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Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: johnnythunders ()
Date: June 23, 2010 11:53

Good new article in Crawdaddy. Read it here:

www.crawdaddy.com/index.php/2010/06/16/origin-of-song-behind-the-rolling-stones-loving-cup

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: June 23, 2010 11:56

At first I was a little bent out of shape when I read this claim made by New York Times reporter Ben Ratliff: “A lesser known version of the Rolling Stones‘ ‘Loving Cup’, found on the bonus disc of the new reissue of the band’s 1972 album Exile on Main Street, seems to me the best thing the Stones ever did,” he wrote in the paper’s May 23rd edition. Say what? Based on that personal assessment, dyed-in-indigo-denim rock fans like myself may’ve found themselves wondering what records Ratliff’s been listening to all these years. The tastemaker’s taste betrays not only his limited devotion to rock and the Rolling Stones, but to the sacred cow that is Exile on Main Street. What? No time for “I Just Want to See His Face”, “Torn and Frayed”, “Sweet Virginia”, “Happy”, “Ventilator Blues”, or “All Down the Line” from Exile? Not a whole lotta love for “Child of the Moon”, “Dead Flowers”, “Sway”, “You Got the Silver”, or, like, the 100 or so other titles that have earned their stripes and rights as cult favorites of Stones’ fans through the years?

And yet, the criticman, he don’t lie when he pulls “Loving Cup” off the shelf as a contender for possible bests: Pointing toward the space—the place where all involved feel their way through the parts—in the alternate take of “Loving Cup”, Ratliff once again connects the values of jazz (his area of expertise) and the way each member of the band owns his part, contributing to the whole song and album’s genius. But in the case of “Loving Cup”, the Stones had a lot to work with: Bringing more than innate feel and a decent melody to the session, they loaded up their song with deep blues origins, the kind they’ve always been known for favoring but some of which have gone undetected ‘til now (which is where I come in). There’s a whole wide world of blues and rock stashed in “Loving Cup”’s crazy backwards lick and drunk on love invitation to come on up.


This is where things get a little complicated so you’ll have to bear with me here: If it’s possible to isolate what makes “Loving Cup” (studio version) all that, it is probably its rhythms, especially the way the guitar—sometimes dueling, other times singular—falls in, as do the other instruments, to its own beat. It’s the chinka chinka chink (gimme-little-drink) sound of Jesse Ed Davis’ guitar on Taj Mahal’s version of “Leaving Trunk” that you can partially thank for that. And just to further backtrack, without the Sleepy John Estes song “Milk Cow Blues”, Mahal’s “Leaving Trunk” would not exist. Now, “Milk Cow Blues” is a song that’s proven so irresistible to musicians that’s it’s been covered almost as many times as “Hey Joe” has. Though when I say “Milk Cow”, you may think the Elvis Presley version of “Milk Cow Blues Boogie” by Kokomo Arnold—a song covered by artists from here to eternity (like Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, Doc Watson and Willie Nelson, and Eddie Cochran). And yes, some of that song carries over, but by the time the Kinks, Aerosmith, and the Flamin’ Groovies got to tearing it up, all references to milk and butter products were gone, leaving the emphasis on things that happen, when that evening sun goes down. It’s the loving, the cheating, and the leaving that results from it that are the elements that rise to the top of the Sleepy John Estes’ version of “Milk Cow Blues”, which also exchanges the dairy for an emphasis on packing up a leavin’ trunk and getting drunk in the face of all the mean mistreating and dirty blues dealing going down.


