Now that Ladies and Gentlemen is behind us, what next? Thought it kind of interesting that in the fall of 2004 'Rock and Roll Circus' did a "one night stand" in theaters across the US. The following spring (in May of '05) the Stones announced their world wide 'A Bigger Bang' tour. Just wondering if we should read anything into Thursday's world wide "one night stand" of 'Ladies and Gentlemen' as far as when the next tour announcement will come? May of 2011?

Also, when did we get the official word that the Stones were back in the studio recording a new album last time around for ABB? Or did they even make an announcement? I do not recall. Is it possible they may record in secret or can we expect some kind of official announcement?

Outside of Keith's book release I am guessing it is probably going to be "eerie calm" for a while before we get any kind of "Big News" regarding the recording of the new album, or announcement of the next tour. Any thoughts on all this?

That's just it. There's nothing. The Mick Taylor dream continues in that la la land. The only thing that's even close to believing was the Black Crowes/Tinkly Boy bit that he 'got the call'. Which really provides a stirring of Oh shit here we go AGAIN with that kind of Rolling Stones.

Other than that, nothing official other than two old movies coming out on DVD that not many people seem to give a shit about.

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That's just it. There's nothing. The Mick Taylor dream continues in that la la land. The only thing that's even close to believing was the Black Crowes/Tinkly Boy bit that he 'got the call'. Which really provides a stirring of Oh shit here we go AGAIN with that kind of Rolling Stones.

Other than that, nothing official other than two old movies coming out on DVD that not many people seem to give a shit about.

Do you think they will record a new album and tour sometime in 2011?

Yes. Charlie has already indicated that is likely to be the case.

Do I think they will? Ha ha. It doesn't matter what I think, because the truth will be what it is. If one is to believe the rumours, one might think that they are going to do something in '011.

What could they do? More archival releases. Release a single - a new single, not a new album.

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Yes. Charlie has already indicated that is likely to be the case.

Gazza,

Do you think there will be some sort of official announcement when they decide to record again or is it possible they will record in secret? Did they announce their intent to record last time out for ABB?

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Do I think they will? Ha ha. It doesn't matter what I think, because the truth will be what it is. If one is to believe the rumours, one might think that they are going to do something in '011.

What could they do? More archival releases. Release a single - a new single, not a new album.

The great thing about forums like this is that there ARE people who are interested in your opinions. Granted, our opinions probably won't alter what the Stones have planned one way or another but then that's not what were here for primarily anyway.

Historically, I don't think they've ever said much about recording an album til it was pretty much finished. Not in my era of memories anyway.

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Yes. Charlie has already indicated that is likely to be the case.

Gazza,

Do you think there will be some sort of official announcement when they decide to record again or is it possible they will record in secret? Did they announce their intent to record last time out for ABB?

They dont tend to 'announce' it, but word gets around pretty much as soon as it happens.

There were photos in circulation of Mick and Keith working on songs for ABB as early as around October 2004.

It's really hard to say. They're usually promoting something when they mention working on new material.

The Hall of Fame induction in 1989 was the opportunity to announce they were working on a new album.

WANDERING SPIRIT's delayed release gave Mick a chance to tell the press he couldn't tour because he was going to be writing a new album with Keith.

There was an actual press release in November 1996 confirming they were recording a new album and touring Fall 1997.

I believe Mick was interviewed at a cricket match by the BBC in 2001 when he confirmed the Stones were doing something the following year.

Mick was promoting ALFIE when he mentioned working with Keith and Don Was on new songs and discussing Charlie's health.

Ever since Keith's remarks that he's trying to see if they're ready to work have been about as meaningful as that elusive third studio album from the Winos.

All the same, indications are that they are working in November. I really wonder if Ronnie will still tour with The Faces in January or if it will fall by the wayside since he'll do his solo shows next month and then jump back to the Stones.

If his contributions to ABB are any yardstick, there should be no reason why Ronnie can't do a Faces tour either side of working on a Stones record.

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If his contributions to ABB are any yardstick, there should be no reason why Ronnie can't do a Faces tour either side of working on a Stones record.

lol... and painting the house, mowing the lawn...

actually, if the songwriting on ABB is any indication, mick & keith could probably schedule themselves tightly around the recording session as well.



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Historically, I don't think they've ever said much about recording an album til it was pretty much finished. Not in my era of memories anyway.

Well, rumours and launched informations have always been part of the Stones' game.

In fact they have always worked with those infos and sources to generate curiosity and interest to their projects.

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The great thing about forums like this is that there ARE people who are interested in your opinions. Granted, our opinions probably won't alter what the Stones have planned one way or another but then that's not what were here for primarily anyway.

