I need playing tips for Under My Thumb, the Still Life version. Not the basic song or solo, but all the little licks that goes on during the song. I´m playing Ullevi Stadium (indoors in the conference centre) on Keiths birthday the 18 of december. It would be cool to play the first song Stones opened with in 1982. I´m asking since I have a lot of other songs to go through...
And where else to ask but here?

Vilhelm
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You'd need a dead cool rhythm section that keep steady while you're letting some chords drop infront and after the actual meassures, change that to solo riffs sometimes, never repeat the exact same phrase and do the same with your co-guitarist only vice versa.
that should get ya in the ballpark, I'd think.

hey wow, Ulevi stadium!
have fun.

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You'd need a dead cool rhythm section that keep steady while you're letting some chords drop infront and after the actual meassures, change that to solo riffs sometimes, never repeat the exact same phrase and do the same with your co-guitarist only vice versa.
that should get ya in the ballpark, I'd think.

hey wow, Ulevi stadium!
have fun.

Yeah Ullevi, I know, although indoors, but hey! That and Keiths birthday is why I agreed to do the gig. Don´t know bout my rythm section, but they´re pretty good at playing sloppy, unintentionally

So what´s happening here at approx 1:12, chord/riffwise?
Then at 1:32, there´s a lick that´s repeated more or less at 2:32?





Vilhelm
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Grow your own. (version)

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Grow your own. (version)

Yeah, I know, but it would be cool to throw in some of the Still Life stuff, that´s why I asked.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

this may sound obvious but have you listened to the live versions and try coping the licks by ear? It is tried and true method, though it takes patience...

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this may sound obvious but have you listened to the live versions and try coping the licks by ear? It is tried and true method, though it takes patience...

Yeah , you´re right, after fiddling around for a while on the guitar, I figured some of the things out, I just saw this mountain of work that needed to be done with the songs we´re gonna play, that´s why I asked. This is the only Stones song we´ll play on that gig. It´s a girl who sings lead and she has already questioned the lyrics to UMT, to which I replied: "Just imagine your a lesbian"

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

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You'd need a dead cool rhythm section that keep steady while you're letting some chords drop infront and after the actual meassures, change that to solo riffs sometimes, never repeat the exact same phrase and do the same with your co-guitarist only vice versa.
that should get ya in the ballpark, I'd think.

hey wow, Ulevi stadium!
have fun.

Yeah Ullevi, I know, although indoors, but hey! That and Keiths birthday is why I agreed to do the gig. Don´t know bout my rythm section, but they´re pretty good at playing sloppy, unintentionally

So what´s happening here at approx 1:12, chord/riffwise?
Then at 1:32, there´s a lick that´s repeated more or less at 2:32?

Allthough it's standard here, think of playing barre chord in open G and then the hammer-on. thats what he does.

If you're thinking about the groovy riff (Keith) that goes on in the ending (also to an extend to be found on I'm Free), play barre chords (G) and use your index or ring finger on the three first strings to slide from fret #3 to fret #5 and go back to G chord again. Then slide from fret # 5 back to fret # 3 (..."yeah, baby it's all right...")

V



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-19 15:42 by Erik_Snow.

or...if you DON'T have your guitar tuned to open-g.... :

-play an A-chord on 5th fret, BUT use only the the 5 "last strings", meaning that only use 4 fingers, like this

5
5
6
7
7
X

, then :

-slide up to the 7th fret using only one finger, and press the finger over the 4 "last strings", so that all 4 strings are on the 7th fret,

7
7
7
7
X
X

then:

- use your little finger on the 9th fret :

9
7
7
7
X
X

then....

- it's back to A chord again

the next time you do it.... (2 seconds later), START with your little finger on the 9th fret, before pulling it away, so that you only have the finger on the 7th fret.....(IOW, the "other way around" )

...then back to A chord


They play a whole little jam with this lick, in the C***sucker Blues movie - in a hallway backstage



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-19 20:07 by Erik_Snow.

The song is in G (Em on the verses), in standard tuning.

It's in G....ehem, OK then - I've always played in A with F#m in the verses
I'm Free is in A though, isn't it - at least mickijaggeroo can play I'm Free now, then



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-19 16:23 by Erik_Snow.

Yeah. That little lick is easy to transcribe, though. Nowadays, Keith uses that lick on quite a lot of songs.

I think Erik is right. And UMT was played in F# in 1969?

Verse: F# E D D x2

Chorus goes up to A etc

I'm Free was in A in 1969, so makes sense.

Thanks guys! More tips are welcome of course. I play it as WeLoveYou describes.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Under My Thumb is in the key of A. As far as I know, it has never been played in open G, at least by the Stones...

So it IS in A.....that's what I thought......thanks for confirming ChrisM and Weloveyou

Jimi Hendrix fretted the E string of chords a lot under his thumb.

Sure it's not in open G with a capo tuned to open D?

Never been open G. I could be wrong, maybe it's in A. But it would be sort of clumsy with the C/B/A-change that seems so natural in G. In A the change would be D/C#/B. But anything is possible

I am no good at harmonization, but the Fm# E D part goes well with a pentatonic Fm# (and I believe this is what Keith bases the part of his solo on) while the A / D part the tonality of A sounds dominant. Besides, pentatonic A major and pentatonic Fm# have the same notes. The final A / D part it is basically double stops based on a harmonized pentatonic A major / minor scale. Similar licks in the time is on my side solo.

C

I beleive you are right, even though it would have been the same harmonizing with Em and G. For some reason, I've always beleived that keith started his solo, bending the g-string in second fret position, because he never really bends it enough

That first lick is what Erik sez. Vil, if you're playing Ulevi Stadium, you've probably done these licks a million times without thinking about it. Maybe you should just let it rip, and turn around afterwards and see you outplayed Keith.

liddas and DandelionPowderman are both correct

because:-

F#minor is the "relative minor" to Amajor

like Eminor is the "relative minor" to Gmajor.

In UMT you can solo in F# during the verses, and solo in A in the chorus. In a sense UMT is in the keys of F# and A. I'm not sure what the theory is as regards to which key the song should be in.

UMT definitely uses the F#. Anyone who things it's a G chord must be listening to a slightly speeded up recording. Listen to UMT at Altamont and the chords are a lot easier to hear verse: F# E D D x2 chorus: A A D Bm F# E D A A.

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UMT definitely uses the F#. Anyone who things it's a G chord must be listening to a slightly speeded up recording. Listen to UMT at Altamont and the chords are a lot easier to hear verse: F# E D D x2 chorus: A A D Bm F# E D A A.

That's it! The PAL version of Let's spend the night together is acually plays faster and everything sounds 1/2 a step higher!

C

< I'm not sure what the theory is as regards to which key the song should be in.> <We lLove You>

Both actually: UMT has 3 sharps.
The beginning is minor, a bit sad,the other part major,a "happy ending" so to speak.

When played in F#m, it is a B major, not a minor in the bridge.
E.g. when following Brian's Marimba line on Aftermath he goes to the Eb during the B chord. (The Eb being the major third of the B chord.)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-20 13:29 by Palace Revolution 2000.

When I learnt the main piece to this I transferred the tab of the original into the 9 th fret position then sliding up to 7 th and so on.. Keith solo s are so cool because they slide between major and minor so well.

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That first lick is what Erik sez. Vil, if you're playing Ulevi Stadium, you've probably done these licks a million times without thinking about it. Maybe you should just let it rip, and turn around afterwards and see you outplayed Keith.

Yeah, but I´ve only made it to their conference center, which is under the seats of the stadium Good enough for me!

Wanna thank all who contributed to this thread, keep the good tips and tricks coming!

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings