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It's a terrible song, poorly executed. At the time, it was easily the worst first single they'd pulled from an album, even worse than Angie. Subsequent first singles have surpassed it, however (Anybody Seen My Baby, Streets of Love, to name two).

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It's a terrible song, poorly executed. At the time, it was easily the worst first single they'd pulled from an album, even worse than Angie. Subsequent first singles have surpassed it, however (Anybody Seen My Baby, Streets of Love, to name two).

Ha ha ha ha ha. I'll leave the rest of what you said alone but when I saw the 'easily the worst first single they'd pulled from an album' I immediately quoted this and went to start off and then I noticed that you, ah ha ha ha, corrected yourself.

Somewhat.

I wouldn't say Anybody Seen My Baby a horrible single, it's a clever song and it is the closest song to Miss You and Emotional Rescue they've done since. But that's as far as it goes. It might be clever but it's certainly not GOOD. The video was better than the song and fits - probably the only Stones video to actually help a song out.

But your calling Emotional Rescue an even worse single since Angie? No way. Angie is the antithesis of The Rolling Stones as far as rock'n'roll goes. The Stones had Exile out a year prior - and then THAT glop was released? Somebody should have been shot. Remove Angie from Goats Head Soup and suddenly the album is a million times better.

Their worst awful bad Stones single ever has to be Streets Of Love, with Rock And A Hard Place right up the ass of that. Angie follows, only because it has been topped. It doesn't get any worse than that.

So far.

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Although ER is at least a cousin to Miss You, it does have its own unique elements. The first few opening seconds, with the high hat, bass and strings? (synth?) are very Philadelphia sound of the mid-70s. I'm still confused about the bass; with Mick saying ER was something he, Bill and Charlie worked up, why does Ron Wood play bass on the recording? Was he following what Bill had already worked up, or is Mick's memory suspect?

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And I love how he delivered those lines...with a wink and tongue in cheek. He seemed to be teasing us with lines like that.

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To me, ER is the last time Jagger sounded sincerely vulnerable and effortlessly sexy....as opposed to crotch-rock cartoonish......(Sparks Will Fly etc..)

I thought you like Wandering Spirit

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he lost alot of his mojo.

I hope that with Plundered My Soul Mick is back

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I agree on all points. I must have misunderstood you somewhere previously because I completely agree that Jagger lost that edge, conviction after 83.....with a few exceptions.
To me, ER is the last time Jagger sounded sincerely vulnerable and effortlessly sexy....as opposed to crotch-rock cartoonish......(Sparks Will Fly etc..)

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At least they were still taking chances when they released this. It's rather tongue in cheek and lots of folks didn't get the joke. I will surprise some here and raise my hand in support of this track.

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Unique!!!!!!!! What else do you need???
Eclectic STones for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I agree on all points. I must have misunderstood you somewhere previously because I completely agree that Jagger lost that edge, conviction after 83.....with a few exceptions.
To me, ER is the last time Jagger sounded sincerely vulnerable and effortlessly sexy....as opposed to crotch-rock cartoonish......(Sparks Will Fly etc..)

stupidguy2, the point i was trying to make earlier on the other thread was really relating more to Keith's book, and his own interpretations of Jagger. Jagger, to a sense, is now a caricature, of the young Jagger. He hasn't been able to move on in an authentic way, and really connect sincerely within the music he has been recording since, at least 'She's The Boss', and 'Dirty Work'. It is all very shallow and facile to a large degree. Maybe artists like Bob Dylan, reflect a maturity within their musical style, and lyrics, which are much more easy to relate to, as they go beyond the superficiality of simply role playing being a rock star. Listening to Bob Dylan, and to a large degree, even Tom Jones on his latest album, 'Praise And Blame', and there are timeless themes which relate to all ages. The fact that both of these artists have pretty much returned to their musical roots, is also pretty telling. The blues feature largely in so much of their recently recorded output. If Tom Jones, for example, was asked to sing in a similar vein to how he did in his youth, the results may not be too favourable perhaps, but those blues and gospel songs perfectly reflect who he is now, and what he is capable of now. He and Bob, aren't simply attempting to replay appearing to be an eternal teenager. The problem with Jagger, i fear, is his business brain is about all he has left, and he's forever resigning himself to playing purely the nostalgia circuit, without much of a hint of a contemporary credibility. He's trying to impress in appearing the peter pan of rock, sometimes i feel as much for vanity's sake than anything, but he's appearing more and more shallow with every passing year, and has done since the early eighties.

