marvel at how 'fit' and 'energetic' he is as he runs around maniacally trying to sing and run and cheerlead at the same time, or does he want them to appreciate his growth and depth as an artist and singer and show his appreciation for the great burke by digging deeper? the answer at the grammys was obvious and that means that he is in fantastic shape to tour but if us fans expect anything different at all from the last vegas-style tours we are in for a disappointment.

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Turd On The Run
Kind of a mess. Jagger looks fit, but he's still in that mode from Shine A Light, where he mistakes frantic, kinetic movement for intensity of performance. It is as if proving that he is ageless is the point of his performance...and this has become self-parody.

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-5, does that bring us back to even? I saw about thirty seconds of it, which was enough. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Mick's tired histrionics thrown on top of a dull, slick, American Idol-type production. How can you people buy into him still. I just don't get it.

what a thread! just reading through I kinda agree with these very-much-in-the- minority guys in that mick's schtick the last decades has increasingly meant that histrionics and frantic constant movement means 'being mick jagger' and his actual singing takes a very secondary role. the song at the grammys was a no-brainer with 3 lines total. so it allowed him to typically over-emote and flail about and strut his 'mick jagger schtick' without any danger to the song itself, and the bored jaded crowd dug it but I hoped that he would go for something less obvious and do something more challenging and go deeper. did mick want to do homage to burke or to himself doing burke? does mick narcissistically want his audience to constantly marvel at how 'fit' and 'energetic' he is as he runs around maniacally trying to sing and run and cheerlead at the same time, or does he want them to appreciate his growth and depth as an artist and singer and show his appreciation for the great burke by digging deeper? the answer at the grammys was obvious and that means that he is in fantastic shape to tour but if us fans expect anything different at all from the last vegas-style tours we are in for a disappointment.

Well, After that performance I don't think we'll be hearing the Geritol and Dinosaours jokes for a while.

Great Band.
And big... looks like around 14 pieces (+ Mick)

1 Keyboard
1 Percussion
3 background vocalists
3 saxes
1 trumpet
2 Rhythm guitars
1 Bass
1 Drums
1 Lead guitar



Sorry... What's the name of the bandleader / guitarist?

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and Hugh Hefners jacket.....

The return of the labia lips!?

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Great Band.
And big... looks like around 14 pieces (+ Mick)

1 Keyboard
1 Percussion
3 background vocalists
3 saxes
1 trumpet
2 Rhythm guitars
1 Bass
1 Drums
1 Lead guitar



Sorry... What's the name of the bandleader / guitarist?

Raphael Saadiq....and 14 pcs.is about the size of the Stones touring band isn't it?

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schillid
Great Band.
And big... looks like around 14 pieces (+ Mick)

1 Keyboard
1 Percussion
3 background vocalists
3 saxes
1 trumpet
2 Rhythm guitars
1 Bass
1 Drums
1 Lead guitar

....and 14 pcs.is about the size of the Stones touring band isn't it?

Almost. Big budget for the Hollywood crowd though.

With the Stones, Mick economizes...
One backing vocalists plays one of the rhythm guitars, another the percussion,
the horns are limited to around 2.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-02-15 18:19 by schillid.

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Turd On The Run
Kind of a mess. Jagger looks fit, but he's still in that mode from Shine A Light, where he mistakes frantic, kinetic movement for intensity of performance. It is as if proving that he is ageless is the point of his performance...and this has become self-parody.

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bustedtrousers
-5, does that bring us back to even? I saw about thirty seconds of it, which was enough. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Mick's tired histrionics thrown on top of a dull, slick, American Idol-type production. How can you people buy into him still. I just don't get it.

what a thread! just reading through I kinda agree with these very-much-in-the- minority guys in that mick's schtick the last decades has increasingly meant that histrionics and frantic constant movement means 'being mick jagger' and his actual singing takes a very secondary role. the song at the grammys was a no-brainer with 3 lines total. so it allowed him to typically over-emote and flail about and strut his 'mick jagger schtick' without any danger to the song itself, and the bored jaded crowd dug it but I hoped that he would go for something less obvious and do something more challenging and go deeper. did mick want to do homage to burke or to himself doing burke? does mick narcissistically want his audience to constantly marvel at how 'fit' and 'energetic' he is as he runs around maniacally trying to sing and run and cheerlead at the same time, or does he want them to appreciate his growth and depth as an artist and singer and show his appreciation for the great burke by digging deeper? the answer at the grammys was obvious and that means that he is in fantastic shape to tour but if us fans expect anything different at all from the last vegas-style tours we are in for a disappointment.

