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So you think the Stones heard Velvet's Lady Godiva before it came out and this inspired them to make Gomper? Because it came out after TSMR.
Satisfied and trying...
Try the other way around. Going Home is early Doors
There's real horns on some tracks.
Played by Brian?
Probably the soprano on Citadel, but the rest, eg on The Lantern, most likely by session cats.
That would be very interesting . Those songs redone outside the "hippy drippy" context of the day.
Would they stand up differently ?
I have to admit that , for me, the biggest problem with TSMR is that whatever system or playback device I've used...it's sounded horrible !
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
It's the sound of the album I've never been able to get on with.
With few exceptions the instrumental timbre is thin, harsh and strident in the extreme.
I know that some of it is kind of intentional ...but I just don't like it.
Yeah, it is kind of spikey.
Great songwriting especially in She's A Rainbow, such a beautiful pop-song.
And as far as sound is concerned: Keith really letting his chords ring, especially in Citadel.
Those two songs are the best of the album, I think.
But you're right, Sing This All Together (both versions) and Gomper (after the first okayish 3 minutes), and On With The Show, make the albums as a whole unlistenable. I wish it was possible to somehow cut out those songs from the CD.
Between The Buttons is much worse, because although there is nothing really embarrassing on it, it's all mediocre, third-rate pop-music I really don't like. If I want early 60s pop-music, I prefer Revolver by the Beatles (skipping at least 3 or 4 songs).
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: January 22, 2018 16:13
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The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
So you think the Stones heard Velvet's Lady Godiva before it came out and this inspired them to make Gomper? Because it came out after TSMR.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 22, 2018 17:06
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Silver DaggerQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
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matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
Stylistically or musically?
What about financially, sexually or philosophically?
Satisfied and trying...
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: January 22, 2018 17:49
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Silver DaggerQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
RedhotcarpetQuote
matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
Stylistically or musically?
What about financially, sexually or philosophically?
Satisfied and trying...
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Witness
()
Date: January 22, 2018 19:37
One trivial point may be to hint at the contrast, sometimes even difference, between being inspired and following some other band's or musicians' example. The latter often gives a taste of copying to a large extent.
My favourite example, mentionned by me before, is what I once read in the distant past. Someone, I don't remember who or in which context, presented the view that "2000 Light Years from Home" was to be inspired by a song by the Byrds, "C.T.A.-102". If the claim really is valid, it would illustrate how much the Stones in that case were inspired, and at the same time how little they "followed" an example. In other words, how much the song was an outcome of their own creation.
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My favourite example, mentionned by me before, is what I once read in the distant past. Someone, I don't remember who or in which context, presented the view that "2000 Light Years from Home" was to be inspired by a song by the Byrds, "C.T.A.-102". If the claim really is valid, it would illustrate how much the Stones in that case were inspired, and at the same time how little they "followed" an example. In other words, how much the song was an outcome of their own creation.
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Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: January 22, 2018 20:26
I very much agree with Christgau's take on the album.
Sure - much of the production is messy. They were stoned, there was no one tucking them in at night anymore. And while throwing artists into the fire can often bring out wonderful results, Charlie Watts was never made for Sarod/ Tabla groove.
Everything about the album says 'time capsule'.
But the core songs have held up very well through the years. Most of them are not so well produced. The Stones didn't have George Martin. So when it came around for them to want horns or strings we got shrill, wobbly charts.
Besides the obvious front-runners, I'd say that "Lantern', '2000 Man', the song section of 'Gomper', and especially 'On with the Show' are excellent songs.
Now, that would be an interesting experiment: to take that album, strip it down and do it over.
Sure - much of the production is messy. They were stoned, there was no one tucking them in at night anymore. And while throwing artists into the fire can often bring out wonderful results, Charlie Watts was never made for Sarod/ Tabla groove.
Everything about the album says 'time capsule'.
But the core songs have held up very well through the years. Most of them are not so well produced. The Stones didn't have George Martin. So when it came around for them to want horns or strings we got shrill, wobbly charts.
Besides the obvious front-runners, I'd say that "Lantern', '2000 Man', the song section of 'Gomper', and especially 'On with the Show' are excellent songs.
Now, that would be an interesting experiment: to take that album, strip it down and do it over.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 22, 2018 22:54
The sax was mellotron, too?
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: January 22, 2018 23:22
no and i never said that.Quote
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The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
So you think the Stones heard Velvet's Lady Godiva before it came out and this inspired them to make Gomper? Because it came out after TSMR.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: January 22, 2018 23:24
Both.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
RedhotcarpetQuote
matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
Stylistically or musically?
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 22, 2018 23:54
Quote
RedhotcarpetBoth.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
RedhotcarpetQuote
matxil
The first part is not so bad, but the melody is very very similar to Lady Godiva's Operation from Velvet Underground. Which was recorded in September 1967, but came out January 1968, according to wikipedia. TSMR was recorded from Feb - Oct 1967, and came out December 1967.
Is it possible both bands came up with the same melody around the same time? Maybe the roots of the melody lie in some obscure Tibetan folkband everyone has forgotten about but was all the rage at that time? Or did the Velvet Underground hear Gomper before it was published?
Or is it all just my imagination, running away with me?
