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Women would be the one's in tears. Most, not all women, are probably there to see Mick and hear the big hits.

Take away the war horses and you will have long lines at the female restroom.

Damn, that was really sexist!! Thank God you said "Most, not all....".Geez.

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Roscoe
My thought about setlists and warhorses has always been this. When playing two or more shows per city, do a "Hits" show and a "Non-Hits" show (or whatever you want to call it). Yes, the Licks Tour did something like this but only in a very few cities. But take it a step further- and this is the key to making it work. When the tour is announced, have Mick explain the concept up front. Let the ticket buyer know that not all shows will be hit-laden. In each city the advertising should clearly designate which night is a "Hits" show and which is a "Non-Hits" show. Print it right on the ticket. As long as you can read, you know what to expect.

And jeez, play 'Out of Control' every damn night already!

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Roscoe
My thought about setlists and warhorses has always been this. When playing two or more shows per city, do a "Hits" show and a "Non-Hits" show (or whatever you want to call it). Yes, the Licks Tour did something like this but only in a very few cities. But take it a step further- and this is the key to making it work. When the tour is announced, have Mick explain the concept up front. Let the ticket buyer know that not all shows will be hit-laden. In each city the advertising should clearly designate which night is a "Hits" show and which is a "Non-Hits" show. Print it right on the ticket. As long as you can read, you know what to expect.

And jeez, play 'Out of Control' every damn night already!

won't work. the publicity around dylan's gospel tour could NOT have been missed, yet i saw and heard plenty of complaints and folks walking out in disgust. loved it.

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Winning Ugly VXII
The Stones have popular songs which are not warhorses. As an example :

1) Play With Fire - not played in concert since very early 1990.

2) Waiting on a Friend - played at only three shows in Europe ( give or take ); never in Japan,Austrailia,South America,Boston etc..

3) Heart of Stone - Only a handful of times in 2002 since the '60's !

4) At least half of Exile on Main Street has never been played live in concert at all ( Soul Survivor,Let it Loose ) or has been played less than a few times here and there ( Torn and Frayed, Ventilator Blues ) - How many times has Rip This Joint been played since 1975 - 35 + years ago ????

That's just for starters. There is even more milage left in the nostalgia route,if the theme of the last decade continues,WITHOUT becoming overly repetitive.

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Winning Ugly VXII
The Stones have popular songs which are not warhorses. As an example :

1) Play With Fire - not played in concert since very early 1990.

2) Waiting on a Friend - played at only three shows in Europe ( give or take ); never in Japan,Austrailia,South America,Boston etc..

3) Heart of Stone - Only a handful of times in 2002 since the '60's !

4) At least half of Exile on Main Street has never been played live in concert at all ( Soul Survivor,Let it Loose ) or has been played less than a few times here and there ( Torn and Frayed, Ventilator Blues ) - How many times has Rip This Joint been played since 1975 - 35 + years ago ????

That's just for starters. There is even more milage left in the nostalgia route,if the theme of the last decade continues,WITHOUT becoming overly repetitive.

Good point, on the well-known songs.

No warhorses would be the best. A few warhorses might be the best hope we have.
The would sound so much better in context of the rarities or little-played tunes.

Rather than trying to compare men and women, a better contrast might be between the hard core fans
(such as here) to the m0re casual fans...the bulk of the usual crowd, perhaps.

I agree too that even if Mick and the band wanted to drop most of the warhorses, a longer pre-tour
rehearsal time is required. Many of us would very much appreciate that.

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No, no, no it will NOT be a flop at all. A Bigger Bang for example reached nr 1 on the world album Charts and it was that album that made people come along, If during that tour they would only have played those songs, it would have of course been a great succes. This is the Rolling Stones and as long as they give a good show every one will enjoy it, after all a Bigger Bang was really a very good album. No, a next tour again with the same old songs is more in threat of becoming a flop than a tour with new songs!!!

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No, no, no it will NOT be a flop at all. A Bigger Bang for example reached nr 1 on the world album Charts and it was that album that made people come along, If during that tour they would only have played those songs, it would have of course been a great succes. This is the Rolling Stones and as long as they give a good show every one will enjoy it, after all a Bigger Bang was really a very good album. No, a next tour again with the same old songs is more in threat of becoming a flop than a tour with new songs!!!

Really? People came out to see them last time because of A Bigger Bang?? Not sure if you're being facetious, but for the average concertgoer, I highly doubt that was the case.

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its good to be anywhere
Jah Paul said: "Sorry to say, but we're not talkin' the E Street Band here"

No, thankfully the f*ck not.

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Maybe we should give Mick more credit for his choices, afterall it's him who's up there and have to sing the songs and maybe more importantly, he can feel the energy from the audience when playing warhorses vs. a new song.