spot-on post. i also thought it wasn't much of a tribute to solomon in that sense. reaaaaaallly was hoping it would be "if you need me," sung with conviction...the way burke himself used to do....

if this type of hyper-analyzing is going to occur after each concert of their supposed tour, then man oh man, there will be plenty of threads on this board that i won't be opening.

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if this type of hyper-analyzing is going to occur after each concert of their supposed tour, then man oh man, there will be plenty of threads on this board that i won't be opening.

not just each concert, but each song.

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ineedadrink
if this type of hyper-analyzing is going to occur after each concert of their supposed tour, then man oh man, there will be plenty of threads on this board that i won't be opening.

no THAT is a spot on post!

Word To Your Mother Baby...

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schillid
Great Band.
And big... looks like around 14 pieces (+ Mick)

1 Keyboard
1 Percussion
3 background vocalists
3 saxes
1 trumpet
2 Rhythm guitars
1 Bass
1 Drums
1 Lead guitar

....and 14 pcs.is about the size of the Stones touring band isn't it?

Almost. Big budget for the Hollywood crowd though.

With the Stones, Mick economizes...
One backing vocalists plays one of the rhythm guitars, another the percussion,
the horns are limited to around 2.

4 on horns, where one of them plays a bit on keyboard. 13 total inclusive Mick.

Yes!!!!
Saw her two years ago over here at the Canarias Jazz Festival and was the best one at that edition, congratulations!!!

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BTW I never heard of Esperanza Spalding

You and another 6.5 BILLION world citizens....

Um, I've heard of her. She's immensely talented.

Thank you to ineedadrink and StonesTod

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ineedadrink
if this type of hyper-analyzing is going to occur after each concert of their supposed tour, then man oh man, there will be plenty of threads on this board that i won't be opening.

You haven't lived until you setlist watch and people anaylyze a show simply from what's been played without hearing it.

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what a thread! just reading through I kinda agree with these very-much-in-the- minority guys in that mick's schtick the last decades has increasingly meant that histrionics and frantic constant movement means 'being mick jagger' and his actual singing takes a very secondary role. the song at the grammys was a no-brainer with 3 lines total. so it allowed him to typically over-emote and flail about and strut his 'mick jagger schtick' without any danger to the song itself, and the bored jaded crowd dug it but I hoped that he would go for something less obvious and do something more challenging and go deeper. did mick want to do homage to burke or to himself doing burke? does mick narcissistically want his audience to constantly marvel at how 'fit' and 'energetic' he is as he runs around maniacally trying to sing and run and cheerlead at the same time, or does he want them to appreciate his growth and depth as an artist and singer and show his appreciation for the great burke by digging deeper? the answer at the grammys was obvious and that means that he is in fantastic shape to tour but if us fans expect anything different at all from the last vegas-style tours we are in for a disappointment.

Excellent! My initial reaction was satisfaction that he got the crowd going and seemed to be having fun...but this is too easy for him, shaking his ass, pointing his finger, running up and down, playing with the guitarist etc...
I was also hoping he would just tear up a ballad.....
I want Jagger to dig deeper as well, Maybe that's too much to ask for a Grammy show, I get that - but I want more Plundered My Souls.....
That was more exciting to me than SUnday's performance.

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Word To Your Mother Baby...

thats funny

I just watched it.
It was @#$%& brilliant.

I assume I am just another post in a long line of posts that loved it.

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Turd On The Run
Kind of a mess. Jagger looks fit, but he's still in that mode from Shine A Light, where he mistakes frantic, kinetic movement for intensity of performance. It is as if proving that he is ageless is the point of his performance...and this has become self-parody.