Stones were following Velvet Doors Traffic Winwood closely, evident in 1968/1969
Stylistically or musically?
Try the other way around. Going Home is early Doors
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: January 26, 2018 06:39
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DandelionPowderman
The sax was mellotron, too?
There's real horns on some tracks.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 26, 2018 07:24
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His MajestyQuote
DandelionPowderman
The sax was mellotron, too?
There's real horns on some tracks.
Played by Brian?
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: January 26, 2018 07:33
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DandelionPowderman
Played by Brian?
Probably the soprano on Citadel, but the rest, eg on The Lantern, most likely by session cats.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: February 13, 2019 14:42
A quick blast of Gomper using my electric dulcimer and the backing from one of the many out takes...
video: [www.youtube.com]
video: [www.youtube.com]
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
RollingFreak
()
Date: February 14, 2019 07:04
A decent song until its not.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: February 14, 2019 08:34
Yeah nice work HM... youre a talented lad …
take a bow...
ROCKMAN
take a bow...
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: February 14, 2019 16:55
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Palace Revolution 2000
... Now, that would be an interesting experiment: to take that album, strip it down and do it over.
That would be very interesting . Those songs redone outside the "hippy drippy" context of the day.
Would they stand up differently ?
I have to admit that , for me, the biggest problem with TSMR is that whatever system or playback device I've used...it's sounded horrible !
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: February 14, 2019 18:03
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Spud
I have to admit that , for me, the biggest problem with TSMR is that whatever system or playback device I've used...it's sounded horrible !
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: February 20, 2019 23:31
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His MajestyQuote
Spud
I have to admit that , for me, the biggest problem with TSMR is that whatever system or playback device I've used...it's sounded horrible !
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: February 21, 2019 00:02
Heck Spud … you should meet Eleanor
She doesn't like anyone or anything ….
ROCKMAN
She doesn't like anyone or anything ….
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: February 21, 2019 10:19
It's the sound of the album I've never been able to get on with.
With few exceptions the instrumental timbre is thin, harsh and strident in the extreme.
I know that some of it is kind of intentional ...but I just don't like it.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: February 21, 2019 10:50
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GasLightStreet
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: February 21, 2019 10:51
Quote
Spud
It's the sound of the album I've never been able to get on with.
With few exceptions the instrumental timbre is thin, harsh and strident in the extreme.
I know that some of it is kind of intentional ...but I just don't like it.
Yeah, it is kind of spikey.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Swayed1967
()
Date: February 21, 2019 10:54
Gomper and Sing This All Together for 8 pointless minutes mar what is otherwise quite a strong album. Even with the 2 aforementioned clunkers, the FACT is TSMR is still light years ahead of Between the Buttons in terms of songwriting – it was a giant leap forward for Keith and his band. As easy as it is to criticize this record, that fact shouldn’t be denied.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: February 21, 2019 12:19
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Swayed1967
Gomper and Sing This All Together for 8 pointless minutes mar what is otherwise quite a strong album. Even with the 2 aforementioned clunkers, the FACT is TSMR is still light years ahead of Between the Buttons in terms of songwriting – it was a giant leap forward for Keith and his band. As easy as it is to criticize this record, that fact shouldn’t be denied.
Great songwriting especially in She's A Rainbow, such a beautiful pop-song.
And as far as sound is concerned: Keith really letting his chords ring, especially in Citadel.
Those two songs are the best of the album, I think.
But you're right, Sing This All Together (both versions) and Gomper (after the first okayish 3 minutes), and On With The Show, make the albums as a whole unlistenable. I wish it was possible to somehow cut out those songs from the CD.
Between The Buttons is much worse, because although there is nothing really embarrassing on it, it's all mediocre, third-rate pop-music I really don't like. If I want early 60s pop-music, I prefer Revolver by the Beatles (skipping at least 3 or 4 songs).
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: February 21, 2019 12:33
The mistake many people make with this album is to view it as something that should feature a definite Stones sound. Wrong.
This was a time of great sonic adventure both in terms of new and unusual instruments being brought to the studio but also a widening of possibilities in the recording process.
It is a one off experiment in sound: tuneful, melodic, daring, beautiful, scary, harsh, poetic, child-like and revealing a more feminine side of the Stones where they put their usual strong, dominant, chauvinism to rest, albeit briefly.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-02-21 12:34 by Silver Dagger.
This was a time of great sonic adventure both in terms of new and unusual instruments being brought to the studio but also a widening of possibilities in the recording process.
It is a one off experiment in sound: tuneful, melodic, daring, beautiful, scary, harsh, poetic, child-like and revealing a more feminine side of the Stones where they put their usual strong, dominant, chauvinism to rest, albeit briefly.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-02-21 12:34 by Silver Dagger.
Re: Track Talk: Gomper
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: February 21, 2019 12:37
I don't know if much good came out of Satanic Majesties. We had a go at anything we wanted to do - and most of the time we did it ourselves... In those days if you wanted a tabla you had to try and play the thing, which is what we all did. Mick would be banging away on something, I'd be banging something. It was, Let's play this song all together. It was actually a lot of fun rather than a musical revolution.
- Charlie Watts, 2003
- Charlie Watts, 2003
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