Well, that's cool. I really don't know what to think. It seems to be pretty much agreed that if they do anything at all it will be the usual, which I'm guessing was cemented with the Steel Wheels album and tour as far as when what is done and started.

Based on what Mick said, no tour this year, that next year there will be something. And everyone knows it's getting close to the end. What they do won't really change their history - ha ha - just their bank accounts!

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Yes. Charlie has already indicated that is likely to be the case.

Gazza,

Do you think there will be some sort of official announcement when they decide to record again or is it possible they will record in secret? Did they announce their intent to record last time out for ABB?

They dont tend to 'announce' it, but word gets around pretty much as soon as it happens.

There were photos in circulation of Mick and Keith working on songs for ABB as early as around October 2004.

Thanks. Sounds like they really don't care one way or another if the information is leaked, not that they could do much about it anyway I suppose short of leaving the planet to record. Would be cool if they filmed the recording sessions since it very well could be the last album they ever do as the Rolling Stones. I have a feeling once they are done for good Mick is going to carry on with his solo career most likely with younger musicians much like McCartney is doing these days.

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The great thing about forums like this is that there ARE people who are interested in your opinions. Granted, our opinions probably won't alter what the Stones have planned one way or another but then that's not what were here for primarily anyway.

Well, that's cool. I really don't know what to think. It seems to be pretty much agreed that if they do anything at all it will be the usual, which I'm guessing was cemented with the Steel Wheels album and tour as far as when what is done and started.

Based on what Mick said, no tour this year, that next year there will be something. And everyone knows it's getting close to the end. What they do won't really change their history - ha ha - just their bank accounts!

I can't speak for them, however, if it was me, (and I was as wealthy as these guys are reported to be) I think I would be thinking more in terms of my legacy at this stage of my career rather than viewing another album, tour, etc., as primarily just another cash cow.

The main knock on the Stones over the last decade (or decades) is that, yeah, they are a great live act but are no longer capable or lack inspiration to write and produce great music that is relevant. You would think if they had any pride at all that their primary focus would be to write and produce one last great album to ride off into the sunset with?

We, (you and I) have discussed this before and not only you but others have made the point that they are now (or always have been) primarily (if not solely) "in it" for the money. I must admit that the examples you and others have given to support your case has caused me to call into question my own belief that these guys (the Stones) do it primarily because they love doing it and the money is only frosting on the cake. Having said that, I honestly think they tried to make a great album with ABB, however, (at least in my opinion) they just flat out came up short. The good news is that they made a nice recovery with the ten old/new Exile tracks which gives me hope that at least next time around they will get it right.

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Historically, I don't think they've ever said much about recording an album til it was pretty much finished. Not in my era of memories anyway.

Well, rumours and launched informations have always been part of the Stones' game.

In fact they have always worked with those infos and sources to generate curiosity and interest to their projects.

True, as frustrating as it is for us fans you have to give Mick credit he really knows how to build the drama. Tease us, then ultimately please us, I suppose. He must be hell in between the sheets!

If the Stones released a single in '011 that had the impact of Start Me Up would it be "relevant"? What makes a song or album relevant?

I've never understood the whole relevance thing. Either it's good or bad, memorable or forgettable, timeless or a waste of time.

Overall, anyway.

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If the Stones released a single in '011 that had the impact of Start Me Up would it be "relevant"? What makes a song or album relevant?

I've never understood the whole relevance thing. Either it's good or bad, memorable or forgettable, timeless or a waste of time.

Overall, anyway.

i thought it was just me-what a bullshit word,"relevant" the stones were making something like $9 million a night on tour and critics were saying they werent "relevant'

i was thinking "exactly how are you jackasses keeping score? you're making $9 million a night but 16 year old girls dont like you,you're not "relevant"

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Now that Ladies and Gentlemen is behind us, what next?

Ask Ronnie, he keeps them alive.

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If the Stones released a single in '011 that had the impact of Start Me Up would it be "relevant"? What makes a song or album relevant?

I've never understood the whole relevance thing. Either it's good or bad, memorable or forgettable, timeless or a waste of time.

Overall, anyway.

The critics seem to have a love affair going with the words relevant and irrelevant. No doubt if the Stones produced a hit single they would suddenly become relevant once again in the eyes of the majority of the so called critics. Some thought they had once again become relevant with ABB.

My guess is that when they use the word relevant what they are really saying is "currently popular" among the vast majority of pop/rock music listeners/consumers which I am guessing consist of teenyboppers and young men and women in their twenties?

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Now that Ladies and Gentlemen is behind us, what next? Thought it kind of interesting that in the fall of 2004 'Rock and Roll Circus' did a "one night stand" in theaters across the US. The following spring (in May of '05) the Stones announced their world wide 'A Bigger Bang' tour. Just wondering if we should read anything into Thursday's world wide "one night stand" of 'Ladies and Gentlemen' as far as when the next tour announcement will come? May of 2011?