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bustedtrousers
-5, does that bring us back to even? I saw about thirty seconds of it, which was enough. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Mick's tired histrionics thrown on top of a dull, slick, American Idol-type production. How can you people buy into him still. I just don't get it.

what a thread! just reading through I kinda agree with these very-much-in-the- minority guys in that mick's schtick the last decades has increasingly meant that histrionics and frantic constant movement means 'being mick jagger' and his actual singing takes a very secondary role. the song at the grammys was a no-brainer with 3 lines total. so it allowed him to typically over-emote and flail about and strut his 'mick jagger schtick' without any danger to the song itself, and the bored jaded crowd dug it but I hoped that he would go for something less obvious and do something more challenging and go deeper. did mick want to do homage to burke or to himself doing burke? does mick narcissistically want his audience to constantly marvel at how 'fit' and 'energetic' he is as he runs around maniacally trying to sing and run and cheerlead at the same time, or does he want them to appreciate his growth and depth as an artist and singer and show his appreciation for the great burke by digging deeper? the answer at the grammys was obvious and that means that he is in fantastic shape to tour but if us fans expect anything different at all from the last vegas-style tours we are in for a disappointment.

spot-on post. i also thought it wasn't much of a tribute to solomon in that sense. reaaaaaallly was hoping it would be "if you need me," sung with conviction...the way burke himself used to do....

Me too, but then I suspect we'd be reading criticism (particularly from the press) that Jagger can't run around like he used to...

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The performance is pure Jagger, he's pretty much doing what he's always done. I thought it was great, it was him being the Mick Jagger the world has always known, and doing what Mick Jagger does best. I imagine the good reverend would be looking down fondly and nodding his head with 100 percent approval. Ten out of ten Sir Mick.

+1

I Agree Beast +1 from you, +1 from Paul, +1 from me...., so so far we have +5 !!! (so let's round up even more !!! ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT !!) ") (the Math Genius)

-5, does that bring us back to even? I saw about thirty seconds of it, which was enough. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Mick's tired histrionics thrown on top of a dull, slick, American Idol-type production.

How can you people buy into him still. I just don't get it.

How can you people buy into him still. I just don't get it

Because he still delivers. Don't worry about not getting it, just leave it to those of us that do. It would seem there's still a few of us lurking here n' thar !!

Loadsa thangs I 'don't get' ... jazz, jazz fusion, rap, the Sex Pistols, how the f**k Queen Elton and Lady Furnish have ended up with a baby ... ?? Each to theirs I guess ??

Fair enough, pauly. But what frustrates me is that I use to get him. I use to think Mick was great, and still had something relevant to say in his performances. That he, and the Stones, were still the standard-bearers. Now I don't. And when I read all these raves, after seeing what I saw as nothing better than what you see on American Idol, I have to say something.

I watched the Dylan clip, and that I did get. I've never been a huge Dylan fan, but I enjoyed what he did way more than Jagger. No awards show performance is ever really that great. They can't be, it's a few minutes thrown in with a bunch of other stuff, all of which have little to do with each other. But I got Dylan, because he came out and just did his song. Without having to resort to running around like a retard, in a way that's no longer suits him.

The sloppy transition from the Avett Brothers, to Dylan just standing there, barely able to even sing, with all those musician's behind him, was ten times more exciting to me, than Jagger's slick, soulless, spastic attempt to try and be what he still thinks "Mick Jagger" should be.

flip-cam in the dressing room ... practicing the cloak manoeuvre...

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flip-cam in the dressing room ... practicing the cloak manoeuvre...

I like how he practiced this, but not too much. There's a fine balance with the Stones between showmanship and professionalism (discussed on another thread here) and give-a-@#$%& amateurism. mick at his best has raw movements but still a studied sense of theater.

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if this type of hyper-analyzing is going to occur after each concert of their supposed tour, then man oh man, there will be plenty of threads on this board that i won't be opening.

Then be prepared to take a long break, because this is nothing compared to a Stones tour.

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I think everybody just got poster-ized

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Well, After that performance I don't think we'll be hearing the Geritol and Dinosaours jokes for a while.

Amen to that!

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