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Taylor1
Why do the original credits for Brown Sugar,which came with the album Sticky Fingers in1971,sayTaylor played guitar on BrownnSugar?
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It's always been amongst my favorite Keithless Stones tunes.
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
Because all the three guitars are Keith.
Taylor's lead guitar didn't make the record. Keith added a second electric (in addition to the open G guitar which plays the riff/main rhythm) and Bobby got the solo. Keith has stated numerous that he played the acoustic.
It's a wrong credit.
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We got Dandeeeeeee .....
We dont need no stinkin' source ......
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
Because all the three guitars are Keith.
Taylor's lead guitar didn't make the record. Keith added a second electric (in addition to the open G guitar which plays the riff/main rhythm) and Bobby got the solo. Keith has stated numerous that he played the acoustic.
It's a wrong credit.
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
Because all the three guitars are Keith.
Taylor's lead guitar didn't make the record. Keith added a second electric (in addition to the open G guitar which plays the riff/main rhythm) and Bobby got the solo. Keith has stated numerous that he played the acoustic.
It's a wrong credit.
I’m not so quick to assume there are only three guitar parts. The electrics could be cobbled together. This was not a one take wonder, they worked on it for quite some time.
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Taylor1
I find it hard to believe that the credits for who played on Brown Sugar which came with the album are inaccurate. Maybe if it was a reissue many years later, but not in 1971. The album credits Ry Cooder oSister Morphine and says Keith is not playing guitar on Sway or Moonloght Mile.So if they are omitting Keith on those tracks, why would they not omit Taylor on Brown Sugar?
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exilestones
Kimsey is saying the track was laid down without him and then he overdubbed piano. No conflict. Re-read the statements.
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Song Facts Says:
Along with "Neighbors," this was one of two songs on Tattoo You recorded specifically for the album. The other tracks started as outtakes for other albums.
Keith Richards doesn't play on this track; their bass player Bill Wyman played guitar and also synthesizer and bass. Mick Jagger also played guitar on the track, and the only other performer was Charlie Watts on drums.
[www.songfacts.com]
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Kimsey is saying the track was laid down without him and then he overdubbed piano. No conflict. Re-read the statements.
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Song Facts Says:
Along with "Neighbors," this was one of two songs on Tattoo You recorded specifically for the album. The other tracks started as outtakes for other albums.
Keith Richards doesn't play on this track; their bass player Bill Wyman played guitar and also synthesizer and bass. Mick Jagger also played guitar on the track, and the only other performer was Charlie Watts on drums.
[www.songfacts.com]
Was Heaven and Neighbors new songs for Tattoo You or were they left-overs too?
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DandelionPowderman
No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
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No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
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No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
You sure Dandy?.................according to Martin Elliott's book "Complete recording sessions" there were sessions in Paris: EMI Pathe Marconi and NYC - Electric lady - Atlantic studio between 11 Oct 1980 - 12 Nov 1980 and April - June 1981.......where Heaven was started (while waiting for Keith) and finished as was Neighbours......
Again, according to Martin Elliott's book all the other earlier stuff was also finished and/or remixed at these sessions......
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exilestones
Kimsey is saying the track was laid down without him and then he overdubbed piano. No conflict. Re-read the statements.
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Song Facts Says:
Along with "Neighbors," this was one of two songs on Tattoo You recorded specifically for the album. The other tracks started as outtakes for other albums.
Keith Richards doesn't play on this track; their bass player Bill Wyman played guitar and also synthesizer and bass. Mick Jagger also played guitar on the track, and the only other performer was Charlie Watts on drums.
[www.songfacts.com]
Was Heaven and Neighbors new songs for Tattoo You or were they left-overs too?
No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
Because all the three guitars are Keith.
Taylor's lead guitar didn't make the record. Keith added a second electric (in addition to the open G guitar which plays the riff/main rhythm) and Bobby got the solo. Keith has stated numerous that he played the acoustic.
It's a wrong credit.
I’m not so quick to assume there are only three guitar parts. The electrics could be cobbled together. This was not a one take wonder, they worked on it for quite some time.
Quick? It's been 49 years!
Cobbled together, where? And how?
As for how they could credit wrongly, it wouldn't be the first time. Look at Exile
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DandelionPowderman
No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
You sure Dandy?.................according to Martin Elliott's book "Complete recording sessions" there were sessions in Paris: EMI Pathe Marconi and NYC - Electric lady - Atlantic studio between 11 Oct 1980 - 12 Nov 1980 and April - June 1981.......where Heaven was started (while waiting for Keith) and finished as was Neighbours......
Again, according to Martin Elliott's book all the other earlier stuff was also finished and/or remixed at these sessions......
The Stones have said many times over the years that nothing new was recorded for TATTOO YOU.
