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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

exactly my first time catching bob dylan was the christian phase ,with fred tackett on guitar (little feat).great show .

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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

Yep, plus a couple of the 'Slow Train' songs were actually debuted at the very end of the US tour.

I doint think he started going to the fellowship church until early 79, but the infamous incident where he was feeling down and someone threw him a cross happened at a show near the end of the 78 tour. He mentioned about how it inspired him when he was back there a year later.

Found it : Last time I was here in San Diego, I was here about a year ago (......) – wasn’t it a year ago? I don’t know but . . . I was coming from someplace and I was feeling real sick when I got through here. And on the day of the show, I don’t think it was in here, in this place -- I think it was in another place ... [audience: “Talk about Jesus!”] anyway, after, it was just about a year ago I think, after it was just, just about, towards the end of the show somebody out of the crowd – they knew I wasn’t feeling too well, I think they could sense that – and they threw a silver cross on the stage. Now, usually I don’t pick things up that are thrown on the front of the stage. Once in a while I do, but sometimes, most times I don’t. But, uh, I looked down at this cross and I said, “I got to pick that up.” I picked up that cross and I put it into my pocket. It was a silver cross, I think maybe about so high -- and I put it, brought it backstage and I brought it with me to the next town which was off in Arizona, Phoenix. Anyway, ah, when I got back there I was feeling even worse than I had felt when I was in San Diego, and I said, “Well, I really need something tonight,” and, I didn’t know what it was, I was using all kinds of things, and I said, “I need something tonight that I never really had before.” And I looked in my pocket and I had this cross that someone threw before when I was in San Diego. So if that person is here tonight I want to thank him for that cross. - [www.bjorner.com]



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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

Yep, plus a couple of the 'Slow Train' songs were actually debuted at the very end of the US tour.

I doint think he started going to the fellowship church until early 79, but the infamous incident where he was feeling down and someone threw him a cross happened at a show near the end of the 78 tour. He mentioned about how it inspired him when he was back there a year later.

Found it : Last time I was here in San Diego, I was here about a year ago (......) – wasn’t it a year ago? I don’t know but . . . I was coming from someplace and I was feeling real sick when I got through here. And on the day of the show, I don’t think it was in here, in this place -- I think it was in another place ... [audience: “Talk about Jesus!”] anyway, after, it was just about a year ago I think, after it was just, just about, towards the end of the show somebody out of the crowd – they knew I wasn’t feeling too well, I think they could sense that – and they threw a silver cross on the stage. Now, usually I don’t pick things up that are thrown on the front of the stage. Once in a while I do, but sometimes, most times I don’t. But, uh, I looked down at this cross and I said, “I got to pick that up.” I picked up that cross and I put it into my pocket. It was a silver cross, I think maybe about so high -- and I put it, brought it backstage and I brought it with me to the next town which was off in Arizona, Phoenix. Anyway, ah, when I got back there I was feeling even worse than I had felt when I was in San Diego, and I said, “Well, I really need something tonight,” and, I didn’t know what it was, I was using all kinds of things, and I said, “I need something tonight that I never really had before.” And I looked in my pocket and I had this cross that someone threw before when I was in San Diego. So if that person is here tonight I want to thank him for that cross. - [www.bjorner.com]

thanks for printing that !

MacPhisto thx a lot but I think I have this one (it's a classic show so I probaly got it first).

PS : thx to uber IORR member Erik Snow the June 8 torrent at HC is running again

Budokan is looked down upon in Dylan circles because it's a piss-poor representation of what the '78 tour became. Combine that with some of the instrumentation, the flute etc, a lot of Dylan fans put it at the bottom of Dylan's live releases. It was only intended originally for the Japanese market, which in all honesty I believe is where it should have stayed.
Gazza is about right I'd say, last night Paris is a superb gig (as are all the Paris shows), Nurnberg is worth checking out too imo. For the Stateside leg, my favourite show is Nashville 2nd Dec.
Toads was actually 4 sets by the way. imo it must have been awesome to have attended the live rehearsal (some songs performed more than once, Dylan mentions a couple of times that they are just working on the song endings tonight), but on disc it's just poking it's head above being tiresome.

