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I never found out if he didn't seem hppy to be there or if he was just very concentrate on his guitar .

I think it's a bit of both.

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I never found out if he didn't seem hppy to be there or if he was just very concentrate on his guitar .

I think it's a bit of both.

Mick Taylor had drug problems already, those days.
Sometimes you're up,sometimes you're down.
It's common amongst cocaine abusers.

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I never found out if he didn't seem hppy to be there or if he was just very concentrate on his guitar .

I think it's a bit of both.

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I never found out if he didn't seem hppy to be there or if he was just very concentrate on his guitar .

I think it's a bit of both.

Mick Taylor had drug problems already, those days.
Sometimes you're up,sometimes you're down.
It's common amongst cocaine abusers.

And Keith Richards didn't have drug problems during that period?????
And your point is?

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I can't find on youtube, but he's well focused playing Love in Vain. Kleermaker has it on his YT channel I think.

That's funny !you can't get rid of kleermaker,can you ?

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I can't find on youtube, but he's well focused playing Love in Vain. Kleermaker has it on his YT channel I think.

That's funny !you can't get rid of kleermaker,can you ?

Love In Vain? He's well focussed here imo. No hard drugs involved as far as I know. A great year, 1970.

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so if mick taylor was running around and solo'ing back-on-back with jagger and putting his leg up on the monitor, then that would be an indication that his relationship with the stones was great? but because he didn't do all that it means he didn't like being in the band? perhaps he was, you know....bashful?

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That Taylor's abuse was for a part the course of his behaviour. (on stage)

Richards was on a different planet already.

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Bashful? Not at all. Just a musician with a very interesting style of his own. Was Wyman even more bashful, because he moved less than Taylor did? I guess not.

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That Taylor's abuse was for a part the course of his behaviour. (on stage)

Richards was on a different planet already.

You are kidding ,right ?

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i'm surprised no taylorites have come out saying, apart from him being a guitar god, that he was a founding father of the "shoegazing" style of playing.

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Does a really good guitar player like Mick Taylor have to look at his fingers on the fretboard the entire time he is playing? Is that an "edge" he has on his playing technique?

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Does a really good guitar player like Mick Taylor have to look at his fingers on the fretboard the entire time he is playing?

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Does a really good guitar player like Mick Taylor have to look at his fingers on the fretboard the entire time he is playing?

Do you look at your wife when your making love Mitch?

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Do you mind telling me why the camera is on Mick Taylor during By Bye Johnnie? Let's face it, Mick Taylor is the anti-Chuck Berry; why do think they got rid of him?

Oh ye of little knowledge and even less taste.

"They got rid of him". You have said this twice now. Factually untrue, as everyone knows.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

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Excuse my ignorance, but how is this and Happy different from the L&G versions?

Mathijs

-Maybe I've got it all wrong, english isn't my first language -but if I understand you correctly, you don't hear and/or see the difference of the versions (of bouth Happy and All Down The Line) kleermaker posted, from the versions used in the film?

Happy in L&G comes from Fort Worth 24/6 first show, the outtake of Happy comes from Houston 25/6 first show.

All Down The Line in L&G comes from Houston 25/6 second show, and the outtake is from Houston 25/6 first show. The outtake version has a longer ending, and Jagger sings it like on Exile: "wount you get down to the other side... that's where I'll meet you"..and so one. Also compare the clothing. BTW, the audio of the end (of the alternate version) is also used in CS. Blues, but with fottage from Frisco third show I think.

-Too bad these versions weren't included on the new blu ray release -they really should have. Thanks for posting Kleermaker!

Mathijs, I know you know a lot about guitars and the Stones, but it seems you've gotta practise your classic Stones a bit

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Excuse my ignorance, but how is this and Happy different from the L&G versions?

Mathijs

-Maybe I've got it all wrong, english isn't my first language -but if I understand you correctly, you don't hear and/or see the difference of the versions (of bouth Happy and All Down The Line) kleermaker posted, from the versions used in the film?

Happy in L&G comes from Fort Worth 24/6 first show, the outtake of Happy comes from Houston 25/6 first show.

All Down The Line in L&G comes from Houston 25/6 second show, and the outtake is from Houston 25/6 first show. The outtake version has a longer ending, and Jagger sings it like on Exile: "wount you get down to the other side... that's where I'll meet you"..and so one. Also compare the clothing. BTW, the audio of the end (of the alternate version) is also used in CS. Blues, but with fottage from Frisco third show I think.