Also, when did we get the official word that the Stones were back in the studio recording a new album last time around for ABB? Or did they even make an announcement? I do not recall. Is it possible they may record in secret or can we expect some kind of official announcement?

Outside of Keith's book release I am guessing it is probably going to be "eerie calm" for a while before we get any kind of "Big News" regarding the recording of the new album, or announcement of the next tour. Any thoughts on all this?

Listen to yaya's or exile.
You'll be fine.

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If the Stones released a single in '011 that had the impact of Start Me Up would it be "relevant"? What makes a song or album relevant?

I've never understood the whole relevance thing. Either it's good or bad, memorable or forgettable, timeless or a waste of time.

Overall, anyway.

i thought it was just me-what a bullshit word,"relevant" the stones were making something like $9 million a night on tour and critics were saying they werent "relevant'

i was thinking "exactly how are you jackasses keeping score? you're making $9 million a night but 16 year old girls dont like you,you're not "relevant"

Exactly! Now ABB is beginning to make sense to me! The vast majority of the songs seem to have been geared towards the teenyboppers-very simple songs in nature. If memory serves me correctly some of the critics were saying (upon it's release) it was the best collection of songs the Stones had released in decades. So maybe prior to ABB the critics viewed them as irrelevant? I don't know, I am getting more confused the further along I go here. I do know one thing, ABB is my least favorite Stones album.

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If the Stones released a single in '011 that had the impact of Start Me Up would it be "relevant"? What makes a song or album relevant?

I've never understood the whole relevance thing. Either it's good or bad, memorable or forgettable, timeless or a waste of time.

Overall, anyway.

i thought it was just me-what a bullshit word,"relevant" the stones were making something like $9 million a night on tour and critics were saying they werent "relevant'

i was thinking "exactly how are you jackasses keeping score? you're making $9 million a night but 16 year old girls dont like you,you're not "relevant"

Exactly! Now ABB is beginning to make sense to me! The vast majority of the songs seem to have been geared towards the teenyboppers-very simple songs in nature. If memory serves me correctly some of the critics were saying (upon it's release) it was the best collection of songs the Stones had released in decades. So maybe prior to ABB the critics viewed them as irrelevant? I don't know, I am getting more confused the further along I go here. I do know one thing, ABB is my least favorite Stones album.

Hope I didn't offend any teenagers on the list? Must be a few.

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The great thing about forums like this is that there ARE people who are interested in your opinions. Granted, our opinions probably won't alter what the Stones have planned one way or another but then that's not what were here for primarily anyway.

Well, that's cool. I really don't know what to think. It seems to be pretty much agreed that if they do anything at all it will be the usual, which I'm guessing was cemented with the Steel Wheels album and tour as far as when what is done and started.

Based on what Mick said, no tour this year, that next year there will be something. And everyone knows it's getting close to the end. What they do won't really change their history - ha ha - just their bank accounts!

I can't speak for them, however, if it was me, (and I was as wealthy as these guys are reported to be) I think I would be thinking more in terms of my legacy at this stage of my career rather than viewing another album, tour, etc., as primarily just another cash cow.

The main knock on the Stones over the last decade (or decades) is that, yeah, they are a great live act but are no longer capable or lack inspiration to write and produce great music that is relevant. You would think if they had any pride at all that their primary focus would be to write and produce one last great album to ride off into the sunset with?

We, (you and I) have discussed this before and not only you but others have made the point that they are now (or always have been) primarily (if not solely) "in it" for the money. I must admit that the examples you and others have given to support your case has caused me to call into question my own belief that these guys (the Stones) do it primarily because they love doing it and the money is only frosting on the cake. Having said that, I honestly think they tried to make a great album with ABB, however, (at least in my opinion) they just flat out came up short. The good news is that they made a nice recovery with the ten old/new Exile tracks which gives me hope that at least next time around they will get it right.

Get it right??? They've gotten it right for so many years-historically speaking. Not saying I disagree, but expecting Exile II is pretty far fetched, not to mention pushing every envelope of absurdity...

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The great thing about forums like this is that there ARE people who are interested in your opinions. Granted, our opinions probably won't alter what the Stones have planned one way or another but then that's not what were here for primarily anyway.

Well, that's cool. I really don't know what to think. It seems to be pretty much agreed that if they do anything at all it will be the usual, which I'm guessing was cemented with the Steel Wheels album and tour as far as when what is done and started.

Based on what Mick said, no tour this year, that next year there will be something. And everyone knows it's getting close to the end. What they do won't really change their history - ha ha - just their bank accounts!

