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Heaven was recorded in late 1980 and early 1981. Worried About You a leftover from 1975 also finished in 1980/81. No Use in Crying the only one worked on in 1979.
I was going by this, which means it was tracked:
790621A 10th June - 7th July & late July - 25th August & 12th September - 19th October:
Boulogne-Billancourt (near Paris), France, Pathé Marconi Studios. Producer: The
Glimmer Twins. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey. Additional musicians: Bobby Keys
(sax)/Sugar Blue (harm)/Martin Gordon (bass; two days in September)
- Dance I (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics
- Dance II (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics, with `three, four..."-count-in
- Dance III (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics with `two, three, four"-count-in
- Dance IV (MJ/KR/RW) -first early version with original intro
- Down In The Hole I (MJ/KR) -early version with partly different lyrics
- Emotional Rescue I (MJ/KR) -long version
- Hang Fire III (MJ/KR) -with some falsetto vocals
- Hang Fire IV (MJ/KR) -first version with ‘doo doo doo’-chorus
- Heaven I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- Indian Girl I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version without horns
- Instrumental ( ) -unverified
- It's A Lie I (MJ/KR) -with harmonica intro
- It's A Lie II (MJ/KR) -with drums intro
- Jam ( ) -with Bobby Keys; unverified
- Let Me Go I (MJ/KR) -without sax
- Let Me Go II (MJ/KR) -’Emotional Rescue’-version
- Neighbours I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- No Use In Crying I (MJ/KR/RW) -shorter early version
- No Use In Crying II (MJ/KR/RW) -longer early version
- No Use In Crying III (MJ/KR/RW) -similar to version II, but organ sets in earlier
- No Use In Crying IV (MJ/KR/RW) -edit of early version
- Send It To Me I (MJ/KR) -long version with vocals
- Summer Romance IV (MJ/KR) -more finished lyrics than III
- Summer Romance V (MJ/KR) -finished lyrics, but diff. vocal take, one guitar less
- Summer Romance VI (MJ/KR) -finished lyrics, plus bvoc; long version of VII
- “Time Flies” (MJ/KR) -title unsure, with Martin Gordon on bass
- We Had It All I (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -without harmonica
- We Had It All II (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -version I with harmonica
- We Had It All III (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -more finished version
- Where The Boys Go III (MJ/KR) -’Where The Boys All Go’-version, 1st version
with proper intro
- Where The Boys Go IV (MJ/KR) -different lead vocals, no girls choir, longer solo
- Where The Boys Go V (MJ/KR) -version used for thermo-promo
you're welcome. I admire you from afar.
That's me behind the bush over there in fact.
Hair or foliage?
I agree with skipstone's angle on this one.
It rolls with that elusive, elastic beat.
[Has one of Keith's best & truly classic Open G progessions too.]
Um, no. Hand of Fate is Ok but it’s cartoonish compared to Gimme Shelter – it’s not the least bit menacing. I would’ve preferred Keith to sing this one – he’d bring more sincerity to it. Mick is more believable in Freejack than he is in this song. Come to think of it though, it’s not all Mick’s fault - the guitarists just plod through it hitting mostly sterile notes. Early Stones auto-pilot (and it's not substantially better or worse than 'Crazy Mama').
skipstone just isn't really skipstone anymore
Ha ha!
EXACTLY!
Could be ... for most perfect (he has so many) I would probably go w/ Gimme Shelter, but Hand of Fate is 'killer'!
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Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: August 28, 2015 17:21
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swimtothemoon
There does seem to be a dividing line in sound and feel with the pre SG albums and those after. Not necessarily bad, but just different. Pre SG seems less polished with a looser feel and maybe musically deeper. The exception might be Tatoo you - some of the tunes such as tops, slave and Heaven have a similar feel and we all know those were leftovers from pre SG.
Heaven is from one of the 1979 sessions for EMOTIONAL RESCUE, just like Neighbours and No Use In Crying are.
Heaven was recorded in late 1980 and early 1981. Worried About You a leftover from 1975 also finished in 1980/81. No Use in Crying the only one worked on in 1979.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 28, 2015 18:27
I think McPherson has it wrong on TIOOS.com about Neighbours. I know I have read several places that it wasn't recorded in 1980.