Chris Kimsey:
"Since I'd recorded a number of songs during Some Girls and Emotional Rescue that they'd never used, I assumed there must be other bits and pieces lying around," he explains. "So, I spent a couple of months going through all their tapes and I found these gems: 'Waiting On A Friend' and 'Tops' were from the Goat's Head Soup sessions; 'Slave' and 'Worried About You' were from Black & Blue; 'Start Me Up' was from Some Girls; and 'Hang Fire', 'Little T&A', 'Black Limousine', 'Neighbors', 'Heaven' and 'No Use In Crying' were from Emotional Rescue. I did rough mixes at Olympic of everything I'd found, sent them to the band members, and then began working on the tracks.
[www.soundonsound.com]
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
Because all the three guitars are Keith.
Taylor's lead guitar didn't make the record. Keith added a second electric (in addition to the open G guitar which plays the riff/main rhythm) and Bobby got the solo. Keith has stated numerous that he played the acoustic.
It's a wrong credit.
I’m not so quick to assume there are only three guitar parts. The electrics could be cobbled together. This was not a one take wonder, they worked on it for quite some time.
Quick? It's been 49 years!
Cobbled together, where? And how?
As for how they could credit wrongly, it wouldn't be the first time. Look at Exile
Brown Sugar was tracked December 3rd and 4th, 1969 in Florence, AL.
12-9 through 12-18 they worked on it in London.
In 4-24-1970 they finished it in London.
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DandelionPowderman
No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
You sure Dandy?.................according to Martin Elliott's book "Complete recording sessions" there were sessions in Paris: EMI Pathe Marconi and NYC - Electric lady - Atlantic studio between 11 Oct 1980 - 12 Nov 1980 and April - June 1981.......where Heaven was started (while waiting for Keith) and finished as was Neighbours......
Again, according to Martin Elliott's book all the other earlier stuff was also finished and/or remixed at these sessions......
The Stones have said many times over the years that nothing new was recorded for TATTOO YOU.
Chris Kimsey:
"Since I'd recorded a number of songs during Some Girls and Emotional Rescue that they'd never used, I assumed there must be other bits and pieces lying around," he explains. "So, I spent a couple of months going through all their tapes and I found these gems: 'Waiting On A Friend' and 'Tops' were from the Goat's Head Soup sessions; 'Slave' and 'Worried About You' were from Black & Blue; 'Start Me Up' was from Some Girls; and 'Hang Fire', 'Little T&A', 'Black Limousine', 'Neighbors', 'Heaven' and 'No Use In Crying' were from Emotional Rescue. I did rough mixes at Olympic of everything I'd found, sent them to the band members, and then began working on the tracks.
[www.soundonsound.com]
Interesting contradiction.
Martin Elliott says "The band did get back together in October with Chris Kimsey at the helm, Mick was playing some guitar chords which Chris accompanied on the piano. the other early arrivers, Charlie and Bill continued to work on the track. Bill, not only was on bass but also synthesiser. Before they knew it, the track, enhanced by studio techniques and of Chris Kimsey and Co. began to feel good".
Also, Zico Zentgraf's first mention of Heaven is 11th Oct. 1980............ [www.nzentgraf.de]
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Stoneage
So,....HMS was right after all. Tattoo You is a compilation of seventies leftovers...
Did people ever debate that?
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DandelionPowderman
No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
You sure Dandy?.................according to Martin Elliott's book "Complete recording sessions" there were sessions in Paris: EMI Pathe Marconi and NYC - Electric lady - Atlantic studio between 11 Oct 1980 - 12 Nov 1980 and April - June 1981.......where Heaven was started (while waiting for Keith) and finished as was Neighbours......
Again, according to Martin Elliott's book all the other earlier stuff was also finished and/or remixed at these sessions......
The Stones have said many times over the years that nothing new was recorded for TATTOO YOU.
Chris Kimsey:
"Since I'd recorded a number of songs during Some Girls and Emotional Rescue that they'd never used, I assumed there must be other bits and pieces lying around," he explains. "So, I spent a couple of months going through all their tapes and I found these gems: 'Waiting On A Friend' and 'Tops' were from the Goat's Head Soup sessions; 'Slave' and 'Worried About You' were from Black & Blue; 'Start Me Up' was from Some Girls; and 'Hang Fire', 'Little T&A', 'Black Limousine', 'Neighbors', 'Heaven' and 'No Use In Crying' were from Emotional Rescue. I did rough mixes at Olympic of everything I'd found, sent them to the band members, and then began working on the tracks.
[www.soundonsound.com]
Interesting contradiction.
Martin Elliott says "The band did get back together in October with Chris Kimsey at the helm, Mick was playing some guitar chords which Chris accompanied on the piano. the other early arrivers, Charlie and Bill continued to work on the track. Bill, not only was on bass but also synthesiser. Before they knew it, the track, enhanced by studio techniques and of Chris Kimsey and Co. began to feel good".