I saw that tour in Baltimore and was not impressed except for the last number, Changing of the Guard--which he should start playing again someday. But then I was sitting in the very last row and with Dylan particularly the closer you are, the better the show. You can catch the nuance of his expression and understand what he is doing. Friends of mine saw the show in Buffalo and loved it. The Budokan lp was never one of my favs but I haven't heard it in years. Will have to go dig it out.

I did see two shows--DC and Phila--of Tour 74. Dylan's song arrangements were a lot to absorb. The highlights for me were Ballad of a Thin Man and Like a Rolling Stone, both of which sent chills up my back. These days I really like You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine.



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Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD. The best line about it is Rob Sheffield in the most recent Rolling Stone Record Guide who calls it "immaculately frightful". Don't get me wrong. I was in England in 1978 and that is the biggest impact I have ever observed of a tour on a nation. I think the European shows would have made a much better album. However of the 110 odd tapes from 1978 I have only four. It is the most poorly represented tour in my Dylan collection. The only good thing on Budokan is It's Alright Ma IMO. It sounds hollow to me. It made the Worst Rock 'n' Roll Records Of All Time. It deserves to be there.

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MacPhisto thx a lot but I think I have this one (it's a classic show so I probaly got it first).

PS : thx to uber IORR member Erik Snow the June 8 torrent at HC is running again

July 8th!

Great. I recommend 'The Man In Me', 'True love tends to forget' and 'Changing of the guards' from that show especially.

And if you can get the show from the 5th of July - there's a classic moment when the band starts playing 'Love Minus Zero', Bob sings the first couple of words and then switches to 'Its all over now baby blue' - and somehow pulls it off!

(the Stones did something similar at MSG in '98 where the band played 'When the whip comes down' and Mick sang 'Respectable' or vice versa)

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(the Stones did something similar at MSG in '98 where the band played 'When the whip comes down' and Mick sang 'Respectable' or vice versa)

charlie was actually playing "where the boys go" - the closest we'll likely ever get to a live version of that one....

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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

I would go back and listen but I can't stand the mix of that album! There is an album I would like to remix. The eq especially is just horrid. Really too bad because the songs are very good. Someone give me the separated tracks, please!

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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

I would go back and listen but I can't stand the mix of that album! There is an album I would like to remix. The eq especially is just horrid. Really too bad because the songs are very good. Someone give me the separated tracks, please!

have you heard the SACD mix? it was also remixed on a separate release a year or two before. much improved.....

the original mix never bothered me that much, though, frankly...not much into "production quality" for the most part

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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

I would go back and listen but I can't stand the mix of that album! There is an album I would like to remix. The eq especially is just horrid. Really too bad because the songs are very good. Someone give me the separated tracks, please!

have you heard the SACD mix? it was also remixed on a separate release a year or two before. much improved.....

the original mix never bothered me that much, though, frankly...not much into "production quality" for the most part

Did they really remix it? Or just remaster? I usually am not bothered by production either, but this record just sounded exceptional bad to me from the get-go. Then I read a few years ago that they kind of rushed the mix, with Dylan giving his usual ambiguous direction. Sounds like it.

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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

I would go back and listen but I can't stand the mix of that album! There is an album I would like to remix. The eq especially is just horrid. Really too bad because the songs are very good. Someone give me the separated tracks, please!

have you heard the SACD mix? it was also remixed on a separate release a year or two before. much improved.....

the original mix never bothered me that much, though, frankly...not much into "production quality" for the most part

Did they really remix it? Or just remaster? I usually am not bothered by production either, but this record just sounded exceptional bad to me from the get-go. Then I read a few years ago that they kind of rushed the mix, with Dylan giving his usual ambiguous direction. Sounds like it.

yes, it was not just remastered. sounds very different to my ears.

happpens to be my favorite dylan album in many ways (not his best by a longshot, though). probably the dylan album i've played the most over the years.