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I agree on all points. I must have misunderstood you somewhere previously because I completely agree that Jagger lost that edge, conviction after 83.....with a few exceptions.
To me, ER is the last time Jagger sounded sincerely vulnerable and effortlessly sexy....as opposed to crotch-rock cartoonish......(Sparks Will Fly etc..)

stupidguy2, the point i was trying to make earlier on the other thread was really relating more to Keith's book, and his own interpretations of Jagger. Jagger, to a sense, is now a caricature, of the young Jagger. He hasn't been able to move on in an authentic way, and really connect sincerely within the music he has been recording since, at least 'She's The Boss', and 'Dirty Work'. It is all very shallow and facile to a large degree. Maybe artists like Bob Dylan, reflect a maturity within their musical style, and lyrics, which are much more easy to relate to, as they go beyond the superficiality of simply role playing being a rock star. Listening to Bob Dylan, and to a large degree, even Tom Jones on his latest album, 'Praise And Blame', and there are timeless themes which relate to all ages. The fact that both of these artists have pretty much returned to their musical roots, is also pretty telling. The blues feature largely in so much of their recently recorded output. If Tom Jones, for example, was asked to sing in a similar vein to how he did in his youth, the results may not be too favourable perhaps, but those blues and gospel songs perfectly reflect who he is now, and what he is capable of now. He and Bob, aren't simply attempting to replay appearing to be an eternal teenager. The problem with Jagger, i fear, is his business brain is about all he has left, and he's forever resigning himself to playing purely the nostalgia circuit, without much of a hint of a contemporary credibility. He's trying to impress in appearing the peter pan of rock, sometimes i feel as much for vanity's sake than anything, but he's appearing more and more shallow with every passing year, and has done since the early eighties.

Again, I must have missed your main point before because I competely agree and you put it perfectly.
Jagger lost his passion somewhere along the line and it has shown in most of his latter-day material. I will argue that there are exceptions, where he seems to be writing with authenticity - I can list several songs post-83 that moved me or had me hoping for more but its hit and miss with far more misses:
Sad, Sad, Sad,
Most of Wandering Spirit (Sweet Thing is an example of Jagger trying to sound sexy, but failing)
Don't Call Me Up
Too Far Gone (both from Goddess)
and an absolute gem from the Alfie soundtrack: Blind Leading the Blind
I can honestly say that I believe Plundered My Soul is Jagger at his best: the lyrics, performance - its all there. WHen you listen to it, its like 'Wow, that sounds like Mick Jagger....'
as opposed to Following the River is done in that weird, thin, whining cat delievery that just kills Nicky Hopkins beautiful piano... and just screams that his heart is not in it.
These songs soar because of the delivery - that says it all to me. Its not about projecting meaning to any given song, but being able to hear the strength in his voice, the realness: he loses that thinness, the over-enunciation....and his voice carries with a resonance. Its all there in his vocal because he's not a technically good enough "singer" to fake it. Its the difference between Beast of Burden and Don't Stop,
But these songs are fleeting and stretched out over the last two decades.
Its interesting: we're clocking the moment Jagger "lost it" at around 83 and that is the period where Keith is most critical of Mick. I
I can remember the day before She's the Boss was released and Mick Jagger was still an artist. The day it was released, Mick Jagger was MIA and to this day, I don't know what happened - the transformation was so drastic, the fall from grace so sudden, literally night and day....it was hard to take him seriously.
Younger fans who were not Stones fans when SHe's the Boss was released (Jan, Feb 84)may not be able to relate to what you're saying because they probably see the Stones as one long journey, or one big epic and the lean years are get washed over and mostly overshadowed by time, but we've lived through these different stages and it was pretty damn hard to be a Stones fan in the 80s...
I know exactly what you're saying in terms of growth, maturity in reference to artists like Dylan and I would add Neil Young - these artists reflect in their latter-day work themes that come from evolution...whereas, Mick seemed to stop evolving, either personally or artistically, in the early 80s (with the exceptions I listed above providing glimpses of a grownup Jagger) I say personally because the work relflects a certain shallowness, as you put it. The themes in Jagger's later work relies so heavily on sexuality and romantic cliches, but in a forced, cartoonish way.....like there was no inner life beyond teenage lust, fantasies and desires...
Yes, Edward, this is shallow.

On another thread, I mentioned that in 82, I read an article on Bianca and she stated, rather regretfully, that she had always admired Mick's intelligence, talent etc....but that 'now, he's got up in his own myth...'
I assumed it was ex-wife bitterness, but a few years later, both Keith and even Charlie implied the same thing. Keith did more than imply, but there seems to be some truth to those comments.
I love Mick and I will always defend his artistic integrity and as far as Im concerned, no one comes close to Jagger in his element as an artist, performer etc....
But we agree 100% on Jagger's latter-day enigma.

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congrats, Marv, on a perfect example of a thread-crap! True skill, there. Anything else you don't like these days? Do tell--or better yet, find someone posting about them and say it there.

