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Nonsense, this had nothing to do with a first pressing. The zippers were made all through the seventies. The point is to get a original first pressing from 1971 or a later pressing from 1977...
Thanks. Interresting. I think I read somewhere that the UK pressings were CUN 59100 while the US and German and Holland pressings were COC 59100?
3rd and 4th stamper, probably...someone who is an expert in these things could maybe sort this out for us?
And can´t the COC be mistaken for 000? (it looks similar when being so small)
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Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
RobberBride
()
Date: December 13, 2010 13:01
A dealer I know has (what he says are) first pressings of SF and GHS for sale.
The matrix numbers are as follows:
STICKY FINGERS
SIDE 1 - 000-59100-A3
SIDE 2- 000-59100-B3
GOATS HEAD SOUP
SIDE 1 - 000-59101 -A2
SIDE 2 - 000-59101 -B1
I have a pretty decent eye for the decca releases (Thanks JanRichards) but these EMI years matrix numbers I don ´t know that much about. Are these two first pressings?
Thanks!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-13 14:50 by RobberBride.
The matrix numbers are as follows:
STICKY FINGERS
SIDE 1 - 000-59100-A3
SIDE 2- 000-59100-B3
GOATS HEAD SOUP
SIDE 1 - 000-59101 -A2
SIDE 2 - 000-59101 -B1
I have a pretty decent eye for the decca releases (Thanks JanRichards) but these EMI years matrix numbers I don ´t know that much about. Are these two first pressings?
Thanks!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-13 14:50 by RobberBride.
Re: SF & GHS catalogue /matrix number ?
Posted by:
1963luca0
()
Date: December 13, 2010 14:33
Which country are they supposed to be from?
Re: SF & GHS catalogue /matrix number ?
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: December 13, 2010 14:36
Sticky with a zipper is a first pressing for sure...
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
RobberBride
()
Date: December 13, 2010 14:50
Hmmmm I believe UK releases?
But how do one read the EMI years matrix numbers?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-13 14:53 by RobberBride.
But how do one read the EMI years matrix numbers?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-13 14:53 by RobberBride.
Re: SF & GHS catalogue /matrix number ?
Posted by:
electricmud
()
Date: December 13, 2010 14:51
Quote
Come On
Sticky with a zipper is a first pressing for sure..
Nonsense, this had nothing to do with a first pressing. The zippers were made all through the seventies. The point is to get a original first pressing from 1971 or a later pressing from 1977...
Re: SF & GHS catalogue /matrix number ?
Posted by:
RobberBride
()
Date: December 13, 2010 21:48
No one knows what the 000 or A3- B3 means on SF?
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
NICOS
()
Date: December 13, 2010 21:58
I just checked out my SF pressed in Germany
Purchased in Holland the day of release
STICKY FINGERS
SIDE 1 - 000-59100-A3
SIDE 2- 000-59100-B4
__________________________
Purchased in Holland the day of release
STICKY FINGERS
SIDE 1 - 000-59100-A3
SIDE 2- 000-59100-B4
__________________________
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
RobberBride
()
Date: December 13, 2010 22:19
Quote
NICOS
I just checked out my SF pressed in Germany
Purchased in Holland the day of release
STICKY FINGERS
SIDE 1 - 000-59100-A3
SIDE 2- 000-59100-B4
Thanks. Interresting. I think I read somewhere that the UK pressings were CUN 59100 while the US and German and Holland pressings were COC 59100?
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
satisfaction2
()
Date: December 13, 2010 22:35
Quote
RobberBride
A dealer I know has (what he says are) first pressings of SF and GHS for sale.
The matrix numbers are as follows:
STICKY FINGERS
SIDE 1 - 000-59100-A3
SIDE 2- 000-59100-B3
---------------------------------------------
Weissbuch - Hoffmann
WEA COC 59100 = UK1 or German1 - Yellow RSR label
EMI CUN 59100 = UK2
---------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------
GOATS HEAD SOUP
SIDE 1 - 000-59101 -A2
SIDE 2 - 000-59101 -B1
-----------------------------------------
Weissbuch - Hoffmann
WEA COC 59101 = UK1 or German1 - Yellow RSR label
EMI CUN 59101 = UK2
-------------------------
------------------------
Weissbuch - Hoffmann!!
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
Hillside Blues
()
Date: December 13, 2010 22:38
I have never seen lower matrix than A3/B3 on the UK COC Sticky Fingers. Note that the CUN pressings which came in 1977 did have A1/B1 matrix numbers.
But the OP should be aware of buying it without an play grade. These pressings were not the best quality and may look mint while they could play pretty badly (lots of surface noise). I've heard these German first pressings are better in a way because they used the UK plates but pressed it on much better quality vinyl.
