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You don't think Chuck Berry was performing for the camera?

Nope. They're in the moment. Chuck wants this "riff master" to get the riff right. That's all. as he says, "You wanna play it right, play it right."

It's serious tension between them (and the band is like "hmmm I'm staying outta this one" ). No one calls out Keith Richards on his guitar playing. But why should Chuck Berry sit on his hands and let Keith be a prima donna about it? Chuck don't care who Keith supposedly is. And, if you watch, at one point Keith does have a little tiny meltdown (mad at himself because he keeps focking it up - he does want to get it right and he's not accustomed to anyone criticizing his playing - but man wrote the riff, so Keith has got to respect that, and Keith knows that).

When Keith finally does get it, Chuck is clearly ecstatic! They're both having sheer-assed fun after that point. All negative tension dispelled, just the last vestiges of creative tension remain and they roar through the rest of the song.

Another jab--now impish, however--is when Chuck Berry sings "Y'all can't dance - I know you wish you could!" And Keith glares at him, and says something through mock-gnashed teeth.



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My understanding is that Chuck Berry has always had a chip on his shoulder regarding the Rolling Stones, which is completely unjustified.

.. not just against the stones, against black musicians getting ripped off generally, and against white guys playing their music getting famous and rich

read his bio; it's all about racism in the US in those days, not only racism against black musicians /credit/airplay etc, - but societal in general - and chuck aint no dummy, and he pulls no punches, and its a hell of an interesting read



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Keith thinks it's all a hoot. Chuck Berry is taking it very seriously, he may be smiling, but I think he is angry about something.



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My understanding is that Chuck Berry has always had a chip on his shoulder regarding the Rolling Stones, which is completely unjustified.

.. not just against the stones, against black musicians getting ripped off generally, and against white guys playing their music getting famous and rich

read his bio; it's all about racism in the US in those days, not only racism against black musicians /credit/airplay etc, - but societal in general - and chuck aint no dummy, and he pulls no punches, and its a hell of an interesting read

Fine. But if he wants to be "racial" about it, let's not forget that the electric guitar was invented by a white man. I don't like to think in those terms, because I see it as American music.



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yeah chuck is just a bitter old fool, its funny because keith is playing it arguably better than chuck and chuck just keeps nit picking just to bust keiths chops and try to humiliate him, what a tool

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Fine. But if he wants to be "racial" about it, let's not forget that the electric guitar was invented by a white man. I don't like to think in those terms, because I see it as American music.

.. didnt now this topic was already raised (relatively new reading this place) but what the f*ck difference does it make what colour a guy invented the electric guitar ?

chuck's always' been angry, about the black guy being ripped off as the white guy gets rich playing their music, and he aint the only one

On another note, when I watch this, I'm impressed by what a serious musician Keith still was at this point in his career.

I think Chuck could rightly be angry at some, but not at Keith, unless it is about Keith standing up for Johnnie Johnson.

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Fine. But if he wants to be "racial" about it, let's not forget that the electric guitar was invented by a white man. I don't like to think in those terms, because I see it as American music.

.. didnt now this topic was already raised (relatively new reading this place) but what the f*ck difference does it make what colour a guy invented the electric guitar ?

chuck's always' been angry, about the black guy being ripped off as the white guy gets rich playing their music, and he aint the only one

It's quite ironic about Chuck Berry, because apparently he spent his entire life ripping off another black man, Johnnie Johnson. I don't consider Blues or Jazz music to be "black music" but it is American music. The blues was developed not in Africa but in the middle and southern United States, and was subject to white country and folk music traditions along with black music traditions.

If Chuck Berry and others are saying that black people somehow own blues music, I would have to disagree. Indeed, Chuck Berry's first major hit Maybelline was described by Johnnie Johnson as a being based on a (white) "hillbilly song".



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Chuck Berry wins suit, Blames Keith Richards

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Oct 23th / 2002

By Peter Shinkle

Rock'n'roll legend Chuck Berry has won his court dispute with piano player Johnnie Johnson, who claimed he helped write such classics as "Roll Over Beethoven" and deserved a share of the royalties.

U.S. District Judge Donald Stohr on Monday dismissed Johnson's suit in St. Louis on the grounds that too many years had passed since the more than 30 songs in dispute were written, between 1955 and 1966.

There was no question that the men had played together for years, but Berry simply asserted that he alone authored the songs.

Martin Green, attorney for Berry, said that the superstar, who is now 76 and lives in Ladue, has no hard feelings for Johnson, 77.

"He likes him very much, considers him a friend, and expects to play with him in the future", Green said.

"He doesn't blame Johnnie for the lawsuit. He blames some of Johnnie's advisers", Green added. Specifically, Green said, Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones and bluesman Bo Diddley recommended that Johnson pursue the case.

Mitch Margo, attorney for Johnson, said his client had not decided yet whether to appeal.

The songs under dispute include such classics as "Rock and Roll Music" and "Sweet Little Sixteen".

Normally, the statute of limitations to seek royalty claims under the federal Copyright Act is three years.