Now, I went upstairs to pack my leavin’ trunk
I never saw no whiskey
The blues done made me, sloppy drunk

These are the matters that rang through for Mahal, as well as for the Stones who had come to know love, the blues, and drunkenness in their day, too. Performing it on his 1967 solo debut and at the Stones’ Rock and Roll Circus in 1968, Taj likely pointed the way for the Rolling Stones’ own riffing around the lines,

Gimme little drink from your loving cup
Just one drink, and I’ll fall down drunk

That rhythmic guitar pattern which first shows up for the Stones on 1971’s “Can’t You Hear Me Knocking”, and again in ‘72 for “Loving Cup”, is part of what we recognize as the gizmo that runs the Rolling Stones, part of the funky and loose apparatus that makes them roll. So when Taj sings “my main man, catch you here” around Jesse Ed’s riff, you can almost fill in “Can’t you hear me knockin’ (at your window)” and that’s that. Or not. Dig further and there’s no denying the influence of Mahal’s previous running mate and Stones’ friend Ry Cooder, who brought his style to Let It Bleed as well as to Jagger’s solo performance in the film Performance (particularly to its dance scene set to the tune of “Poor White Hound Dog”, a kind of twist on “Memo From Turner”). I know that was a lot of information in a long sentence, but we’re coming to a close here…

With all that weight to “Can’t You Hear Me Knocking” and “Loving Cup”, in the end they were songs that were left pretty much ignored by the Stones themselves in the live arena for 30 years ‘til they were unearthed for the 40 Licks Tour in 2002. Neither song went down particularly well, and the band had to be coaxed into bringing them out for an airing. As for “Loving Cup”: “Lo and behold, we went out and started the song and they all started applauding,” recollects Jagger in According to the Rolling Stones. “Which just proves how over time, some of these songs acquire a certain existence, or value, that they never had when they first came out. People will say what a wonderful song that was when it was virtually ignored at the time it was released.”

“Loving Cup” worked its magic on celluloid again in the Scorsese/Stones collab Shine a Light; when sharing a mic with Mick, Jack White seemed very pleased to be playing the ploughman in the valley to Jagger’s man on the mountain. This year, Phish, in that way Phish does when they take on a covers project, went 3D and got the job done (with Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings in tow). Holy mackerel. The Black Crowes have been known to turn in a respectable “Loving Cup”, too. (Hello, Glimmer Twins, Goodbye, Mr. Crowe’s Garden.)

Today, when I say “Leaving Trunk” hopefully you say the Black Keys and Derek Trucks, the rightful revivalists of the down-home sound that combines real blues with rock ‘n’ soul. All right, all right, I’ll concede there’s something irresistible about all this “Leaving Trunk”/”Loving Cup” stuff, especially to musicians and apparently to our friend at the New York Times, Mr. Ratliff. But while “Loving Cup” holds a particular place in the Stones canon, the claim that the alternate take should earn its namesake trophy for best thing they’ve ever done is one about which I’m still not so sure, though I liked the reminder of “Dear Mr. Fantasy” hidden inside the alternate version a few times (first instance at 0:28-29). Beyond that, how about you love drunks and Stones punks decide on this one?



ROCKMAN

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Amused ()
Date: June 23, 2010 12:01

wonderful article! thanks!

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: bolexman ()
Date: June 23, 2010 12:03

This is an interesting article, and greta to hear Jesse Ed Davis mentioned.

I have always loved the album by Taj Mahal called "The Natch'l Blues". Brilliant brilliant album, with incredibly tasty guitar playing by Jesse Ed Davis. The album was released 1968 or 1969.

(it also has the studio version of "Ain't That A Lotta Love", the song they play on The Stones Rock'n'roll Circus)

And in a book of photos by Michael Cooper there are shots of The Stones in 1969 watching the Taj Mahal band play a gig in LA, and some photos of Taj playing acoustic guitar in a kitchen with Mick and others. I've always loved Taj's voice and his style, and I have always loved that tasty rhythm guitar sound of Jesse Ed Davis.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Amused ()
Date: June 23, 2010 12:43

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bolexman
This is an interesting article, and greta to hear Jesse Ed Davis mentioned.

I have always loved the album by Taj Mahal called "The Natch'l Blues". Brilliant brilliant album, with incredibly tasty guitar playing by Jesse Ed Davis. The album was released 1968 or 1969.