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yes, the 2003(?) reissue of Street Legal sounds vastly improved from the LP and previous CD issue.

I'm pretty into this album at the moment, but still some of the songs are on the weak side, "No Time to Think" in particular.

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yes, the 2003(?) reissue of Street Legal sounds vastly improved from the LP and previous CD issue.

I'm pretty into this album at the moment, but still some of the songs are on the weak side, "No Time to Think" in particular.

The lyrics to "Is Your Love In Vain" are pretty horrid, but there's some gems on it too. I don't mind "No Time To Think", and I love "Senor (Tales of Yankee Power)".

>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

You got that right. I shudder when I think of that ill-conceived pairing.

Yes, Dylan and the Dead is not necessarily a keeper. I could be completely making this up, but I once remember hearing that Dylan asked the Dead to become his permanent touring band, and Jerry balked at the idea?

As for the Budokan hatred -- I simply don't get it. Maybe I have a poor conception of what "going Vegas" means, but to me Budokan is strange, risky, and quirky. That's not Vegas. Vegas is Paul Anka (not that there's anything wrong with that -- he does a killer cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit, but I digress).

If you're a skeptic -- listen again. Sure, maybe Is your Love in Vain and Going Going Gone might be the "piss breaks" of the album, but the rest rocks.

And yes -- the '75 Rolling Thunder Revue tour is amazing as well. I'm not up on the Dylan boots, but I am going to take a look at the European tour stuff from '78. Thanks so much to Gazza, Nikolai, and Erik Snow for this.

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

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Yes, Dylan and the Dead is not necessarily a keeper. I could be completely making this up, but I once remember hearing that Dylan asked the Dead to become his permanent touring band, and Jerry balked at the idea?

You're almost there. Bob asked the Dead around early 89 if he could join them as a permanent member. The whole band were up for it, with one dissenter (I think it was Phl Lesh, although I stand to be corrected)

I'm with you 100% on the 'Vegas' thing. Bob took big chances musically on that tour (I mean 'Dont think Twice' as a reggae song? 'Its Alright Ma' as a hard rocker? 'I want you' as a wistful slowed down ballad? ). More so than on any other tour to that point since he'd first plugged in in 1965.



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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

'Dylan' has been deleted for, what, 15-18 years or so?

Bob's back catalogue is quite unique as its always pretty much been fully available - the only exceptions I can think of was when the two Island/Asylum albums (Planet Waves/Before The Flood) were deleted around 1980 (just after I'd bought them) and then were later reissued by Columbia.

'Dylan' (or to give it its CD name 'Dylan (A Fool such as I') presumably got deleted because its the only Dylan album that was conceived and released without his approval (for those unaware of it, it was a collection of 9 covers recorded during the sessions for Self Portrait and New Morning which was released by Columbia in 1973 to get back at him for 'defecting' to Asylum. Contrary to myth, its not simply a collection of 'Self Portrait' outtakes)

I had only owned it previously as a cassette and got the CD of it on e-bay about 6-7 years ago for about £45. I'd previously been outbid for it by people who were offering over £100 so I guess I did OK.

Its a dreadful record, to be honest, but it was the only Dylan CD I didnt own, so that gap just had to be filled.

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The arrangements were very radical and some critics were quite hostile. Dylan was sort of wearing a Vegas-y outfit with pants with a lightning bolt down the side. He had a great band including Steve Douglas on sax. The Street Legal stuff sounded much better live than the badly-mixed studio album. Good versions of songs like "Changing Of The Guard". The Christian phase came right after this.

ah, but if you were paying attention, this WAS the start of the christian phase....and, artistically, one of his greatest eras....

