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Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: Ringo ()
Date: February 16, 2011 04:40

People who don't like Hold Back, simply haven't understood it, just like there is lots of music I can't appreciate because I don't understand what it gives (perhaps that's a general rule - if you don't like a song that someone else likes, that other person simply has understood it, you haven't).

I've always loved the song, considered it to be one of their best since the 70s. And I especially love Mick's vocals! The point is the desperation, the frenetic restlessness, the fxxx attitude of it all!

(People complain about Charlie's drums. I think Bill Wyman has said that The Stones themselves didn't care much for the song, but included it on DW because Charlie found a new way to do the drums. Thanks, Charlie!)

Anyway, here's the beauty:




Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: December 23, 2020 14:14

I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: harlem shuffle ()
Date: December 23, 2020 17:18

This album is so bad,i was thinking it was something wrong with my long player

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: JordyLicks96 ()
Date: December 23, 2020 18:04

One of my favs from DIRTY WORK. Jagger's most aggressive vocals.

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: Midnight Toker ()
Date: December 24, 2020 01:26

Love the tune and the lyrics are GREAT!

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: December 24, 2020 01:37

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JordyLicks96
One of my favs from DIRTY WORK. Jagger's most aggressive vocals.

thumbs up

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 24, 2020 02:34

Love Micks frantic shove of the whole thing ....
and Charlie's rock bottom SLAMS like a nail-gun on nitro ... BANG!!!



ROCKMAN

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 24, 2020 04:11

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KRiffhard
I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Yes.

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 24, 2020 04:11

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harlem shuffle
This album is so bad,i was thinking it was something wrong with my long player

OMFG. He speaks sense!

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: December 24, 2020 08:26

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GasLightStreet
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KRiffhard
I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Yes.

A serious crime.

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: fela ()
Date: December 24, 2020 10:24

permanently lowering Dirty Work lp is snobbery

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: December 24, 2020 18:01

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retired_dog
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GasLightStreet
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KRiffhard
I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Yes.

A serious crime.

>grinning smiley<

Fortunately i don't like 'Winning Ugly'...it would have been really sad!!!

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 24, 2020 18:11

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KRiffhard
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retired_dog
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GasLightStreet
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KRiffhard
I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Yes.

A serious crime.

>grinning smiley<

Fortunately i don't like 'Winning Ugly'...it would have been really sad!!!

Indeed - that would call for a lifetime banning from listening to the Stones!

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 24, 2020 18:31

This track doesn't even deserve B-side status it's so bad - except from 3:00 onward - the ending is good. The ending is the best produced part of the song.

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: December 24, 2020 18:31

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GasLightStreet
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KRiffhard
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retired_dog
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GasLightStreet
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KRiffhard
I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Yes.

A serious crime.

>grinning smiley<

Fortunately i don't like 'Winning Ugly'...it would have been really sad!!!

Indeed - that would call for a lifetime banning from listening to the Stones!

>grinning smiley<

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: December 24, 2020 23:44

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GasLightStreet
This track doesn't even deserve B-side status it's so bad - except from 3:00 onward - the ending is good. The ending is the best produced part of the song.

The entire thing is not good, I don't even like the ending. It's hard to listen to this one...

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 25, 2020 02:08

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LeonidP
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GasLightStreet
This track doesn't even deserve B-side status it's so bad - except from 3:00 onward - the ending is good. The ending is the best produced part of the song.

The entire thing is not good, I don't even like the ending. It's hard to listen to this one...

Well hell I guess that means I'm a little more tolerant than you? LOL! I never said I listen to it, but I did to hear if there was anything good at all about it, which I remembered somehow, which I think is the outro. But it's not something I will listen to in any kind of normal way.

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: MileHigh ()
Date: December 25, 2020 02:34

I listened to it on YouTube and retained nothing. Literally five minutes after listening to it all that I could remember about it was Mick's rough barking for singing. I can't remember a single tangible thing about the song.

What were they on when they thought that was a track to put on an album?

That record really is in the Phantom Zone for me personally. It just doesn't exist for me.

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: December 25, 2020 12:35

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KRiffhard
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retired_dog
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GasLightStreet
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KRiffhard
I don't know why i like so much this song.
Is it a crime?!!! smiling bouncing smiley

Yes.

A serious crime.

>grinning smiley<

Fortunately i don't like 'Winning Ugly'...it would have been really sad!!!

There is a lot of things wrong with "Winning Ugly": the production mainly, the slicky sound of the bass, the arrangements, etc... but it is actually a song, with a good melody, chords, structure, bridge and even groove and as such it has the potential to be a good song, if played differently and produced differently. Maybe someday, a band will stand up and take up the challenge and do a kick-ass version of it.
"Hold Back" on the other hand is not a song. It's just a bloody, screaming mess. Its only redeeming aspect is that it's slighly less terrible than "Back To Zero".

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: December 25, 2020 17:28

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MileHigh
I listened to it on YouTube and retained nothing. Literally five minutes after listening to it all that I could remember about it was Mick's rough barking for singing. I can't remember a single tangible thing about the song.

What were they on when they thought that was a track to put on an album?

That record really is in the Phantom Zone for me personally. It just doesn't exist for me.

Yeah, same for me. Even the okay One Hit doesn't do much for me, though at least I can listen to it. I do love the much hated Too Rude though, but can see why others don't like it I guess.

There's no question it was a "going through the motions" release. Not a bad ratio though -- 1 dud in their catalog!

Re: Track Talk: Hold Back
Posted by: stillife ()
Date: December 25, 2020 22:12

Better than You got me rocking.

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