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Title 5
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)

Olympic Sound Studios, London, UK, February 17, 1967

Keith Richards - electric guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Bill Wyman - bass

Produced by The Rolling Stones

First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “Exile On Main Street” 2CD
(Universal 273 429-5) UK, May 14, 2010

February 17, 1967?

Yep it sounds like a TSMR outtake, I mean a ROTTEN one.

it is bizarre indeed that this wound up on the Exile re-release -
surely someone in the Stones camp recognized it's from way earlier?!
and if not the Stones camp then the ABKCO camp surely should've caught it

but it's a groovy little track that shakes my tailfeather so ... i'll take it!
with thanks & praises

The most confusing thing is the fact that they left off "Scarlett" because it wasn't from the right era apparently (Goats Head Soup Outtake), but they had no problem in releasing this one from 1967. Maybe they've kept Scarlet for a more elaborate outtakes set? One can only hope!

it's so funny that the pre-release articles hyping the reissue all said exactly the same things, just taking their notes from the band's press releases, and none of them have (to my knowledge) have followed up with a story on how this non-Exile track made it onto the album.

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it's so funny that the pre-release articles hyping the reissue all said exactly the same things, just taking their notes from the band's press releases, and none of them have (to my knowledge) have followed up with a story on how this non-Exile track made it onto the album.

Maybe it was on one of the old Olympic tapes? Maybe it was reused in 1969/1970 and this odd track just escaped the re-recording process somehow and remained undeleted... who knows. But then again, they must have been using different tapes by then, than they did in '67...



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Fantastic little number. Sounds like Stones surf music. Don't care when it was recorded, it sounds great.

I agree---Great music ...I Could care less if its 100 years ago!

yeah, it's good so I forgive them and their archivists.
it would be even better with Nicky

I do like it, too!
For 15 years I've been promoting (neo-)rockabilly, psychobilly- & surfgigs, and I must say... the Stones give a swagger to this that really stands its own. And I just love that distinctive 'crashing aeroplane' ending... ><

QUESTION: the line-up says, "Keith Richards, guitar"- but I definitely hear twó guitars playing!? Overdubs might be the answer, but then again... the recording suggests it's a 'one take' live thing!??

I hear more than one guitar, too. As far as Nicky not being on it, well, yeah, that's the first clue it's not an Exile tune.

Surf music from hell. I like it. Could use a hook or a middle eight, though. I love it when Keith´s harmony guitar kicks in.

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gimmelittledrink
I hear more than one guitar, too. As far as Nicky not being on it, well, yeah, that's the first clue it's not an Exile tune.

but he's on Satanic, too.

I don't think it's a Majesties outtake. The fact that (another) Title 5 was recorded in 1967 doesn't prove this. And in 1968 the working title for Jumping Jack Flash seems to have been: Title 5.


www.nzentgraf.de:

670209A 9th - 24th February 1967: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer:
Andrew Oldham or The Rolling Stones. Sound engineer: Glyn Johns.
- Blues 1 (MJ/KR) -11th February, unverified
- Blues 3 (MJ/KR) -16th February
- Dust My Broom (Robert Johnson) -22nd February, unverified
- In Another Land I (BW) -14th February, unverified early version, (under title
Bill’s Tune)
- In Another Land II (BW) -22nd February, unverified early version, (under title Acid
In The Grass)
- Title 5 (MJ/KR) -17th February, unverified
- Title 9 (MJ/KR) -14th February, unverified
- Title 10 (MJ/KR) -14th February, unverified
- Trouble In Mind II (Richard M. Jones) -22nd February, unverified
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want I (MJ/KR) -22nd February, unverified
very early instrumental version
- 2000 Light Years From Home I (MJ/KR) –unverified early version under
title Loose Woman
+ Blues Jam ( ) -22nd February
Note: Blues #1 and Titles #5, 9 & 10 are working titles, either these are
versions of well-known Satanic-songs or abandoned instrumentals.

