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Gangster-of-love
As far as I remember Mick said in an interview, that bass and drums on the bonus tracks are untouched.
So here we have 2 possible explications for the sound:
1. Don Was played the bass
2. During the original sessions anyone else played the bass part who isn't credited
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billwebster
I remember that in the original sessions, bass was played by whomever was around at the time of recording (Wyman, Richards, Taylor, Plummer).
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skipstone
If Don Was did indeed overdub bass and said it's Wyman he'd be very sloppy to say such a thing because Bill's memory seems to be very sharp and it would be very embarrassing for Was and Jagger if that is the case and would undermine the credibility of the integrity of 'unearthing' such tunes.
It makes more sense for Was to record with the Stones on new tracks, like he did with I'm Gonna Drive or whatever during the Voodoo sessions, not something that is from 1971.
That's just wrong.
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FoolToCry
maybe we can collect ALL the overdubs done for the bonustracks. (or is it written down in another thread?)
let´s start:
sophia loren/pass the wine
mick: harmonica, vocals, percussion
keith: lead guitar in the end of the song
...the brass - new or old?
plundered my soul
mick: vocals, acustic guitar
mick t. lead guitar
i ain´t signifying
mick: harmonica
following the river
mick: vocals, ?acustic guitar?
keith: ?acustic guitar?
...female vox new...
...charlie on drums or maybe jimmy miller?
dancing in the light
mick: vocals, guitar
so divine
mick: vocals (verses only??)
keith: guitar solo
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Turning To Gold
One has to wonder, if they opened up the original tape box from 1972 for this song/session, and it said "Jimmy M on drums" scrawled on it, no doubt that would open up a Pandora's Box of grieving widows and heirs demanding payment if the Stones acknowledged it was him.
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Turning To Gold
One has to wonder, if they opened up the original tape box from 1972 for this song/session, and it said "Jimmy M on drums" scrawled on it, no doubt that would open up a Pandora's Box of grieving widows and heirs demanding payment if the Stones acknowledged it was him.
is this true, that if someone like Jimmy Miller played on the original track, he or in this case his estate would be due royalties? I would have thought that this would be a session-player case, that they were only due whatever they were paid, if anything, at the time of the session. I don't think Clydie King gets royalties from Exile, for example. Anyway, Miller at least continues to earn royalties for his estate as the producer of the album.
I totally agree on the point about how contemporary mixing techniques might make an old "signature" sound unrecognizable, even if this wasn't Was's plan.
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punkfloyd
The drums on Plunder My Soul verses sound like a digitally sampled loop to my ears. I would bet money that Charlie is not the drummer.
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I have listened to the "new" Exile tracks a number of times now, and have noticed that the bass on the more "Jaggerized" songs like "Following The River" sounds much different in tone and even style than Bill's playing. Don Was is a bass player. Could they? Would they? It's not like they haven't wiped Bill before, as on some of the original Exile tracks. I've been listening to Bill for forty years, and this just sounds - different. Maybe some magic was worked with eq, and it was brought up more in the mix, but I am starting to wonder.
For the love of god, get over it already. What does it really matter, since the Stones are pretty much done for at this point. Just how much can you pick one album apart. It won't belong before you guys will be discussing how the disc labels were printed, and did they dare possibly use this kind of cheap ink instead of the much better other kind.
Give it a rest.
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crumbling_mice
I stated at the time of release that I didnt think any of these bonus tracks came from the exile era...and some sound positively recent in sound quality. We have, as they say in the smok, been mugged off!
"Soul Survivor", "Good Time Women", "Loving Cup" and "Title 5" are all from the Exile era or before. The only one that I think successfully a marries a real Exile outtake to the modern overdubs is PMS.
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Mathijs
There's no doubt in my mind that Title 5 is from the Between the Buttons sessions. The sound is that of a Vox Conqueror, Charlie's drumming in his typical early 60's way.
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skipstone
Title 5 was to be the B-side to What To Do from Aftermath. Come on fellas, don't you know that?
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69boogie
For the love of god, get over it already. ... Give it a rest.
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69boogie
For the love of god, get over it already. ... Give it a rest.
Is anyone out there being forced to read various comments and threads? Am I one of the lucky ones that does not have a gun to his head?
I check out the threads that interest me and I ignore the others. It's worked out pretty well. (This method also works with books, movies, blogs, other bands, various hobbies, choice of friends, etc.) Not everyone enjoys the same things ...
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69boogie
For the love of god, get over it already. ... Give it a rest.
Is anyone out there being forced to read various comments and threads? Am I one of the lucky ones that does not have a gun to his head?
I check out the threads that interest me and I ignore the others. It's worked out pretty well. (This method also works with books, movies, blogs, other bands, various hobbies, choice of friends, etc.) Not everyone enjoys the same things ...
69Boogie has a problem with my posts, for some reason. Indeed, he's the one who should get over it.
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69boogie
For the love of god, get over it already. ... Give it a rest.
Is anyone out there being forced to read various comments and threads? Am I one of the lucky ones that does not have a gun to his head?
I check out the threads that interest me and I ignore the others. It's worked out pretty well. (This method also works with books, movies, blogs, other bands, various hobbies, choice of friends, etc.) Not everyone enjoys the same things ...
69Boogie has a problem with my posts, for some reason. Indeed, he's the one who should get over it.
well, he's clearly a troll, so you can just ignore him--but what to do about someone like Father Ted, who appears to have taken him seriously? Poor sap...