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congrats, Marv, on a perfect example of a thread-crap! True skill, there. Anything else you don't like these days? Do tell--or better yet, find someone posting about them and say it there.

Gee, are we not allowed to not like something done by the Stones anymore?
Sorry, guess I missed the email

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I agree on all points. I must have misunderstood you somewhere previously because I completely agree that Jagger lost that edge, conviction after 83.....with a few exceptions.
To me, ER is the last time Jagger sounded sincerely vulnerable and effortlessly sexy....as opposed to crotch-rock cartoonish......(Sparks Will Fly etc..)

stupidguy2, the point i was trying to make earlier on the other thread was really relating more to Keith's book, and his own interpretations of Jagger. Jagger, to a sense, is now a caricature, of the young Jagger. He hasn't been able to move on in an authentic way, and really connect sincerely within the music he has been recording since, at least 'She's The Boss', and 'Dirty Work'. It is all very shallow and facile to a large degree. Maybe artists like Bob Dylan, reflect a maturity within their musical style, and lyrics, which are much more easy to relate to, as they go beyond the superficiality of simply role playing being a rock star. Listening to Bob Dylan, and to a large degree, even Tom Jones on his latest album, 'Praise And Blame', and there are timeless themes which relate to all ages. The fact that both of these artists have pretty much returned to their musical roots, is also pretty telling. The blues feature largely in so much of their recently recorded output. If Tom Jones, for example, was asked to sing in a similar vein to how he did in his youth, the results may not be too favourable perhaps, but those blues and gospel songs perfectly reflect who he is now, and what he is capable of now. He and Bob, aren't simply attempting to replay appearing to be an eternal teenager. The problem with Jagger, i fear, is his business brain is about all he has left, and he's forever resigning himself to playing purely the nostalgia circuit, without much of a hint of a contemporary credibility. He's trying to impress in appearing the peter pan of rock, sometimes i feel as much for vanity's sake than anything, but he's appearing more and more shallow with every passing year, and has done since the early eighties.

Again, I must have missed your main point before because I competely agree and you put it perfectly.
Jagger lost his passion somewhere along the line and it has shown in most of his latter-day material. I will argue that there are exceptions, where he seems to be writing with authenticity - I can list several songs post-83 that moved me or had me hoping for more:
Sad, Sad, Sad,
Most of Wandering Spirit (Sweet Thing is an example of Jagger trying to sound sexy, but failing)
Don't Call Me Up
Too Far Gone (both from Goddess)
and an absolute gem from the Alfie soundtrack: Blind Leading the Blind
I can honestly say that I believe Plundered My Soul is Jagger at his best: the lyrics, performance - its all there. WHen you listen to it, its like 'Wow, that sounds like Mick Jagger....'
However, Following the River is done in that weird, thin, whining cat delievery that just kills Nicky Hopkins beautiful piano... and just screams "I'm faking it..'
But these songs are fleeting and stretched out over the last two decades.
Its interesting: we're clocking the moment Jagger "lost it" at around 83 and that is the period where Keith is most critical of Mick. I
I can remember the day before She's the Boss was released and Mick Jagger was still an artist. The day it was released, Mick Jagger was MIA and to this day, I don't know what happened - the transformation was so drastic, the fall from grace so sudden, literally night and day....it was hard to take him seriously.
Younger fans who were not Stones fans when SHe's the Boss was released (Jan, Feb 84)may not be able to relate to what you're saying because they probably see the Stones as one long journey, or one big epic, but we've watched these different stages and it was pretty damn hard to be a Stones fan in the 80s...
I know exactly what you're saying in terms of growth, maturity in reference to artists like Dylan and I would add Neil Young - these artists reflect in their latter-day work themes that come from evolution...whereas, Mick seemed to stop evolving, either personally or artistically, in the early 80s (with the exceptions I listed above providing glimpses of a grownup Jagger) I say personally because the work relflects a certain shallowness, as you put it. The themes in Jagger's later work relies so heavily on sexuality and romantic cliches, but in a forced, cartoonish way.....like there was no inner life beyond teenage lust, fantasies and desires...
Yes, Edward, this is shallow.

On another thread, I mentioned that in 82, I read an article on Bianca and she stated, rather regretfully, that she had always admired Mick's intelligence, talent etc....but that 'now, he's got up in his own myth...'
I assumed it was ex-wife bitterness, but a few years later, both Keith and even Charlie implied the same thing. Keith did more than imply, but there seems to be some truth to those comments.
I love Mick and I will always defend his artistic integrity and as far as Im concerned, no one comes close to Jagger in his element as an artist, performer etc....
But we agree 100% on Jagger's latter-day enigma.