Also, Zico Zentgraf's first mention of Heaven is 11th Oct. 1980............ [www.nzentgraf.de]
Nope. It's not really a contradiction, the Martin Elliott stuff, just wrong information.
1979 EMOTTIONAL RESCUE sessions.
790621A 10th June - 7th July & late July - 25th August & 12th September - 19th October:
Boulogne-Billancourt (near Paris), France, Pathé Marconi Studios. Producers:
The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey. Additional musicians:
Bobby Keys (sax)/Sugar Blue (harm)/Martin Gordon (bass; two days in
September)/Boz Scaggs (voc, gtr)
- Hang Fire VI (MJ/KR) -with piano added on version V
- Heaven I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- Neighbours I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
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SomeGuy
Why would Mick Taylor not be playing on Brown Sugar? I don't know which part though, I assumed it was the acoustic guitar maybe. Both Zentgraf and Keno list him as playing on the Sticky Fingers version.
Because all the three guitars are Keith.
Taylor's lead guitar didn't make the record. Keith added a second electric (in addition to the open G guitar which plays the riff/main rhythm) and Bobby got the solo. Keith has stated numerous that he played the acoustic.
It's a wrong credit.
I’m not so quick to assume there are only three guitar parts. The electrics could be cobbled together. This was not a one take wonder, they worked on it for quite some time.
Quick? It's been 49 years!
Cobbled together, where? And how?
As for how they could credit wrongly, it wouldn't be the first time. Look at Exile
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DandelionPowderman
No band sessions in 1980 or 1981. Both are from the ER sessions.
You sure Dandy?.................according to Martin Elliott's book "Complete recording sessions" there were sessions in Paris: EMI Pathe Marconi and NYC - Electric lady - Atlantic studio between 11 Oct 1980 - 12 Nov 1980 and April - June 1981.......where Heaven was started (while waiting for Keith) and finished as was Neighbours......
Again, according to Martin Elliott's book all the other earlier stuff was also finished and/or remixed at these sessions......
The Stones have said many times over the years that nothing new was recorded for TATTOO YOU.
Chris Kimsey:
"Since I'd recorded a number of songs during Some Girls and Emotional Rescue that they'd never used, I assumed there must be other bits and pieces lying around," he explains. "So, I spent a couple of months going through all their tapes and I found these gems: 'Waiting On A Friend' and 'Tops' were from the Goat's Head Soup sessions; 'Slave' and 'Worried About You' were from Black & Blue; 'Start Me Up' was from Some Girls; and 'Hang Fire', 'Little T&A', 'Black Limousine', 'Neighbors', 'Heaven' and 'No Use In Crying' were from Emotional Rescue. I did rough mixes at Olympic of everything I'd found, sent them to the band members, and then began working on the tracks.
[www.soundonsound.com]
Interesting contradiction.
Martin Elliott says "The band did get back together in October with Chris Kimsey at the helm, Mick was playing some guitar chords which Chris accompanied on the piano. the other early arrivers, Charlie and Bill continued to work on the track. Bill, not only was on bass but also synthesiser. Before they knew it, the track, enhanced by studio techniques and of Chris Kimsey and Co. began to feel good".
Also, Zico Zentgraf's first mention of Heaven is 11th Oct. 1980............ [www.nzentgraf.de]
Nope. It's not really a contradiction, the Martin Elliott stuff, just wrong information.
1979 EMOTTIONAL RESCUE sessions.
790621A 10th June - 7th July & late July - 25th August & 12th September - 19th October:
Boulogne-Billancourt (near Paris), France, Pathé Marconi Studios. Producers:
The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey. Additional musicians:
Bobby Keys (sax)/Sugar Blue (harm)/Martin Gordon (bass; two days in
September)/Boz Scaggs (voc, gtr)
- Hang Fire VI (MJ/KR) -with piano added on version V
- Heaven I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- Neighbours I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
Hmmm....well, being as pedantic as I know you can be, yours was a contraction of what Martin Elliott wrote - Martin Elliott wrote that Heaven was written for Tattoo You, you asserted the opposite, that is wasn't - the fact Martin Elliott's statement is looking like it is inaccurate is irrelevant, the fact is, you did contradict it. (So, it was a contradiction)
Strange though, I did search Heaven on Zentgraf's site and couldn't find Heaven I........(thanks for the direction........
Hope you weren't too offended or outraged by my contribution even though it was seemingly wrong..............
Anyone know where Nico Zentgraf gets his info?.............
(I don't know where Martin Elliott gets his.......
My main statement however, to Dandy, was accurate if Zentgraf is to relied on, there were sessions in 1980 and 1981 - albeit not full band sessions...
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My main statement however, to Dandy, was accurate if Zentgraf is to relied on, there were sessions in 1980 and 1981 - albeit not full band sessions...