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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

Maybe Andy Johns was talking about Taylor's playing, I mean he was a huge fan.

That would be cool if you made a compilation. Wood and Richards are both using those MXR pedals it sounds like, so sometimes they wash together. I like Taylor's part on Let it Bleed. Makes me wonder why they never did that during his tenure.

Yes indeed, he was talking about his playing, not about his behaviour or personality or whatever. Playing like a shining light thus.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

What Kleermaker said! Ernie just about ruins '81 for me.

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Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

I find Ernie Watts one of the only enjoyable aspects of this show.

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Are you guys sure about that? I thought I heard Jagger say "Thank you Bobby!" after one on the tunes. I did notice that some of the playing was not typical Bobby Keys style though, a bit too jazzy at times, less straightforward. The uploader of the YouTube video also mentions Bobby.

Were they both there?

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Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

I find Ernie Watts one of the only enjoyable aspects of this show.

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Are you guys sure about that? I thought I heard Jagger say "Thank you Bobby!" after one on the tunes. I did notice that some of the playing was not typical Bobby Keys style though, a bit too jazzy at times, less straightforward. The uploader of the YouTube video also mentions Bobby.

Were they both there?

peace

From Nico's site:

25th September - 19th December: THE ROLLING STONES. US Tour 1981.
Additional musicians: Ian McLagan (keyb, bvoc)/Lee Allen (sax; 1st - 4th
October)/Ernie Watts (sax; from 7th October onwards)/Bobby Keys (sax;
on Let It Bleed and Brown Sugar from 24th October onwards)

So it's the 1981 sax Tour!

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Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

I find Ernie Watts one of the only enjoyable aspects of this show.

Mathijs

Are you guys sure about that? I thought I heard Jagger say "Thank you Bobby!" after one on the tunes. I did notice that some of the playing was not typical Bobby Keys style though, a bit too jazzy at times, less straightforward. The uploader of the YouTube video also mentions Bobby.

Were they both there?

peace

both Ernie and Bobby are both their and i love Mick Taylor's playing on Kansas 81 to be a big highlight of the 1981 US TOUR .Mick Jagger said at one point in the show that it was a guitar onslaght .let it bleed was killer as was YCAGWYW and black limousine was killer also .this show to me is very special because of the three glimmer guitarist's.i dont care what anyone say's about this three glimmer guitars .it does not get any better for me and my ears .pur bliss ,and you can really pick out Mick Taylor's guitar due to his distinctive and VIRTUOSO VIBRATO!!!

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Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

I find Ernie Watts one of the only enjoyable aspects of this show.

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Are you guys sure about that? I thought I heard Jagger say "Thank you Bobby!" after one on the tunes. I did notice that some of the playing was not typical Bobby Keys style though, a bit too jazzy at times, less straightforward. The uploader of the YouTube video also mentions Bobby.

Were they both there?

peace

Bobby came in towards the end of the tour to play on BS and one other track.

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Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

I find Ernie Watts one of the only enjoyable aspects of this show.

Mathijs

Are you guys sure about that? I thought I heard Jagger say "Thank you Bobby!" after one on the tunes. I did notice that some of the playing was not typical Bobby Keys style though, a bit too jazzy at times, less straightforward. The uploader of the YouTube video also mentions Bobby.

Were they both there?

peace

Bobby came in towards the end of the tour to play on BS and one other track.

See my post up here: Posted by: kleermaker
Date: April 29, 2015 16:55

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

I went to the Tempe show. They brought Bobby out just for Brwon Sugar, which I thought was odd. I did not think Ernie Watts' playing fit the Stones at all, and found it really annoying.

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I went to the Tempe show. They brought Bobby out just for Brwon Sugar, which I thought was odd. I did not think Ernie Watts' playing fit the Stones at all, and found it really annoying.

Not for LIB, are you sure?

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

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I went to the Tempe show. They brought Bobby out just for Brwon Sugar, which I thought was odd. I did not think Ernie Watts' playing fit the Stones at all, and found it really annoying.

Not for LIB, are you sure?

I remember BS clearly. There could have been another one, but I don't recall. Was it in the movie?

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I went to the Tempe show. They brought Bobby out just for Brwon Sugar, which I thought was odd. I did not think Ernie Watts' playing fit the Stones at all, and found it really annoying.

Not for LIB, are you sure?

I remember BS clearly. There could have been another one, but I don't recall. Was it in the movie?

Bobby was brought back to play on those two songs for the rest of the tour - from October 7.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

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I'm working on the compilation now. He's very audible for minutes in the long ending jam on Imagination, for instance - where he plays a motif he invented on the spot.

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I went to the Tempe show. They brought Bobby out just for Brwon Sugar, which I thought was odd. I did not think Ernie Watts' playing fit the Stones at all, and found it really annoying.

Ernie alone is the reason why I consider Hampton to be my all time favourite Stonesconcert. Best YCAGWYW ever....no doubt....in my opinion. Mindblowing.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

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I'm working on the compilation now. He's very audible for minutes in the long ending jam on Imagination, for instance - where he plays a motif he invented on the spot.

I think you're right. My list was from top of my mind, I listened to the show more than a year ago last. It's quite an ugly show IMO.

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

Mathijs

I'm working on the compilation now. He's very audible for minutes in the long ending jam on Imagination, for instance - where he plays a motif he invented on the spot.

I think you're right. My list was from top of my mind, I listened to the show more than a year ago last. It's quite an ugly show IMO.

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That list was very accurate. And what he does on Imagination isn't anything special.

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Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

I find Ernie Watts one of the only enjoyable aspects of this show.