But in the suit, Margo claimed that Johnson was so addled by excessive alcohol abuse and a low IQ that he was incapable of understanding that he had a right to royalties that Berry collected for decades after the songs were written.

Johnson claimed in a deposition during the case that he gave up drinking after a 1989 incident in which he drank excessively during a concert with Eric Clapton in London. He got a nosebleed that lasted all the way back to St. Louis. "Johnnie is a man who is a genius at the piano but has trouble doing other things", Margo said Tuesday.

In his 19-page order dismissing the case, Judge Stohr said that "during his 70+ years, Mr. Johnson has lived independently and been generally competent to manage his affairs unassisted". The judge noted that Johnson bought cars, rented apartments, read the newspaper and managed his own finances.

In the end, the judge said he was "unpersuaded" that Johnson was not competent to recognize his rights. In dismissing the case, he also threw out Berry's own challenge to Johnson's trademark of the phrase "The Father of Rock and Roll". Berry failed to pursue the claim in court, the judge said.

its a grat clip but I am not going to get in this one AGAIN!!

I think this has turned into a MitchFlorida performing for the thread over something that isn't true to begin with.

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I think this has turned into a MitchFlorida performing for the thread over something that isn't true to begin with.

I honestly don't know what you are talking about. The article above is straight from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.


And anyone who can't see that Chuck Berry is being hostile towards Keith in the clip posted has to be blind.

I just finished watching the internet version of "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones." This was filmed during the Stone's triumphant 1972 American tour, featuring Keith Richards and Mick Taylor on guitar.

They really do a fantastic version of Bye,Bye Johnny . . the famous Chuck Berry song.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AFTER THE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN CHUCK BERRY AND KEITH RICHARDS THAT I HAVE POSTED HERE, the Rolling Stones stopped played Chuck Berry songs at their live concerts. Is this true or false? And please back it up with the facts. I need to get this settled once and for all.

There also appears to have been a change in attitude, especially regarding Keith advising Johnnie Johnson to sue Chuck Berry over the songwriting credits. Was this also spurred by Keith Richards good-hearted effort to honor Chuck Berry being met by some condescending behavior by Chuck Berry?



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hail hail rock and roll came out in 1986.TWENTY FOUR YEARS AGO .

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hail hail rock and roll came out in 1986.TWENTY FOUR YEARS AGO .

I am asking if the Stones played any Chuck Berry songs at their live concerts after 1987.



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It's just that two alpha males collide. Nothing more and nothing less. It happens all the time.

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I just finished watching the internet version of "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones." This was filmed during the Stone's triumphant 1972 American tour, featuring Keith Richards and Mick Taylor on guitar.

They really do a fantastic version of Bye,Bye Johnny . . the famous Chuck Berry song.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AFTER THE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN CHUCK BERRY AND KEITH RICHARDS THAT I HAVE POSTED HERE, the Rolling Stones stopped played Chuck Berry songs at their live concerts. Is this true or false? And please back it up with the facts. I need to get this settled once and for all.

There also appears to have been a change in attitude, especially regarding Keith advising Johnnie Johnson to sue Chuck Berry over the songwriting credits. Was this also spurred by Keith Richards good-hearted effort to honor Chuck Berry being met by some condescending behavior by Chuck Berry?

OH MY GOD THE ROLLING STONES HAVEN'T PLAYED A CHUCK BERRY SONG BECAUSE CHUCK GOT MAD AT KEITH! THIS MUST BE WHY!

True or false: MitchFlorida is an ignorant twat.

You're so good at finding all this old shit and revising the history of the Stones, do your own search you lazy bitch. Answer your own questions and stop clogging up the thoroughfare. Goddamn. Should change your name to E.B. Farnum. You sound like a motherfucking teenager asking stupid questions because you're too stupid to pay attention.

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hail hail rock and roll came out in 1986.TWENTY FOUR YEARS AGO .

I am asking if the Stones played any Chuck Berry songs at their live concerts after 1987.

Yes. Little Queenie was played regularly in 1997-98.

They stopped playing it at televised/PPV shows on that tour though - because Chuck was asking what were deemed to be excessive amounts for royalties.

They havent played a Chuck Berry song in concert since.

If there's a failure to play Chuck songs, it has f*** all to do with an argument with one band member preserved on celluloid at a rehearsal a quarter of a century ago.



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hail hail rock and roll came out in 1986.TWENTY FOUR YEARS AGO .

I am asking if the Stones played any Chuck Berry songs at their live concerts after 1987.

Yes. Little Queenie was played regularly in 1997-98.

They stopped playing it at televised/PPV shows on that tour though - because Chuck was asking what were deemed to be excessive amounts for royalties.

They havent played a Chuck Berry song in concert since.

That's the information that I was looking for. Thanks. I doubt if Keith and Chuck Berry are on good terms now, but I might be wrong, hope I am wrong on that. I know CB was furious at Keith for egging Johnnie Johnson on to file a lawsuit against him.

Hopefully that is water under the bridge. . it's not like they live next door to each other.