In interviews he's talked about giving the audience the best possible experience every time and he knows/feels the difference between different songs.

If you take the last 5 tours and on average compare to other big artist, I'm pretty sure The Stones are on the top 10% of who's changing their set lists the most.

Having said that, I think the idea situation is for Mick and Chuck to take turn picking one song at the time for each nights set list! And maybe Mick can get two veto's and that's it! :-)

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I remember Stockholm 1998 (indoors at Globen). The songs that worked best were from Bridges over Babylon. Mick was on fire during "Out of control" and the audience could never stop singing the chorus of "Saint of me" after the song had stopped. Mick and Keith were just smiling happily.

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Jah Paul said: "Sorry to say, but we're not talkin' the E Street Band here"

No, thankfully the f*ck not.

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A few years ago Iron Maiden released the 'A Matter of Life and Death' LP, hailed in numerous rock publications to be one of the finer records in the cannon. the following tour saw them play the entire record live, followed by a few of their classics as encores.

The response I seem to remember was very mixed. Of course hard core maiden fans loved it, a chance to see the band minus the same old songs. I thought it was a great idea and helped keep the band fresh live. the following year they toured the 'Somewhere Back in Time' concept which was a tour specifically designed around the 'Live after death era, all classics all night.

Right now Maiden have released the 'Final Frontier' LP, and the new tour consists primarily of songs recorded since 2000 onwards.

For me, as a live act, Maiden are an inspiration for other bands, never resting on their laurels, always challenging both themselves and the audience. This has paid off, with them achieving a level of success that even exceeds their 80's prime, No.1 albums, sell-out tours, critical lauding etc. Like ‘em or loathe ‘em, you have to respect the way they stand by their music and re-invent the tours and keep it fresh.

It can be done. I think the Stones just need to have a little more faith in themselves and their music. Of course people will bitch and moan at the concerts for not hearing all the big hits. But if your a fan of the music then the music should do the talking.

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Roscoe
My thought about setlists and warhorses has always been this. When playing two or more shows per city, do a "Hits" show and a "Non-Hits" show (or whatever you want to call it). Yes, the Licks Tour did something like this but only in a very few cities. But take it a step further- and this is the key to making it work. When the tour is announced, have Mick explain the concept up front. Let the ticket buyer know that not all shows will be hit-laden. In each city the advertising should clearly designate which night is a "Hits" show and which is a "Non-Hits" show. Print it right on the ticket. As long as you can read, you know what to expect.

And jeez, play 'Out of Control' every damn night already!

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It can be done. I think the Stones just need to have a little more faith in themselves and their music.

Exactly. The Stones could easily play a total of 20 to 24 songs at a concert. Half could be the war horses, and the other half could be lesser known songs. Just intermingle the war horses with the others and that would please everyone. These are the Stones, by God, and they should be able to pull this off with ease. Everyone loves the Stones.

I hope they start each concert with If You Can't Rock Me.

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Tour will happen. Start in 2011

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Tour will happen. Start in 2011

AGAIN? Uh huh.

Anyway, back to reality - with the Licks tour they rehearsed a lot of songs, some never been played live, blah blah blah. The set list did indeed feature some obscure tunes, somewhat obscure tunes and some other somewhat popular tunes along with, I thought, overall, some energetic warhorses (Brown Sugar and Street Fighting Man were pretty damn good - Start Me Up and JJF sucked). However, Keith was asked about Flight 505 and he talked about trying it out but nothing happened.

That's the only tour they've actually ever really done that (ie no new album to hype other than the 1975 tour). They did play some obscurities for the Voodoo tour, along with, of course, the new songs at the time that then fit in really well.

So they have worked on whatever 'other' songs but it's MICK JAGGER who always resorts to the "safety" of the warhorses. It's Jagger's fault, no one else.

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Shawn20
Song slots in a Rolling Stones concert are precious commodities. With such an enormous catalogue of hits and famous album cuts - choosing a set list must be a daunting task. In the past tours they could easily turn over the set list because they had an expectation the newer material would be successful on the charts. This sort of chart success has been long gone. Love is Strong & Rough Justice - as much as I like them did not become the next Miss You and Start Me Up as far as the general public is concerned. The lack of success of the newer songs makes the recent set lists more conservative - not the other way around. Does anyone really think ABB would have been a bigger hit if they would played almost the entire album every show as they did for Some Girls in 78?

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Well, there is a more sober way to look at this too. What can we really expect? They are all pensioners (except Ronnie); they haven't played together for approx three years; Keith has undergone a brainsurgery, Charlie a throatcancer operation, Ronnie is a cronic alkoholist, Mick's voice is getting more and more nasal and so on, so on... . Perhaps mediocre version of the warhorses, click-tracks and (partly) playback is the best we can hope for? I mean if this is the last tour, who´s not going to see them, anyway?