(it also has the studio version of "Ain't That A Lotta Love", the song they play on The Stones Rock'n'roll Circus)

And in a book of photos by Michael Cooper there are shots of The Stones in 1969 watching the Taj Mahal band play a gig in LA, and some photos of Taj playing acoustic guitar in a kitchen with Mick and others. I've always loved Taj's voice and his style, and I have always loved that tasty rhythm guitar sound of Jesse Ed Davis.

funny I started the day listening to the Natch'l Blues today. smiling smiley
his eponymous album from the same year, 1968, is much, much better, but this one's okay too...

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: bolexman ()
Date: June 23, 2010 12:49

Ah, I've never heard his 1st album... But I know it has a pcture of Taj sitting outside a house, with birds yes?

I have read that it has a very great tune on it called "Walking Blues".

I'll try and find a copy of it, your recommendation has made me curious. Thanks!
I love Side A of "Natch'l Blues". Love the sound of Taj's steel acoustic together with Jesse Ed's electric guitar. The songwriting on Side A kills too! "The Cuckoo" and "She Caught The Katy", so good.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Amused ()
Date: June 23, 2010 13:14

[allmusic.com] - read about it here.
it's the album that made Duane Allman play slide - and it should speak for itself.

you'll absolutely fall in love with this!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-23 13:14 by Amused.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: bolexman ()
Date: June 23, 2010 13:24

I have an original pressing of "The Natch'l Blues" from '68 and I love it.
This weekend I am going to buy a copy of Taj's 1st album, the LP you have highlighted in this thread. Come hell or high water! smiling smiley



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-01-16 15:10 by bolexman.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: June 23, 2010 15:45

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Amused
[allmusic.com] - read about it here.
it's the album that made Duane Allman play slide - and it should speak for itself.

you'll absolutely fall in love with this!
you wanna here duane allman playing slide get allman brothers live at the fillmore which i am pretty sure was recorded in 1969 way before loving cup came out.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Amused ()
Date: June 23, 2010 17:11

> you wanna here duane allman playing slide get allman brothers

oh, really? :-)
I'm familiar with every note on At Fillmore East, it was recorded in March 1971.

this & Ya-Ya's are the best live albums ever.
I'm only sorry there's no "Dreams" on any of the Fillmore sets I've got...

get 20-minute-long slide tour de force, 20-minute-long "Dreams" from SUNY at the Stonybrook, mrrrr, this is hot.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: June 23, 2010 17:21

Great link on the Black Crowes - it's not Loving Cup but from back before they made it.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: bolexman ()
Date: January 16, 2011 15:11

Hey Amused, I saw this gem of a video clip today and I reckon you'd like it. Rare and fantatsic stuff from Taj Mahal and Jesse Ed Davis-




Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: stones78 ()
Date: January 16, 2011 17:22




Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: January 17, 2011 06:51

Awesome outtake from Rock and Roll Circus! Love this song, my favorite from Taj's first album...

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: January 17, 2011 09:06

Another Jesse Ed Davis connection is that he joined Faces for their final tour. he and Ronnie made a great guitar team.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 17, 2011 09:35

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71Tele
Another Jesse Ed Davis connection is that he joined Faces for their final tour. he and Ronnie made a great guitar team.

And little known fact...Jesse Ed Davies joined the Stones for the encore of Sympathy in LA, July 9 or 12 1975. He's not audible on the recording (at least I can't hear him), but there's at least two pics of the event.

Mathijs

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: January 17, 2011 11:23

Yeah Jessie Ed Davis was great! He was a close friend with Lennon and plays on several of his albums. Also a George connection. Great story of him playing with Taj Mahal for the first times in years and Fogerty and Harrison were in the audience and got up on stage and jammed. That would have been really special.

On a Fringe note, Jessie was convinced that the government assassinated Lennon.

Re: Origins of 'Loving Cup'
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: January 17, 2011 12:31

What a great article. Very well informed and scholorly journalism. That's what we like to read.



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