Yes, I know. He had the back-up singers and was already going to that church in L.A. I believe a couple of the guys in his band (Dave Mansfield?) might have introduced him to the church. But he wasn't singing the Christian material yet. I saw one of the legendary shows at the Warfield in S.F. in '79 where he did only religious tunes. It was an electric atmosphere. Never forget it.

many of the lyrics of street-legal foretell his conversion...

I would go back and listen but I can't stand the mix of that album! There is an album I would like to remix. The eq especially is just horrid. Really too bad because the songs are very good. Someone give me the separated tracks, please!

have you heard the SACD mix? it was also remixed on a separate release a year or two before. much improved.....

the original mix never bothered me that much, though, frankly...not much into "production quality" for the most part

Did they really remix it? Or just remaster? I usually am not bothered by production either, but this record just sounded exceptional bad to me from the get-go. Then I read a few years ago that they kind of rushed the mix, with Dylan giving his usual ambiguous direction. Sounds like it.

Street Legal was completely remixed. Wonderful job too. The original - whilst a great collection of songs - was a sonic travesty.

It can now be appreciated properly for the great album that it is. Plus the glorious 'Changing of the Guards' is about 40 seconds longer. And that can only be a great thing.

I can´t see that he was serious about joining Grateful Dead. According to his book he was very lost at the time and didn´t really know what to do. Just imagine Dylan as a regular band member...

I think your second sentence pretty much explains why he did it, svartmer.

And your third one is probably the logical reason why the Dead said no.

Ah the '78 Dylan tour - that brings back some memories. Queing up all night in Manchester outside some record shop to get tickets for one of the Earls Court Shows. I loved it all at the time despite the crappy acoustics of the venue but I agree the European shows were much better than the disappointing Japanese Budokan album. Blackbushe is great. Only wish he had come over to the Uk with the Rolling Thunder Revue because along with the edgy 1979 shows and 1966 of course that is my favourite Dylan period.

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

Dylan and the Dead rocks .the best of both worlds jerry and bob .oh by the way bob loved jerry and the dead love bob !!!!!!!!!

there were some highlights sprinkled in among the 6 shows they did together, but none of them made this disc....

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

Dylan and the Dead rocks .the best of both worlds jerry and bob .oh by the way bob loved jerry and the dead love bob !!!!!!!!!

The WORST of both worlds, IMO. A phase of Dylan's career I try to expunge from memory completely.

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

Dylan and the Dead rocks .the best of both worlds jerry and bob .oh by the way bob loved jerry and the dead love bob !!!!!!!!!

The WORST of both worlds, IMO. A phase of Dylan's career I try to expunge from memory completely.

like i tell everybody, it's a free country ,no one is holding a gun to your head ,and lastly life is full of choices .so get out there and enjoy life !

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

Dylan and the Dead rocks .the best of both worlds jerry and bob .oh by the way bob loved jerry and the dead love bob !!!!!!!!!

The WORST of both worlds, IMO. A phase of Dylan's career I try to expunge from memory completely.

like i tell everybody, it's a free country ,no one is holding a gun to your head ,and lastly life is full of choices .so get out there and enjoy life !

someone is holding a gun to my head at the moment; shows you what YOU know....

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>Bob Dylan At Budokan is horrible. It is the only Dylan album I don't have on CD.

You own DYLAN on CD? That's pretty valuable. As for BUDOKAN, I'll take it over DYLAN & THE DEAD any day of the week.

Dylan and the Dead rocks .the best of both worlds jerry and bob .oh by the way bob loved jerry and the dead love bob !!!!!!!!!

The WORST of both worlds, IMO. A phase of Dylan's career I try to expunge from memory completely.

like i tell everybody, it's a free country ,no one is holding a gun to your head ,and lastly life is full of choices .so get out there and enjoy life !

someone is holding a gun to my head at the moment; shows you what YOU know....

what you have to do then is get a bigger gun with more firepower