Mathijs

Are you guys sure about that? I thought I heard Jagger say "Thank you Bobby!" after one on the tunes. I did notice that some of the playing was not typical Bobby Keys style though, a bit too jazzy at times, less straightforward. The uploader of the YouTube video also mentions Bobby.

Were they both there?

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From Nico's site:

25th September - 19th December: THE ROLLING STONES. US Tour 1981.
Additional musicians: Ian McLagan (keyb, bvoc)/Lee Allen (sax; 1st - 4th
October)/Ernie Watts (sax; from 7th October onwards)/Bobby Keys (sax;
on Let It Bleed and Brown Sugar from 24th October onwards)

So it's the 1981 sax Tour!

Always wonder what happened with LEE Allen

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

Mathijs

I have to check this list, but I'm sure he plays slide on Honky Tonk Women. But "loud and clear" is nonsense. I'm also sure many will have a hard job hearing him on all those songs. Anyway, is this list complete Dandy, or do you agree that he's on HTW as well. No other songs? Did you recognize him by "making bum notes" too, just like your friend Mattijs says he did?

Still curious with what you're showing up!



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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

Mathijs

I have to check this list, but I'm sure he plays slide on Honky Tonk Women. But "loud and clear" is nonsense. I'm also sure many will have a hard job hearing him on all those songs. Anyway, is this list complete Dandy, or do you agree that he's on HTW as well. No other songs? Did you recognize him by "making bum notes" too, just like your friend Mattijs says he did?

Still curious with what you're showing up!

What do you like about this 1981 performance?

Here's an example of Mick Taylor adding something to the opening phrases of the song,
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What do you like about this 1981 performance?

The few things Taylor add and which are audible, as for instance in the intro of Time Is On My Side.

But apart from that: nothing. All 1981 and 1982 shows are ugly, as Mattijs rightly remarked up here.

I heard it myself in Rotterdam, 1982 July 5, if I remember the date well. It was horrible but my wife was with and we had a nice long walk back home, which I still recall very well. I was living in Rotterdam-West in those days.

10 minutes, guys. Posting the compilation soon.

kleerie: Yep, Taylor plays slide on HTW, as well as on other songs he normally doesn't play it on...

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I'm not sure that less than sympathetic covers it - Glyn's story sounded flat-out made up.

Not his style, really. Not to speak badly of people, either. This story is strange. Where's the motivation for adding this in his book? A juicy story about Mick or Keith, perhaps, yeah, but to slag Taylor for cockyness and his playing?

Who wants to read that stuff?

But back to Taylor in 1981. I think he did fairly well on songs like Black Limousine and Time Is On My Side. Not so much on Beast Of Burden and Imagination.

I plan to make a compilation of his playing on this show, so the Taylorites won't have to suffer through 2,5 hours of Ronnie era Stones. How about that?

If you are able to make Taylor audible, that would be nice. It was Taylor just jumping on stage, without any rehearsal before, and what is audible on HTW and YCAGWYW is just very good. The rest is barely audible, as I said. But he played little solos totally different from his solos during 69-73. Very improvising and creative.

But it will be a hell of a job to make Taylor audible. I don't think it's possible. Btw: It's not Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts, playing horrible and much too much sax all over the show, ruining it even for Wood-era lovers. That sax is the most dominant instrument, even though there were three guitars (well, two audible, actually).

That is not true. When I get the time, I'll prove it to you – without any EQ-ing.

I don't believe it before I've heard it, because you find Taylor already audible enough now, while it's hard to hear him properly, even for my Taylor trained ears. But to your taste he's probably even too loud when he's hardly audible.

You and your friend Mattijs obviously have the same taste in Stones music, both loving Ernie Watts. His playing annoys me beyond saying. That alone is the reason why I find the well known soundboard boot with Taylor from Kansas 1981 totally unlistenable. Besides I'm not a fan of the sax too, so it hurts my ears twice as hard, if not more. That constantly squeaking noise, making even Richards and Wood less audible than they should be. It seems like Ernie Watts and his nephew Charlie, a barking singer and a couple of guitar players, at random picked up from the streets of Kansas.

It's pretty kleer that you haven't listened properly to this, or are having problems distinguishing who's playing what.

When I find the time, I'll make a compilation.

Taylor is extremely low in the mix. Even you can't tell on which songs he's playing by pure listening. I certainly "listened properly to this", but I'm not the only one (irony) who find it hard to hear Taylor. While the style of the three guitarists involved is very different, i.e. the styles of Richards and Wood vs. Taylor's style.

Oh yes, I can tell. So could TheGreek.

Well, then name ALL the songs on which Taylor is playing during that show, just by listening or having listened to the bootleg.

Taylor can be heard loud and clear on Black Limousine, Time IOMS, Beast of Burden, Waiting on a Friend, Little T&A, slide on YCAGWY, and TD. He then dissapears from the mix until he returns clearly on Satisfaction. On Just My Imagination, Twenty Flight Rock, Going To A Go Go and Let Me Go you can hear him on rare occasions, mostly when his guitar is feeding back or making bum notes.

Mathijs

I have to check this list, but I'm sure he plays slide on Honky Tonk Women. But "loud and clear" is nonsense. I'm also sure many will have a hard job hearing him on all those songs. Anyway, is this list complete Dandy, or do you agree that he's on HTW as well. No other songs? Did you recognize him by "making bum notes" too, just like your friend Mattijs says he did?

Still curious with what you're showing up!

Lots of good notes, lots of bum notes and feedback problems, too.

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Lots of good notes, lots of bum notes and feedback problems, too.

I didn't realize he integrated to the Rolling Stones AD 1981 so well...

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Lots of good notes, lots of bum notes and feedback problems, too.

I didn't realize he integrated to the Rolling Stones AD 1981 so well...

- Doxa

LOL