My A3/B3 SF is rather thin pressing. Does anyone have a thick UK pressing of it like the first Exile pressings were? I don't believe they exist but you never know.
But the OP should be aware of buying it without an play grade. These pressings were not the best quality and may look mint while they could play pretty badly (lots of surface noise). I've heard these German first pressings are better in a way because they used the UK plates but pressed it on much better quality vinyl.
My A3/B3 SF is rather thin pressing. Does anyone have a thick UK pressing of it like the first Exile pressings were? I don't believe they exist but you never know.
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
RobberBride
()
Date: December 13, 2010 22:41
Thanks a lot satisfaction2. I´m constantly on the lookout for that book, but have still not been able to obtain a copy, so rare...... thanks!
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: December 14, 2010 13:06
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
rootsman
()
Date: December 14, 2010 15:03
My early UK pressings have these matrix no´s:
Sticky Fingers - COC 59100 A3/B4 (almost sure it´s an original press)
Goat´s Head Soup - COC 59101 A2/B1 (100% sure it´s original)
Both are quite thin pressings and have Rolling Stones Records "handwritten" opposite to the matrix no´s in the run-off groove.
Sticky Fingers have always been my favourite, by the way...>
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Sticky Fingers - COC 59100 A3/B4 (almost sure it´s an original press)
Goat´s Head Soup - COC 59101 A2/B1 (100% sure it´s original)
Both are quite thin pressings and have Rolling Stones Records "handwritten" opposite to the matrix no´s in the run-off groove.
Sticky Fingers have always been my favourite, by the way...>
<Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
RobberBride
()
Date: December 14, 2010 15:51
Thanks Rootsman.
What still confuses me is the A3/B4 thing, which is quite similar to my SF pressing. On the Decca releases it is explanation to the letter/numbering, but on these I have found none, except the obvious, that A3/B4 is the original press but the third and fourth something.
What still confuses me is the A3/B4 thing, which is quite similar to my SF pressing. On the Decca releases it is explanation to the letter/numbering, but on these I have found none, except the obvious, that A3/B4 is the original press but the third and fourth something.
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
rootsman
()
Date: December 14, 2010 16:46
Quote
RobberBride
...A3/B4 is the original press but the third and fourth something.
3rd and 4th stamper, probably...someone who is an expert in these things could maybe sort this out for us?
And can´t the COC be mistaken for 000? (it looks similar when being so small)
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
Jan Richards
()
Date: December 15, 2010 21:19
I had a look on my original GHS LP’s. I have four original pressings and all of them has the same numbers:
SIDE 1 - COC-59101 -A2
SIDE 2 - COC-59101 -B1
In addition to this matrix, there are a few more numbers on the off grove area. If the matrix is at 12 a clock, then the additional number is at 3 a clock.
The numbers are SIDE 1 / SIDE 2:
1/31, 4/38 and two LP’s with 7/9
I have no idea of what they stand for, maybe the mother plate. That is the plate from where they took the stampers to press the LP’s with, but I am not sure. The old Decca numbers are much easier to understand.
By the way, the code is for sure COC and not 000
Jan Richards
[www.stonesondecca.com]
SIDE 1 - COC-59101 -A2
SIDE 2 - COC-59101 -B1
In addition to this matrix, there are a few more numbers on the off grove area. If the matrix is at 12 a clock, then the additional number is at 3 a clock.
The numbers are SIDE 1 / SIDE 2:
1/31, 4/38 and two LP’s with 7/9
I have no idea of what they stand for, maybe the mother plate. That is the plate from where they took the stampers to press the LP’s with, but I am not sure. The old Decca numbers are much easier to understand.
By the way, the code is for sure COC and not 000
Jan Richards
[www.stonesondecca.com]
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
Per-Arne
()
Date: December 17, 2010 20:04
Had a look at my Goat Head Soup LP's.(COC 59101) The one I bought new in Norway the day it came out (31.08.73) has A3/B1. I also have a copy bought new in Norway (but it's not my first copy so I don't know when) has A2/B1. I also got an US with 2 stickers (COC 39106)
Not shure about "the 3 o'clock" maybe 20/25 on the A2/B1 and 2/30 on the A3/B1 (Nearly impossible to see - it's more or less a guess)
Per-Arne
Not shure about "the 3 o'clock" maybe 20/25 on the A2/B1 and 2/30 on the A3/B1 (Nearly impossible to see - it's more or less a guess)
Per-Arne
Re: Are these 1st pressings? SF & GHS matrix numbers
Posted by:
lsbz
()
Date: December 17, 2010 23:40
Just for the record, and because the number deviates a little: I have a Canadian Sticky Fingers with number 59100B-1A on side two. Side one has different numbers that are also on the label.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-17 23:59 by lsbz.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-17 23:59 by lsbz.
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