Heaven is supposedly the only new song on TY.
Heaven is supposedly the only new song on TY.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 28, 2015 21:08
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NaturalustQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
swimtothemoon
There does seem to be a dividing line in sound and feel with the pre SG albums and those after. Not necessarily bad, but just different. Pre SG seems less polished with a looser feel and maybe musically deeper. The exception might be Tatoo you - some of the tunes such as tops, slave and Heaven have a similar feel and we all know those were leftovers from pre SG.
Heaven is from one of the 1979 sessions for EMOTIONAL RESCUE, just like Neighbours and No Use In Crying are.
Heaven was recorded in late 1980 and early 1981. Worried About You a leftover from 1975 also finished in 1980/81. No Use in Crying the only one worked on in 1979.
I was going by this, which means it was tracked:
790621A 10th June - 7th July & late July - 25th August & 12th September - 19th October:
Boulogne-Billancourt (near Paris), France, Pathé Marconi Studios. Producer: The
Glimmer Twins. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey. Additional musicians: Bobby Keys
(sax)/Sugar Blue (harm)/Martin Gordon (bass; two days in September)
- Dance I (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics
- Dance II (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics, with `three, four..."-count-in
- Dance III (MJ/KR/RW) -early lyrics with `two, three, four"-count-in
- Dance IV (MJ/KR/RW) -first early version with original intro
- Down In The Hole I (MJ/KR) -early version with partly different lyrics
- Emotional Rescue I (MJ/KR) -long version
- Hang Fire III (MJ/KR) -with some falsetto vocals
- Hang Fire IV (MJ/KR) -first version with ‘doo doo doo’-chorus
- Heaven I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- Indian Girl I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version without horns
- Instrumental ( ) -unverified
- It's A Lie I (MJ/KR) -with harmonica intro
- It's A Lie II (MJ/KR) -with drums intro
- Jam ( ) -with Bobby Keys; unverified
- Let Me Go I (MJ/KR) -without sax
- Let Me Go II (MJ/KR) -’Emotional Rescue’-version
- Neighbours I (MJ/KR) -early version with guide vocals
- No Use In Crying I (MJ/KR/RW) -shorter early version
- No Use In Crying II (MJ/KR/RW) -longer early version
- No Use In Crying III (MJ/KR/RW) -similar to version II, but organ sets in earlier
- No Use In Crying IV (MJ/KR/RW) -edit of early version
- Send It To Me I (MJ/KR) -long version with vocals
- Summer Romance IV (MJ/KR) -more finished lyrics than III
- Summer Romance V (MJ/KR) -finished lyrics, but diff. vocal take, one guitar less
- Summer Romance VI (MJ/KR) -finished lyrics, plus bvoc; long version of VII
- “Time Flies” (MJ/KR) -title unsure, with Martin Gordon on bass
- We Had It All I (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -without harmonica
- We Had It All II (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -version I with harmonica
- We Had It All III (Troy Seals/Donny Fritts) -more finished version
- Where The Boys Go III (MJ/KR) -’Where The Boys All Go’-version, 1st version
with proper intro
- Where The Boys Go IV (MJ/KR) -different lead vocals, no girls choir, longer solo
- Where The Boys Go V (MJ/KR) -version used for thermo-promo
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: August 28, 2015 22:00
You're probably right GLS, my info isn't quite that detailed. Thanks for that.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 28, 2015 22:03
You're welcome.
I love that site.
I love that site.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: August 29, 2015 22:53
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His Majesty
Thanks.
you're welcome. I admire you from afar.
That's me behind the bush over there in fact.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 29, 2015 22:57
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treaclefingers
you're welcome. I admire you from afar.
That's me behind the bush over there in fact.
Hair or foliage?
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
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Date: August 29, 2015 23:02
The Declaration of Independence was revised approximately 20 times. most of these folks were in in their 20s and early 30s. Ben was in his 70s. This accomplishment is amaazing.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Rip This
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Date: August 30, 2015 00:27
...and now...back to our regularly scheduled program.....Hand of Fate...the thrill is never gone when I hear it.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
exhpart
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Date: November 30, 2016 18:11
7 pages on HOF...yep great song on a great album. Maybe because for me it was only my 3rd Stones studio album but at 18 years old was eagerly awaited.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: December 1, 2016 09:17
"The Stockholm Circus version from 2003 might be the closest attempt of a good latter-day version".