I can't speak for them, however, if it was me, (and I was as wealthy as these guys are reported to be) I think I would be thinking more in terms of my legacy at this stage of my career rather than viewing another album, tour, etc., as primarily just another cash cow.

The main knock on the Stones over the last decade (or decades) is that, yeah, they are a great live act but are no longer capable or lack inspiration to write and produce great music that is relevant. You would think if they had any pride at all that their primary focus would be to write and produce one last great album to ride off into the sunset with?

We, (you and I) have discussed this before and not only you but others have made the point that they are now (or always have been) primarily (if not solely) "in it" for the money. I must admit that the examples you and others have given to support your case has caused me to call into question my own belief that these guys (the Stones) do it primarily because they love doing it and the money is only frosting on the cake. Having said that, I honestly think they tried to make a great album with ABB, however, (at least in my opinion) they just flat out came up short. The good news is that they made a nice recovery with the ten old/new Exile tracks which gives me hope that at least next time around they will get it right.

Get it right??? They've gotten it right for so many years-historically speaking. Not saying I disagree, but expecting Exile II is pretty far fetched, not to mention pushing every envelope of absurdity...

I think they have at least a few great albums left in them. None of them necessarily have to be Exile II, however, this is the time of their lives where they should be excelling at song writing not regressing. It's not really a matter of talent, (they still have plenty) it is more a matter of direction. The more I think about it, and as much as I dislike ABB, (not my style) it did succeed to a degree in the sense that they set out to make a record that would appeal primarily to today's younger generation of music listeners/consumers. Even many of the critics praised it. For me, (as a sixty year old) I would like to see them close out their careers in more the style of a Bob Dylan or a Neil Young, for example.

'A few great albums left in them'?

The band's average age is 66. They've made four albums in the last 25 years. A period which spans more than half of their entire career. Even their solo output (previously used as an excuse to not making new Stones music or offered as an alternative) has dried up.

Where are these 'few' albums going to come from? Sales of new music are in the toilet and they generate most of their revenue from touring.

Hard to make 'a few great albums' when they have zero motivation to create them in the first place.

Its wishful thinking to want them to be like artists of similar vintage like Dylan, Neil Young, Springsteen, etc. Those guys, while its naive to think they're in it for purely altruistic reasons, are still largely artistically driven, both in terms of writing new and varied material and in developing and re-creating themselves as performing artists.

The Stones aren't. The songs performed on the next tour will be played in the same arrangements they have been for the last 30 years and with the same backing musicians and if they release a new record to coincide with the tour, the lack of songs performed from it will be evidence enough that the motivation for writing the songs to begin with are primarily done to 'justify' a tour more than as some kind of artistic statement.

They're coasting, and have been for a long time. If they can coast and at the same time make a lot of money, thats precisely what they'll do. Nothing more.

Gazza's comments are sadly true...

..But folks are entitled to dream ;^)

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'A few great albums left in them'?

The band's average age is 66. They've made four albums in the last 25 years. A period which spans more than half of their entire career. Even their solo output (previously used as an excuse to not making new Stones music or offered as an alternative) has dried up.

Where are these 'few' albums going to come from? Sales of new music are in the toilet and they generate most of their revenue from touring.

Hard to make 'a few great albums' when they have zero motivation to create them in the first place.

Its wishful thinking to want them to be like artists of similar vintage like Dylan, Neil Young, Springsteen, etc. Those guys, while its naive to think they're in it for purely altruistic reasons, are still largely artistically driven, both in terms of writing new and varied material and in developing and re-creating themselves as performing artists.

The Stones aren't. The songs performed on the next tour will be played in the same arrangements they have been for the last 30 years and with the same backing musicians and if they release a new record to coincide with the tour, the lack of songs performed from it will be evidence enough that the motivation for writing the songs to begin with are primarily done to 'justify' a tour more than as some kind of artistic statement.

They're coasting, and have been for a long time. If they can coast and at the same time make a lot of money, thats precisely what they'll do. Nothing more.

Gazza,

Theoretically three, more realistically one, for all the reasons you stated. Granted, it is probably wishful thinking on my part to think that they are suddenly going to become more "artistically driven" rather than "event driven". I would like to believe that at some point in the not to distant future (after the next tour) that their priorities will change and they will become more artistically ambitious, although I must admit their window of opportunity is growing narrower by the day. I will be extremely disappointed in them if they continue producing music that is primarily geared for teenagers and young men and young women in their early twenties. They have so much more to offer.

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Gazza's comments are sadly true...

..But folks are entitled to dream ;^)

Yes, Gazza is the best at bringing some of us dreamers back to reality, although sometimes, I actually kind of enjoy myself out here in dreamland! Sometimes the cold hard truth is just to painful to deal with.