-Too bad these versions weren't included on the new blu ray release -they really should have. Thanks for posting Kleermaker!

Mathijs, I know you know a lot about guitars and the Stones, but it seems you've gotta practise your classic Stones a bit

Well, in my defense I am comparing a version I see right now before my eyes with something from memory seen last about 7 years ago.

Are the L&G versions available on youtube? I have the vid in a box on the attic somewhere....

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Well, in my defense I am comparing a version I see right now before my eyes with something from memory seen last about 7 years ago.

Are the L&G versions available on youtube? I have the vid in a box on the attic somewhere....

Mathijs

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Well, in my defense I am comparing a version I see right now before my eyes with something from memory seen last about 7 years ago.

Are the L&G versions available on youtube? I have the vid in a box on the attic somewhere....

Mathijs

...Seen last about 7 years ago (!) ...have the vid in a box on the attic somewhere..(!) Shame on you><

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Regarding: "shoegazing"

Mick Taylor can make a guitar sing like very few can. But he's no showman. There's no shame in that either. It's just not his style to work the crowd (other than by playing the snot out of his guitar). Charlie's the same way on drums. And, until 1972 Keith was the same way. From every clip of video previous to the 1972 tour, I've never seen anyone work the crowd except for Jagger (to the detriment of his vocal delivery as the tours went on). Taylor, Bill, Keith, Charlie, and Ian Stewart all just played and focused on the music. That was just their style. Taylor stared at his guitar. Keith would turn his back to the audience and look at Charlie to stay in time. At the beginning of JJF on Gimme Shelter, you can see Jagger motion to Keith to step forward on the stage, but he wouldn't do it (resulting in an amused eye roll from MJ).

As time went by, Keith and Ronnie moved out front and played to the crowd. Maybe that's better, maybe not. Your call. I like the earlier style better.

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Well....I lied just a tad....I have seen it in Amsterdam last week or so, in the cinema....It just didn't impress me in any way at all. It just didn't work for me at all.

First, I have seen it too much. I know it by heart, I have just seen it too often. For 25 years we've been seeing it, listening to it. arguing about it...and it just has past its time. Was it released in '98, when we where all still Stones crazy it would have been something else, but now in 2010....

Then, the sound wasn't any good at all. Drums and bass where loud and clear, but Richards was a mess, and Taylor just was gone from the mix. All these lovely Taylor runs at the end of TD and especially YCAGWYW, nothing could be heard. Was this done on purpose? I don't know.

It was just too late, too little. And I hated Jagger this lying bullshit interview...."I don't know what we song we ended with". Well, with the same songs you basically ended all shows from '69 to '81 maybe?

To me, the Stones are part of my past, and that's it.

Mathijs

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Well....I lied just a tad....I have seen it in Amsterdam last week or so, in the cinema....It just didn't impress me in any way at all. It just didn't work for me at all.

First, I have seen it too much. I know it by heart, I have just seen it too often. For 25 years we've been seeing it, listening to it. arguing about it...and it just has past its time. Was it released in '98, when we where all still Stones crazy it would have been something else, but now in 2010....

Then, the sound wasn't any good at all. Drums and bass where loud and clear, but Richards was a mess, and Taylor just was gone from the mix. All these lovely Taylor runs at the end of TD and especially YCAGWYW, nothing could be heard. Was this done on purpose? I don't know.

It was just too late, too little. And I hated Jagger this lying bullshit interview...."I don't know what we song we ended with". Well, with the same songs you basically ended all shows from '69 to '81 maybe?

To me, the Stones are part of my past, and that's it.

Mathijs

Imaginable.
Fortunately there are some great history books in my database.

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Do you mind telling me why the camera is on Mick Taylor during By Bye Johnnie? Let's face it, Mick Taylor is the anti-Chuck Berry; why do think they got rid of him?

Oh ye of little knowledge and even less taste.

"They got rid of him". You have said this twice now. Factually untrue, as everyone knows.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

OK, back up a second. Do you really believe MT quit on his own, rather than being squeezed out to make room for RW? Remember, KR was spending alot of time with Woody and MT was still in the band. It is always reported, and even said by band members, it was MT's decision, but...