680317A 17th March - 3rd April 1968: London, Olympic Sound Studios (partially without BJ).
Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Eddie Kramer.
- Child Of The Moon II (MJ/KR) -29th March, unverified acoustic version
- Child Of The Moon III (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ, Rocky
Dijon on percussion; backing track of IV
- Child Of The Moon IV (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ, Jimmy
Miller on backing vocals, Rocky Dijon on percussion; 7“ version
- Jigsaw Puzzle I (MJ/KR) -23rd March, instrumental sessions, takes 1 -14
- Jumping Jack Flash I (MJ/KR) -25th March, unverified early version
(under title Title 5)
- Parachute Woman I (MJ/KR) -25th March, early mix of version II with double
tracked lead vocal
- Stray Cat Blues I (MJ/KR) -3rd April, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Rocky
Dijon on congas; longer version with additional ad lib vocals
- Steet Fighting Man II (MJ/KR) -instrumental version (under title Primo
Grande), re-recorded in the studio to recreate cassette sound, unverified
- Street Fighting Man III (MJ/KR) -31st March, Nicky Hopkins on piano,
Dave Mason on shehani, Rick Grech on electric violin, Jim King and
Roger Chapman on backing vocals; early lyrics (under title Pay Your Dues)

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Monsoon Ragoon
I don't think it's a Majesties outtake. The fact that (another) Title 5 was recorded in 1967 doesn't prove this. And in 1968 the working title for Jumping Jack Flash seems to have been: Title 5.

great, but the hypothesis that it's a Satanic outtake is based on listening to the track, not on reading the logs.

hey Ragoon, there's a very similar track (in sound and composition) on Satanic Sessions.
by the way funny how this is credited to Mick Jagger/Keith Richards ;^)

With Jagger's reluctancy to release anything "unfinished", and with the stated ambition (from Jagger and Don Was) to make the songs on the Exile bonus disc stand on their own as completed works, it's a little puzzling that they released a track like this. If they've lowered the bar this far, they might as well release the rest of the craploads of stuff they got from the last 45+ years.



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"Could use a hook or a middle eight, though."

No no. Surf music has to be as simple as possible. That's it's basic charm.

Great outtake - if it had developed in to a real song, vauw - just shows Stones potential they never used.

Great tune (as it is from the TSMR why wasn't it on the Satanic Sessions outtakes)

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I love it! I'm not convinced it's from 1967, though.

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FreeBird
I love it! I'm not convinced it's from 1967, though.

what makes you think it's not the case?

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Amused
what makes you think it's not the case?

Mick Jagger specifically stated that they didn't include any material from before 1969, and the only evidence people present is Nico Zentgraf's site (even though he himself doesn't make the connection between 1967's Title 5 and the one on Exile) and a similarity they (but not me) hear between the TSMR sessions and Title 5.

Does anyone recognize the announcer? If it's Jimmy Miller then it's not from 1967.

have you heard Title 15 from Satanic Sessions?

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FreeBird

Mick Jagger specifically stated that they didn't include any material from before 1969

as if he would know.

Funny.

While it's almost certainly not from Nellcote, and doesn't have the sprawling, R&B/Gospel sound that we associate with Exile, it is a tasty kernel of the boogie sound of the Stones. I like to imagine it as a tantalizing nod to all the rough jams that Jagger, Was and company steered away from in selecting bonus material for the re-release. Could it be from '68-'69 Olympic sessions? From Stargroves?

I was just watching the Stones In Exile bonus interviews and noticed that Don Was said that, as distinctive as Exile is, his explorations of the archives showed him that the album was connected to the rest of their work, like, he said..."Between The Buttons."

The question becomes: Did they throw a studio fragment from '67 onto the bonus disc to suggest that connection? Or was this a real '69-'72 artifact that, in our confusion, proves the point?

The Stones meet Dick Dale. Whenever this was recorded, it's certainly a change of pace in terms of their sound. I can't for the life of me imagine the Stones becoming a surfer band. A nice little novelty number, nothing more and nothing less.

Drew



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FreeBird
I love it! I'm not convinced it's from 1967, though.

The drum kit and drumming style is that of '66/'67, with open hi-hat and all. The effect on the guitar is the 3-way mid-range boost of a Vox Supreme / Conqueror, not used after ~early 1970. The sound of the bass is that of late '66, early '67.

This clearly is a '67 Olympics outtake.

Mathijs