Sometimes Life is so beautiful, Hand Of Fate is by far my favourite Stones song and I was lucky to be there first row one step from stage when they did it at the Cirkus.
I agree, the only great version post-1977, it is really a pity that they choose the Olympia for the Four Flix DVD, should've had the Krone or Cirkus show instead.
Back to the song, it's got this desperate, "Gimme Sheltery" Doom and Gloom which is so precious which only The Stones and Dylan can reach on numerous occasions.
I love Charlie's hi-hat outro on the album, it is so freakin' funky! And the songs does not fade which is also a Winner!
The only weird thing with this tune is that my uncle prefers Crazy Mama which is also great but two tiers below the glorius Hand OF Fate.
You're a rag trade girl, You're the queen of porn, You're the easiest lay on the white house lawn!!
Sometimes Life is so beautiful, Hand Of Fate is by far my favourite Stones song and I was lucky to be there first row one step from stage when they did it at the Cirkus.
I agree, the only great version post-1977, it is really a pity that they choose the Olympia for the Four Flix DVD, should've had the Krone or Cirkus show instead.
Back to the song, it's got this desperate, "Gimme Sheltery" Doom and Gloom which is so precious which only The Stones and Dylan can reach on numerous occasions.
I love Charlie's hi-hat outro on the album, it is so freakin' funky! And the songs does not fade which is also a Winner!
The only weird thing with this tune is that my uncle prefers Crazy Mama which is also great but two tiers below the glorius Hand OF Fate.
You're a rag trade girl, You're the queen of porn, You're the easiest lay on the white house lawn!!
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: December 1, 2016 09:57
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skipstone
It's an odd song. It's intense yet so sluggish and almost lazy. But they don't have a lot of songs like this. I've always liked it. It always sounds on the verge of falling apart, much like Tumbling Dice is, and so in that aspect, it's a nice groove. Is it a CYHMK or Rocks Off type song? No. But it is what it is - a nice dirty filthy lazy howling rocker.
I agree with skipstone's angle on this one.
It rolls with that elusive, elastic beat.
[Has one of Keith's best & truly classic Open G progessions too.]
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Swayed1967
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Date: December 1, 2016 10:03
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MadMax
Back to the song, it's got this desperate, "Gimme Sheltery" Doom and Gloom which is so precious which only The Stones and Dylan can reach on numerous occasions.
Um, no. Hand of Fate is Ok but it’s cartoonish compared to Gimme Shelter – it’s not the least bit menacing. I would’ve preferred Keith to sing this one – he’d bring more sincerity to it. Mick is more believable in Freejack than he is in this song. Come to think of it though, it’s not all Mick’s fault - the guitarists just plod through it hitting mostly sterile notes. Early Stones auto-pilot (and it's not substantially better or worse than 'Crazy Mama').
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: December 1, 2016 10:46
That's a bit unfair I think .
It's no Gimme Shelter... but it's a good old Stones rocker with that unique swagger that no other band comes close to.
It's no Gimme Shelter... but it's a good old Stones rocker with that unique swagger that no other band comes close to.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Swayed1967
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Date: December 1, 2016 10:58
If this song were truly good, why was/is 'Some Girls' treated like the 'Second Coming?'
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 1, 2016 10:59
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SpudQuote
skipstone
It's an odd song. It's intense yet so sluggish and almost lazy. But they don't have a lot of songs like this. I've always liked it. It always sounds on the verge of falling apart, much like Tumbling Dice is, and so in that aspect, it's a nice groove. Is it a CYHMK or Rocks Off type song? No. But it is what it is - a nice dirty filthy lazy howling rocker.
I agree with skipstone's angle on this one.
It rolls with that elusive, elastic beat.
[Has one of Keith's best & truly classic Open G progessions too.]
skipstone just isn't really skipstone anymore
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: December 1, 2016 12:36
Cartoonish?? I'd rather have Hand Of Fate than Gimme Shelter in a desert island joint playing non stop anyday pal, another man's coffee etc I guess.. 2 middle 8's are better than none...
Besides, I can relate to the lyrics much better. I've never been near a war but I sure have entertained a married woman in a one-horse town on more occasions than one....
You're a rag trade girl, You're the queen of porn, You're the easiest lay on the white house lawn!!
Besides, I can relate to the lyrics much better. I've never been near a war but I sure have entertained a married woman in a one-horse town on more occasions than one....
You're a rag trade girl, You're the queen of porn, You're the easiest lay on the white house lawn!!
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: December 1, 2016 12:48
Love it. It is a filler but from the days when they has to consider bad reviews and harsh criticism.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
35love
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Date: December 1, 2016 15:54
I tell you what, that Wayne Perkins. I thought it was Mick Taylor.
Go ahead, laugh. I nearly died. (wrong tune)
Really tho. Nice.
Luv Jagger's growl.
Go ahead, laugh. I nearly died. (wrong tune)
Really tho. Nice.
Luv Jagger's growl.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 1, 2016 17:00
The sound of it makes it more than filler, imo.
But it isn't really a great song. I love it just the same. Groovy stuff!
But it isn't really a great song. I love it just the same. Groovy stuff!
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: December 1, 2016 17:39
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
SpudQuote
skipstone
It's an odd song. It's intense yet so sluggish and almost lazy. But they don't have a lot of songs like this. I've always liked it. It always sounds on the verge of falling apart, much like Tumbling Dice is, and so in that aspect, it's a nice groove. Is it a CYHMK or Rocks Off type song? No. But it is what it is - a nice dirty filthy lazy howling rocker.
I agree with skipstone's angle on this one.
It rolls with that elusive, elastic beat.
[Has one of Keith's best & truly classic Open G progessions too.]
skipstone just isn't really skipstone anymore
Ha ha!
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
Muddyw
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Date: December 1, 2016 17:54
Funny, after the snare intro by Charlie in Commit A Crime I expected Love Is Strong 
On a few songs you can clearly hear Darryl. I kinda hoped he would be more audible on all of these fantastic blues songs. Because I like the blues with a distinct bass.
On a few songs you can clearly hear Darryl. I kinda hoped he would be more audible on all of these fantastic blues songs. Because I like the blues with a distinct bass.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
MartinB
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Date: December 1, 2016 18:20
It is among Stones's top 10 for me. The perfection of lousiness. And a great solo.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
blivet
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Date: December 1, 2016 18:55
I just don't like the way Jagger's voice sounds on this. It sounds like there's something caught in his throat.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
roundnround
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Date: December 1, 2016 23:33
Wayne Perkins is an incredible guitarist. Listen to his solo on Bob Marley's Concrete Jungle. Just chilling... There's a reason why he almost joined the Stones
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
inspector71
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Date: January 24, 2017 21:41
HOF is my all time favorite. In all the times I've seen the band live they didn't play it. I was lucky enough to see them up close at the Palais Royale show. One of the biggest laughs I got was the 4 flicks dvd shows Mick b4 the show in discussing the set list saying "no Hand of Fate". It's such a great song about pure desperation. I'm surprised it never made any soundtracks on TV or movies.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
KRiffhard
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Date: January 24, 2017 22:00
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MartinB
It is among Stones's top 10 for me. The perfection of lousiness. And a great solo.
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: January 25, 2017 02:14
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KRiffhardQuote
MartinB
It is among Stones's top 10 for me. The perfection of lousiness. And a great solo.
EXACTLY!
Re: Track Talk: Hand Of Fate
Posted by:
LeonidP
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Date: January 25, 2017 15:56
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LeonidP
always one of my favorites - i think i love the multiple guitar solos the most ... not overdone and they fit perfectly with the track! But of course, Micks vox are killer!
This could be the most perfect vocal he ever did in the studio IMHO.
What do you call that vocal delivery...a 'smooth growl' maybe?
Could be ... for most perfect (he has so many) I would probably go w/ Gimme Shelter, but Hand of Fate is 'killer'!
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